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The Match Noone Cares About. Arsenal v Fulham; Match Preview

By Michael Price
May 9, 2010
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A Reserve Battle?

 What happened if they had a match and noone came? Worse yet, what would happen if they held a match and noone cared? Well folks that is pretty much how this dandy is shaping up.  On one hand you have Arsenal – they don’t care because, well, they don’t – they stopped caring after their loss to Barcelona. Fulham don’t care because they have bigger fish to fry in the midweek and will field a weakened team today. Spurs the beneficiary of a potential Arsenal loss hve already come out and said they would not protest if Fulham do field a weakened side. They’re too busy making commemorative DVDs.

Sure, if Arsenal were to lose Spurs would move beyond the qualifier stage of the Champion’s League and Arsenal would be forced to play into the tournament again.But honestly, from all accounts Spurs are too hungover to care about that. They are too busy praising fat ‘Arry (did I ever mention I hate him). They could care less that they will likely get bounced by another European side.

As for Arsenal, they need a win just to show us they can win again. Since getting dumped out of the Champion’s League by Barcelona they’ve not mustered much of a challenge to anything. They had a 2 point lead against Wigan only to lose the match in the final 3 minutes. They had a point lead against Blackburn and lost. The only match they even looked good in was the Man City match. But again the 0-0 draw was indicative of their problems this season.

We will have plenty of time to disect this season after this week. But topline I think the injuries finally caught up with the team and while Arsene thought he had talented backups he really didn’t. Eduardo, Vela, Walcott, Denilson, Fabianksi and others have been a huge disapointment. They’ve all been a model of inconsistency, showing flashes of why they were signed and then not delivering on a game to game basis. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 of that lot are gone. But again, I would be surprised if none of them are gone.

Arsenal need a win today simply put. It’s at home. They’ve not been terribly good and frankly their is a lot of doubt about the movement of the club. A season that even with all the injuries and losses to Chelsea and United held so much promise now looks like any old season. Had Arsenal finished out the season strongly and still finished third, there would be grumbling but not at the level there is now. A strong finish to this injury laden season and people would’ve bought the we are improving story. Now it looks like we’re just where we are and have been for the past 5 seasons.

I don’t know what to make of this season. Nor of this match. It holds very little interest for me. I am more interested in what happens after the lights go down on the season. I believe a lot of movement will happen pre-world cup and then some just afterwards.  Besides Chamakh I believe there will be additional signings announced and some goings. But you know what I will get into that afte rhey close the curtain on this season.

How the Match Will Play Out:
Do we really care? Arsenal will have limited first teamers on the field and Fulham will fied a largely reserve squad ahead of their Europa Cup Final in the mid week. All in all, Arsenal’s reserves should be better than Fulham’s and they should close the season on a a winning note.

Players to Watch:
Arsenal: Any Goal Keeper not named Almunia or Fabianski. Do I really need to go into it?

Fulham: Roy Hodgson. Only because he got totoally screwed out of being named manager of the year. He got more out of his squad with less money than Fat ‘Arry got out of his Spurs squad.

Projected Starting XI:
Arsenal: Mannone, Sagna, Campbell, Silvestre, Clichy,  Eboue, Diaby, Nasri, Arshavin, Van Persie, Walcott

Fulham: Schwarzer, Koncesky, Hughes, Smalling, Pantsil, Davies, Baird, Dikgacoi, Risse, Okaka, Nevland

Injuries:
Arsenal:  Almunia (wrist), Clichy (ankle), Gibbs (ankle), Bendtner (groin), Denilson (groin), Djourou (knee), Song (knee), Fabregas (leg), Ramsey (leg), Gallas (calf), Vermaelen (calf), Rosicky (ankle)

Fulham: Duff (leg), A Johnson (knee), Zamora (achilles)

Recent Match Form:
Arsenal: LDLLW

Fulham: LWLDD

Last Meeting: (EPL)
Arsenal: 1

Fulham: 0

Match Officials:
Referee: Mike Jones

Assistant referees: Andy Newbold & Phil Sharp

Fourth official: Mick Russell

TV Scheduling:
US: None (will be shown live on Foxsoccer.tv)

UK: None

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YAMA Prediction:
Arsenal: 2

Fulham: 0

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  6. stag133 13 May, 2010 at 10:02 Log in to Reply

    silly season from today:

    Cesc OUT, wants to sign with Barca before the World Cup!

    Gallas OUT, wants 80,000/week, and his request is called “extravagant” by Arsenal.

    Yaya 90% sure he’s leaving Barcelona, and Arsenal want him.
    (maybe with Gallas leaving, Kolo will be back! LOL!)

    Wenger interested in Everton’s Arteta.

    Wenger focusing on improving Arsenal’s defense.

    ;)

    • nipuna 13 May, 2010 at 11:54 Log in to Reply

      Wenger’s idea of improving the defence is replacing Toure with Verma and now replacing Gallas with a new CB. It is not strengthening the team, because with one injury we are left depending on eternal injury freak Djourou and grandpa Campbell (who is good but nevertheless getting older everyday).

      • stag133 13 May, 2010 at 12:53 Log in to Reply

        I don’t agree.
        If you have 4 CB’s… you should be all set.

        VERMAELEN, GALLAS, DJOUROU and CAMPBELL

        That would be just fine, if Djourou starts the season healthy.

        If he doesn’t, or if Gallas doesn’t sign, then we need to add a CB.

        4 CB’s are needed. Having more than that, is luxury, as there is not enough playing time.
        Injuries will occur, but I wouldn’t expect a season ending injury every season.
        If you can’t count on Djourou, he needs to be released, and sign 2 CB’s, but having more than 4 makes no sense.

        • nipuna 13 May, 2010 at 13:18

          Is it?

          Last season, we started with Verma, Gallas, Syl and Sendy. Was that good enough for you? Wonder why Campbell was signed in Jan!

          IF Djourou stays healthy is a BIG IF. The same way we keep hoping RvP stays healthy. Djo is worse. Has he stayed healthy for four months straight?

        • nipuna 13 May, 2010 at 13:24

          Going by the same reasoning, we needed only 4 full backs last year but we had 5 – Sagna, Eboue, Clichy, Gibbs and Traore.

          We needed only 6 forwards in a 4-3-3 but we had RvP, Arsh, Bendy, Sicky, Theo, Nasri, Dudu and Vela. That is 8 and now we are adding Chamakh and Wilshere.

          We needed 6 CMs but had only 5 – Song, Deni, Diaby, Cesc and Ramsey – an average age of 22.

        • stag133 13 May, 2010 at 14:15

          How many players do you want in the squad?
          50??
          You are well aware of our financial restraints, so let’s talk realistic scenarios!

          And Senderos and Sylvestre should never be a part of ANY planned rotation at Arsenal anyway. Maybe for Hull or Crystal Palace.

  7. soccerfreak 13 May, 2010 at 08:12 Log in to Reply

    Seems like unfortunate news..
    next season John Dykes probably would not be presenting EPL related shows here in SE Asia –

    Below is from his blog on espnstar.com
    ( http://www.espnstar.com/opinion/columnists/column/item56239/)

    “I will not be writing a season preview for you, at least not here, this August, By then, I will have relocated to England to work on the Premier League’s new global TV channel. So, let’s sign off with a long-range forecast if you like. It’s going to be a great season. Trust me. I’m almost always right about these things.”

    For those of you who watch some other telecast, he is much better than the SKY people, is pretty balanced, and that hyped up fellow Richard Keys would pale in comparision to even his shadow.

  8. stag133 12 May, 2010 at 21:52 Log in to Reply

    GREAT RUN for FULHAM FC.
    They played like 16 European games, or something like that…
    and gave their fans a real fun ride.

    Now that their owner sold HARROD’S for like 2 BILLION GBP…
    he can be a real Sugar Daddy!
    Maybe Fulham will make a run at some players in the transfer
    market too!?!

    Competition is good. It’s good for the league and the sport.
    Arsenal can either do something to combat the teams coming
    up from below… and try to reign in the two top tier teams above…
    or
    Arsenal FC can continue to make lots and lots of money, pay down the
    debt on the stadium… and aim for 4th place in the league.

    The Choice is Yours… You can get with this… or you can get with that!

  9. Kiwi 12 May, 2010 at 18:23 Log in to Reply

    Kudos to Fulham, what a great run. Nice to see a composed understated guy like Roy Hodgson do so well. Someone needs to tell those A.Madrid fans not to get so excited, it’s not like they came 3rd in the EPL ;-)

    • sachin 12 May, 2010 at 19:04 Log in to Reply

      exactly. It is a meaningless cup after all, just like the Carling and F.A Cup. Pales in comparison to entry to the promised land of the CL group stages :) Although almost a decade ago, I did want Arsenal to win this meaningless trophy. Damn penalties. Although on their way to the 2000 final, Arsenal had an amazing run with some very good results, including a nice 5-1 home win over Depor. Feels like it was 3 decades ago. Morals and ethics are so much nicer than fake trophies.

      • Kiwi 12 May, 2010 at 20:17 Log in to Reply

        Notice how easy life becomes when you see things in line with the MoT? Acceptance…. no more striving…. breathe in… out…. in…. out

        • sachin 12 May, 2010 at 22:26

          It certainly gets rid of the pain but my problem is I can never have 100% acceptance. There are some days when I rebel and refuse to submit to MOT. Other days, resistance seems futile :) But every day the force of MOT grows stronger…or is the force against MOT getting stronger? I can no longer tell.

        • Kiwi 13 May, 2010 at 00:14

          A bit like a game of tug-o-war. Both sides pull, yet as one side gets the upper hand the intensity from the other team increases…. yet to no avail. The momentum is already too compelling.

  10. ChicagoGooner 12 May, 2010 at 18:17 Log in to Reply

    Too bad for the Cottagers… so close. Well, at least this further sours things for Real Madrid:

    Rival #1: On the verge of the La Liga title.

    Rival #2: A European trophy, and possibly the Copa del Rey.

    And for much less money.

  11. ChicagoGooner 12 May, 2010 at 18:08 Log in to Reply

    Damn – Forlan 116′

  12. nipuna 12 May, 2010 at 15:34 Log in to Reply

    Anybody on GDC for the Europa final?

    I’ll be watching and cheering Fulham.

    • ChicagoGooner 12 May, 2010 at 16:34 Log in to Reply

      i’ll watch the 2nd half.

  13. sachin 12 May, 2010 at 14:54 Log in to Reply

    yet another interesting column from Jonathan Wilson.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/may/12/the-question-important-possession

    Mourinho has introduced English football to the notion of “resting with the ball”, and ball retention in itself can be a way of wearing down an opponent, even if there is not a lead to be protected, but there is a danger that possession becomes an end in itself, rather than a means to opening space or running down the clock. There are times when sideways passing is simply a means of offloading responsibility, and there were spells last week when Barça’s passing, usually so incisive, seemed like passing for passing’s sake.

    As per the above words, there have been many times when Arsenal’s sideways passes amounted to nothing. In fact, some players look to make a sideway pass the first chance they get without seeing what else is around them.

    Arsenal were allowed to have plenty of possession in that Community Shield match against Chelsea where the fear of Drogba was first put into Senderos. Jose always did that on purpose and kept someone in front of his 4 defenders to break up anything that Arsenal did. It used to be frustrating from an Arsenal point of view but it worked for Chelsea. Although as Wilson points out, such giving away possession will not work against all teams and it does require a bit of fortune besides needing organized discipline. Greece in Euro 2004 showed what organization can do. Don’t have the stats on Greece but I don’t think they had much possession in 2004.

    Also interesting mention of Sacchi’s experiment in the end.

    What Inter showed last week, is that there are specific cases in which a radical disregard for possession can succeed. At Milan, Arrigo Sacchi got fed up of players moaning about his obsession with team shape, and so proved its worth with a simple drill. “I convinced [Ruud] Gullit and [Marco] Van Basten by telling them that five organised players would beat 10 disorganised ones,” he said. “And I proved it to them. I took five players: Giovanni Galli in goal, [Mauro] Tassotti, [Paolo] Maldini, [Alesandro] Costacurta and [Franco] Baresi. They had 10 players: Gullit, Van Basten, [Frank] Rijkaard, [Pietro Paolo] Virdis, [Alberigo] Evani, [Carlo] Ancelotti, [Angelo] Colombo, [Roberto] Donadoni, [Christian] Lantignotti and [Graziano] Mannari. They had 15 minutes to score against my five players, the only rule was that if we won possession or they lost the ball, they had to start over from 10 metres inside their own half. I did this all the time and they never scored. Not once.”

    • Fred 12 May, 2010 at 17:21 Log in to Reply

      “In fact, some players look to make a sideway pass the first chance they get without seeing what else is around them.”

      And by “some players” you mean Denilson. I dont know anybody else with his record.

      • stag133 12 May, 2010 at 18:09 Log in to Reply

        we have a LOT of players who pass the ball sideways… don’t kid yourself!

      • sachin 12 May, 2010 at 18:53 Log in to Reply

        he is a bright example but not the only one. Some others may not be found making these breathtaking sideway passes every game but it is a common sight, especially against a team that sits back and lets Arsenal’s back and forth go on harmlessly.

  14. DaAdminGooner 12 May, 2010 at 10:29 Log in to Reply

    Yeah yeah yeah. Sheesh you guys are restless. I will have a new post out some time this week. trying to clear the decks after a week away from the office.

    • HighburyterraceSteve 12 May, 2010 at 10:42 Log in to Reply

      Sorry, no problem, DAG…It’s only been a couple of days since the season ended and we should be content….(that we’ve been put out of our misery?)

      Maybe it’s because we’re coming off a comprehensive victory (which brings out the stinky hippies and their Kool-aid) that was completely unconvincing and absolutely no tonic for the weak-ass way we closed out the season…(which seems to inspire the D&G crowd).

      Of course, we hunger for your sober and balanced posts to get us going….It’s a sign of our love for you and the Yama….Take your time and Thanks Again!

      Scroll on….

  15. nipuna 12 May, 2010 at 09:54 Log in to Reply

    Saying that France are not in decline because Nasri, Benzema and Vieira did not make it to the team and England would be lucky to have them

    is similar to saying

    Arsenal are not in decline because talent like Eduardo, Rosicky and Bendtner won’t make it to the starting eleven and Aston Villa / Fulham would be lucky to have them.

    France are WC98 and Euro2000 champions and finalists in WC2006 but barely made it to WC2010. That is decline. Similar to Arsenal were champions and winners in 2002-04 but struggle to challenge for the title now.

    I like Diaby’s physique and athletic ability but that alone doesn’t take you far. Remember Denilson of Brazil (not our man) who was supposed to the best in the world. Last I heard he was playing in he Vietnamese league.

  16. Andez 12 May, 2010 at 01:16 Log in to Reply

    btw, do you think had Nasri being English, would Capello leave him out for the WC squad, and call up Theo, SWP the likes? And had Benzema being English, would Capello left him out to pick Heskey, Crouch the likes?

    does a national team who has the luxury to leave out Benzema, Nasri and Vieira the likes strike you as a nation in decline?

    • OziKenyan 12 May, 2010 at 03:51 Log in to Reply

      Spot on, but their on-field play has left a lot wanting. I don’t think they’re going to do too well. My money’s on Holland/Germany…

      Hey DAG, any chance of a WC thread?

      • Andez 12 May, 2010 at 04:03 Log in to Reply

        yes ozi, another problem is the manager. He has been with France for a long time now, I still don’t know what kind of style of football he’s trying to make his team to play.

        • OziKenyan 12 May, 2010 at 05:15

          Lol ye. The french team on the pitch seems to have zero idea of what they are trying to do. No chemistry between the players, and no real big names to rally around. Sure they left out the likes of Benzema and Nasri, but they don’t have Vieira/Zidane/Henry of old/Petit/Blanc etc. who were big personalities on the field.

        • HighburyterraceSteve 12 May, 2010 at 09:18

          I think DAG is holding out waiting for an announcement on Chamakh, but yeah, a new thread would be nice….(Season summary? World Cup?)

          Also, Ozi, I agree that a combination of the Dutch and German teams would be a pretty tempting bet….(but don’t they have to compete separately?)

          Finally, I wouldn’t be that surprised if France does alright at the WC (say better than England, for example). Two teams in the final eight of the CL is a great showing for Ligue 1 and neither of them even won the league! I wonder if Nasri has any regrets about leaving Marseille before their recent glory (and might it have helped him onto the National team? or did Marseille know something we didn’t?)

    • stag133 12 May, 2010 at 12:48 Log in to Reply

      Andez, France are hardly in DECLINE in regard to talent, but I’m not sure the have a manager that knows what he’s doing, and they have FAILED to compete well in recent years.
      You can’t count them out, but I don’t think they are a major threat to win.
      Stranger things have happened.

  17. nipuna 12 May, 2010 at 00:54 Log in to Reply

    Diaby makes it to the France squad. Hmm… shows how much the French have declined.

    Steve McClaren, fresh from winning the Dutch league, has been appointed coach of Wolfsburg.

    • Andez 12 May, 2010 at 01:10 Log in to Reply

      another good move from McClaren. Few English managers have the guts to go out there and further their knowledge of the game by managing abroad. Therefore from Phil Brown to big Sam to Iain Dowie to Tony Pulis.. can anyone tells the DIFFERENCE between their management style and the way their teams play?

      It looks very much the same.

      Roy Hodgson is one of those rare English managers who actually managed teams outside of England. And his Fulham team, despite with minimum resources, did actually go out there and try to play the game. And they are now in UEFA Cup final.

      the experience McClaren gained from managing in different leagues outside of England will serve him good in the future. Not to mention expanding his players network.

      Hangeland for instance, was one player who previously played for Hodgson.

      Diaby makes it to the France national team means France are in decline?

      I think only Arsenal fans do not rate a player like Diaby. He could have made it into a lot of top national teams. The man got skills, got a physical presence, you won’t find too many players like him in the world football today.

      • Fred 12 May, 2010 at 11:08 Log in to Reply

        Riggghht … there are not that many 6 footer oafs playing CM in world football these days … Diaby is the only one :-)

      • stag133 12 May, 2010 at 12:46 Log in to Reply

        Andez. Diaby is not a bad player, by any stretch of the imagination…
        however… he is not close to world-class or “incredible” as I’ve heard on this site!
        ;)
        He’s a good squad player who has not become what many thought he would.

  18. Andez 12 May, 2010 at 00:37 Log in to Reply

    I read some comments elsewhere giving sticks at Adams’ decision to manage an Azerbaijan side. With one suggested he should just call it quit before further damaging his reputation.

    Personally, I applause Tony’s decision. It takes a big man to throw away his pride and to start from zero again.

    I’m never convinced Tony has what it take to become a good manager. But I know he loves the game and he’s not a quitter. If he quits the game for good now just because two bad spells at management, I’d feel very disappointed and being let down. ‘Cos he’s one person I grow up looking up to. His sheer will to win, and determination to bounce back from every set back of his career had been a great inspiration of my life.

    Truly hope he will bounce back once again in his managerial career.

    • stag133 12 May, 2010 at 12:44 Log in to Reply

      I agree. What harm is there to managing a small team in a foreign land. Good and different experience to build on.

  19. Kiwi 12 May, 2010 at 00:34 Log in to Reply

    I hear what you’re saying Stag, and I agree the club wants agreeable supporters, however genuine apathy would quickly undermine the business model.

    You need a certain level of obsessive interest to sell the 60,000 premium priced seats at The Emirates, maintain a waiting list, sell significant quantities of merchandise and more generally generate the contagion that develops the Arsenal sporting brand globally. Apathetic support won’t achieve that to the level Arsenal FC need.

    In reality ‘The Club’ is actually a blend of actors involving the board and Wenger and of course the unknown quantity Gazidis. I think we can assume too easily that each party thinks the same. In my opinion that’s unlikely to be the case and in any event what drives them at a given time will ebb and flow.

    The current board is fractured and therefore is likely to settle for a default position of seeking stability with a risk-averse approach to change. So yes, a level of supporter-apathy in the short-term is probably ok for them as long as it doesn’t result in dwindling match-day attendance.

    Wenger on the other hand is driven by his desire to prove his strategy correct, determined that this approach of youth and a pure style(?) will succeed so that he can show 2 fingers to his detractors. His other motivation is to win the CL. That’s why he’s cool with 3rd or 4th. He knows 3rd or 4th provides the additional revenue the clubs ownership prizes and buys him time. It allows him to have another attempt at the CL and another year for his project to mature. So he personally is not in a great hurry, he believes that with every passing year as long as he keeps the majority of the squad together he is closer to this side achieving success. Supporter-apathy suits Wenger down-to-the-ground. He wants as much time as possbile with the least pressure placed on his callow squad. This is why he dumbs down everything including any sense of tangible expectation, it suits his purposes absolutely.

    Gazidis is the outlier. We know little about him. He seems to be convincing yet we don’t know enough to know if there is passion and drive behind the front. Time will tell. If he has substance he’ll be concerned that Arsenal FC does not get hijacked by Wenger’s own agenda. Gazidis will know that Arsenal FC can only ride for so long on past glories and that they need to restock the glory cabinet. He’ll know that the club’s various revenue streams and expanding global appeal relies on success now not from 5+ years ago. If he’s clever he will be a key foil in ensuring that Wenger’s own agenda fits Arsenal FC’s or that the board starts to pressure him and looks at alternatives.

    • HighburyterraceSteve 12 May, 2010 at 09:00 Log in to Reply

      This is very well put. Supposedly (according to today’s Arseblog) there’s 1.5 hours of Gazidis you can watch on the official site. (I’ll try to make the time sooner or later….)

      The EPL is the best league in the world right now because it has two super-quality teams (Chelsea and ManU) who can still get a match ANY weekend from any team in the league. The fact that we are no longer with them, I think, is because our real estate projects (a responsible path to club wealth) coincided with massive personal investment at Stamford bridge (another path) and a debt laden takeover at OT (and concurrent entrance into a realm of other fiscal irresponsibility). Wenger’s project may be bathed in ego, but compared to some (see Liverpool or Portsmouth) it at least won’t put the club into a nuclear sized financial crater.

      Chelsea should have been a juggernaut this season but lost their best player (Essien) and a close tie against their former heart and soul (Mourinho). United would’ve pipped them for the league (and gone farther in the CL) if they hadn’t also had fitness issues with their best player.

      Our best players were also out for huge chunks of the season but we can afford no excuses. Like I’ve said, I actually think we showed some better depth and (more or less, for a while) did pretty well against the other teams. Of course, we looked particularly unconvincing against clubs in the top echelon where we (eventually) strive to compete.

      Time and the attendant supporter apathy or patience (depending on your view) is key, but the obsessive element mentioned is also essential. Football is uniquely open, match to match, but it is tiresome to NEVER get the results we need against the big teams (as happened this season). Just staying in the title hunt and trying to back our way into a title, is just about the most boring way of pursuing glory and only appeals to those already obsessed.

      So, a few of these big matches going our way helps turn the tide. Competing and winning one of the Domestic cups wouldn’t hurt either as the global TV crowd gets inspired by the hard-core English support on display. The new squad rules SHOULD help us in these competitions next year, but good draws help just as much, as does better luck with injuries. Bottom line, it’s time for a trophy or some big victories against the real top teams or a taste of something a little more real than the pablum served up in recent years.

      I appreciate the wisdom and experience of the long-term supporters and that these are our desert times….I also appreciate that our board and management has the very biggest of long-terms goals and isn’t pandering to the shorter term needs of the “fans.”

      The desert is harsh and I don’t want to live there forever, but there is a stark beauty and this time of year (in the Northern Hemisphere) the wildflowers are quite lovely….

    • Mazza 12 May, 2010 at 10:47 Log in to Reply

      Arsenal have been clever with Gazidis. Have a different person say the same things and the desired result of more leeway is attained.

  20. stag133 11 May, 2010 at 23:25 Log in to Reply

    Very well written/said Kiwi… I agree whole-heartedly.

    This goes back to there not really being a leader, a star player(s),
    who you can count on when the shit hits the fan, and the other players admire and follow into battle.
    I agree that we have several talented players who are fragile.

    The supporters don’t owe the club a damned thing… they talk by
    paying for their tickets, buying shirts and scarves… they pay with their HARD EARNED CASH, and the TIME THEY INVEST into supporting the club.

    As long as the seats are full… I would think the CLUB likes apathy.
    The fans only are at a few games, so they might get a few boo-birds,
    but its not like it used to be where the fans were RABID, there every match, and let the players know it when the didn’t perform.
    I would say this is by the CLUB’S PLAN.
    They don’t have to answer to anybody…

    I LOVE IT, HE LOVES IT,
    WE LOVE YOUR APATHY
    WE CRUSH YOUR LAME SPIRIT
    WE LOVE YOUR APATHY
    (Skunk Anansie)

  21. Kiwi 11 May, 2010 at 21:59 Log in to Reply

    The concept of loyalty is an interesting one in sport. Supporters are by nature loyal – they are the givers the lifeblood of the club and normally stick with ‘their’ club all their lives. Conversely managers and players are normally not loyal in the real sense of the word and/yet derive an enormous financial benefit from the club and leave when it suits their individual circumstance.

    For this reason I find the lecturing of supporters on their behaviour by fellow supporters or by the manager to be decidely misdirected. It is the manager and players that owe a duty in every sense to ‘earn’ their excessive reward. The supporters do what they do – they follow the club’s progress.

    For this reason I feel little ‘automatic’ sentimentality towards the players. Sure I developed a huge admiration for the early squads under Wenger, yet that was in part a relic of the GG era (and the loyal hard-working players GG coached that AW inherited) and then it was a response to AW’s early teams application to the task and their success.

    This current squad however have done nothing other than achieve the bare minimum of CL qualification. They do not present as consistently hard-working nor exceptionaly talented. Several of the talented players who can impose themselves on games are physically fragile which reduces their contribution. So, all-in-all they do little to generate a sense of admiration from a supporter, they rely on the default level of “support me because I play for Arsenal”. For me that default level only lasts for so long and then results in a diminished sense of interest…. apathy. Simply, they don’t deserve enduring support. If they can’t perform to the level Arsenal FC is at they should be replaced – both manager and players.

  22. sachin 11 May, 2010 at 17:22 Log in to Reply

    Didn’t realize that Nasri was not in the world cup squad!!! I suppose he will get a break which is one less injury to worry about for Arsenal but shame to not see him there along with his 3 other Arsenal team-mates.

    Is Dunga serious about the world cup? If he is, then why is Denilson not there? :)

    If the Dutch can keep Sneijder, Robben and Van Persie fit, they could provide for some slick moves and goals.

    • Kiwi 11 May, 2010 at 22:30 Log in to Reply

      France has a powerful set of players. That in itself is an interesting case study.

      Nasri has missed a large portion of the season due to a broken leg and since his return his performances have oscillated – some very good and some peripheral.

      IF Arsenal as a team had been successful he may have benefited vicariously. However the team’s ongoing lack of success and disjointed performances will colour the views of an international manager. This is where players are victims or beneficiaries of their team’s collective efforts. Diaby is lucky. Clichy ‘deserves’ a place as a normally competent player (albeit with a penchant for heart-in-mouth moments). IMO

      • sachin 12 May, 2010 at 02:30 Log in to Reply

        I thought his goal against Porto was a glimpse into what he can do. And given that the WC is only a few games and sometimes one moment of creativity can decide things, I thought it would be an asset having a player like Nasri around. That goal was what I had seen him do in his OM days but at Arsenal he has been used at various slots and he has not always stood out.

        I am not surprized that PV is not there and I did think that Henry would be left out too. Although that may still happen when the numbers are cut down.

        Benzema was once the future of France’s attack and had a huge price tag but the way things have gone at Madrid that I am not surprized at his omission. But has Djibril Cisse been doing that much better in the Greek league? No idea about that.

    • Kiwi 11 May, 2010 at 22:34 Log in to Reply

      Vieira missed too…. interesting comments by the French manager which seem spot on to me.

      “We have been following Pat for a while, hoping he could make it to the World Cup,” said Domenech “It’s a difficult moment. We tried, he did too. It’s tough but there comes a time when you need to make a decision.”

  23. nipuna 11 May, 2010 at 13:30 Log in to Reply

    If our super pampered babies cannot handle a few ironic cheers at home, how are they expected to handle real pressure situation like an away trip to cauldrons like OT, Anfied, Nou Camp, etc. ?

  24. nipuna 11 May, 2010 at 12:35 Log in to Reply

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/djourou-how-i-really-suffered-knee-injury

  25. joshuad 11 May, 2010 at 11:55 Log in to Reply

    Every since Vieira moved to Juventus, it seems as if Buffon has been somehow linked to Arsenal. I don’t remember how or why. It just always seemed to me that if he were to leave Juventus, he would leave Italy and come to Arsenal. I must have read an interview or something where he spoke highly of Arsenal or Arsene Wenger.

    • stag133 11 May, 2010 at 11:59 Log in to Reply

      If Buffon comes to Arsenal… does he know that the fans might BOO him if he plays like shit?

      I am not sure he wants to subject himself to that type of atmosphere.

      It is funny, because the Arsenal players – past and present… seem to think that the supporters are great. (maybe Ade doesn’t, but that’s because he gets booed now).

      • vibe4arsenal 11 May, 2010 at 12:24 Log in to Reply

        And it’s not as if anyone for Arsenal has ever gotten booed for absolutely no reason.

        How long did it take for people to lose patience with Eboue’s garbage? And, oh by the way, has he not played generally better this year since his tragic booing last year? And how many huge mistakes did Fabianski have to make before people, horror of horrors, ironically cheered his simple success?

        Booing professional athletes? Whatever the list of problems in big-time sports, that doesn’t make it.

        But if the bag boy drops the groceries, and you boo him, okay, c*nt.

        • OziKenyan 11 May, 2010 at 12:35

          Calm down man!

          My take on the whole booing thing:

          I reckon Arsenal fans are quite ‘loyal’ to their players and give them chance after chance. I think the majority would have to be driven to great lengths to boo them (even if they don’t particularly like them). That said, the fans do have a cracking point. I personally don’t think I would ever be able to bring myself to do it, but I can sometimes empathise with those that have done it.

          I think the progression to booing in most cases would first pass through ironic cheers and if in subsequent arsenal performances Fabianski continues to make howlers, I can see him getting booed. Unlike Eboue, in his case, I don’t think it would help. Nicky B is another who got ironically cheered earlier this season, he turned it around. I just think that different players would respond differently.

          That said though, spot on whoever said that this is top level sport and they should have thick enough skins to take it and fight through it. Hell, it might make em less likely to roll over for when the big boys come to town.

  26. OziKenyan 11 May, 2010 at 09:48 Log in to Reply

    A few links coming up about Buffon. Oh such a tease!!!! Brings up that feeling of gleeful optimism in me but then I think back to our past transfers and I know not to be disappointed as the chances of this happening are minute (plus not sure he’s worth 25 mill!!). But we can dream…

  27. Kiwi 11 May, 2010 at 02:07 Log in to Reply

    Andez, like you I’ve followed football for years and the Arsenal crowd, like most English crowds, are very tolerant of their players. Some foreign crowds can be merciless – so we need to keep a bit of perspective.

    From reading your posts I understand you’re a guy who feels very strongly about loyalty toward the club its manager and its players. That’s great and I’d never propose that you should change your outlook. However I’d draw the line at setting that up as a standard by which all supporters should be judged. Because quite simply there is no rational justification for doing so. Arsenal FC players are lavishly rewarded and under Wenger they are shielded to a rare degree from the normal expectations to perform that every professional at a top club is exposed to.

    This isn’t pre-school with little children that need gentle treatment this is the sharp end of professional sport, players receiving millions of pounds per year (funded by the supporters) no matter what their performance, and I would argue that crowd reaction is one of the few valid internal mechanisms by which these players get to sense if they are up to standard. Fabianski is poor – he shouldn’t be in the team. On an individual level that’s a tough message for the player to receive, yet that’s professional sport at the sharp end. Eboue got that message and managed to turn himself around. I wonder if he would have adapted if the crowd didn’t voice their displeasure?

    Wenger has placed this group of players under enormous pressure by refusing to reinforce the squad both nummerically and with quality (experience/robustness). His call. But he can’t then turn it around and ask for never-ending patience. No, for me, crowd reaction is a very necessary part of the accountability framework that exists in professional sport.

    • Andez 11 May, 2010 at 02:50 Log in to Reply

      Kiwi,

      basically I consider “loyalty” is the number 1 element in football.

      For without it, there’s no bond between fans and clubs. Players would jump ship at their will. No manager would stay in a same club for more than a couple of seasons (be it being sacked, or tempted away for a bigger club). And today this forum call youaremyarsenal, tomorrow it will be called youaremychelsea. Loyalty in football is like air to human who lives in the planet earth.

      Back to the argument above –

      bottom line is – what PURPOSE does it serve with all the jeers aiming at one player?

      Would the jeers make him play BETTER?

      And when the fans are in a football match, don’t they want the team to play BETTER? Don’t they want the goalkeeper to play better?

      Does all the jeers HELP the goalkeeper to play BETTER?

      • CaribKid 11 May, 2010 at 03:38 Log in to Reply

        Have to agree with Andez on this one. Denilson is my whipping boy, but I would never, ever boo him as long as he is playing for my team.

        If you boo your own player, you may be a fan, but you are definitely not a SUPPORTER. Booing your own players or managers are counter productive to winning, and in the end, whether we or fans or supporters we all want our team to win.

        People have a right to boo their own players, but that still makes them a cunt. Even cunts have rights.

        • vibe4arsenal 11 May, 2010 at 09:57

          Nah. The tradition goes back to Gladiator days. It’s part of how people express themselves when they are not being entertained. Or when they want to express disapproval. And it’s much nicer than, say, calling people ‘cunt’ when you disagree. (Which I’m guessing you would disapprove of, if shouted at a player.)

          It’s particularly laughable to ask what purpose it serves while typing on a message board. What purpose does this serve? It’s a chance to vent. It’s part of a communal experience. More so when you’ve actually spent money to attend, which most don’t do here, it’s your only vote.

          Hell, why cheer? Arsenal players are rarely booed, yet we don’t win every match? So does cheering make people play better? In fact, I’m pretty sure you guys have the cause and effect completely backwards. When the team plays well, people get naturally excited and cheer. Now get this…when the team plays poorly, THEN they boo.

          So argue with thousands of years or tradition. Hell, even be a bit of hypocrite about it. But people have been paying good money for the privilege of booing for a long-time. And they can’t hear, nor care, what anyone on here types about it.

          And the multi-millionaire big boy, entertainer athletes? They’ll be okay. Just like everyone else who gets a bad review now and then. Or maybe they just need a different line of work.

        • sachin 11 May, 2010 at 13:27

          I thought of the Gladiator example as well. Only the finest would have survived that boiling point of an arena. Compared to that the Emirates seems mighty tame. But hey..silencio..

      • stag133 11 May, 2010 at 11:56 Log in to Reply

        So, we should CHEER and CLAP no matter what happens on the pitch.
        We don’t want to upset the feelings of the player or manager?

        This is ENGLISH FOOTBALL we are talking about, right?
        Not Tee-Ball Little League where they don’t keep score.

      • sachin 11 May, 2010 at 13:44 Log in to Reply

        no you are right. Jeers would not make him play better. Although there are some players on this Arsenal team who won’t play better despite all the cheers they receive.

        damn it. Things were so much easier when Arsenal had competent players.

  28. Andez 11 May, 2010 at 01:26 Log in to Reply

    @sachin,

    bravery and confidence are two different things aren’t they?

    Fab was still brave. Despite dropping the ball early on and had to endure his own SUPPORTERS’ jeer all match long, he never shy away from going out to attack the crosses.

    A lesser player would have gone back to his shell and clue to the line.

    as far as i’m concerned, i don’t know if he will ever make it, but his attitude no-one can point finger at.

    Just imagine if you were in his shoe, how would you cope? when u drop a cross early on with everyone on your back, would you still dare to come out and attack the crosses?

    To be honest, I probably wouldn’t myself.

    • stag133 11 May, 2010 at 11:53 Log in to Reply

      just think, if you knocked the ball into your own net (Porto)… caused another goal with a keeper mix-up (Porto)… dropped a ball in the box to cost your team a goal (Wigan)…
      AND THE MANAGER STILL PLAYS YOU.
      What would you think? I’d think, I’m lucky to have a job here, AND… if I was another player, I’d think… wow, WINNING and PERFORMANCE aren’t really that important here at Arsenal. Cushy job.

    • sachin 11 May, 2010 at 13:23 Log in to Reply

      Barca and Madrid fans have booed their own when they felt a player’s performance was not up to the mark or if they were not happy with their team’s performance. So does that make them bad fans? They would argue that they are better fans as they are keeping the players and team in check.

      How many Arsenal players have been booed over the years? Eboue, Bendtner and Fab?Why have these 3 players been targeted? I am willing to beat if Jens or Seaman made the 3 mistakes that Fab did, they would not have been booed. Why?

      As for booing, during Shakespeare’s time, his early plays were booed. What did Shakespeare do? Did he crawl back into a cave and not write another play again?

      Many film directors have had their films booed at Cannes. Yet, no film critic dares call these Cannes audience as bad cinema goers. In fact, it is said that the Cannes audience is used to great cinema over the years, so they expect a certain standard. And sometimes, the Cannes audience is not booing at the film itself but the selection of the film, which they think is against past standards.

    • sachin 11 May, 2010 at 13:36 Log in to Reply

      If I was in shoe, I would use that as an incentive to improve and prove the crowd wrong. What did Eboue and Bendtner do after the crowd turned on them? Bendtner was clapped off despite missing chances. Why? The crowd have seen his effort and the fact that he is trying.

      I do think that bravery and confidence are related in a way. Some people show acts of bravery despite not being confident at all but I think the best goalies are those with a good degree of self confidence to begin with. And these self confident goalies will more likey bravely fling themselves into dangerous situations and won’t shy away from getting a boot to the head just to clear the ball.

      19 home games, 19 away games. If the Arsenal fans treat Fab with respect yet he is jeered at all 19 away games, then what will happen? Blackburn were not subtle in their attitude towards Fab. I felt bad for the guy. He should not have been in that position yet there he was helpless and bullied about. It was not pleasant to see. Rare to see things at the top level like this but he looked out of his depth.

  29. Andez 11 May, 2010 at 01:04 Log in to Reply

    As those who think jeering your own keeper is OKAY, well, let’s just say – by doing this, it doesn’t make the keeper look bad. It makes the fans looking bad.

    And if this is the way the fans SUPPORT their player when he’s going through a bad spell, make no mistake, all of our other players on the pitch would have learned the TRUTH of the way this club’s SUPPORTERS SUPPORTING their players as well.

    how we are going to expect any loyalty from our players?

    do we still have the right to call Ashley Cole “Cashley”?

    bottom line – when a player is on fire, he does not NEED support.

    everyone has his opinion, he can express it before or after the match on all those forum available on the net. But on the matchday, at HOME, it just so embrassing to see fans doing this to their own players. Especially when I saw when Fulham were 0-3 down, their fans were still cheering their team on.

    • armchairfan 11 May, 2010 at 01:28 Log in to Reply

      Out of curiosity, were you in the Stadium on Saturday?

      • Andez 11 May, 2010 at 02:46 Log in to Reply

        I’m not of course, as much as i wish to. I’m not living in UK.

        how many of us here could attend the Arsenal matches in a regular basis anyway. The Emriates fans do not know how lucky they are.

        Had i been there though, do you think I would join in the jeers?

      • Andez 11 May, 2010 at 03:25 Log in to Reply

        btw if we can’t make comment just because we were not in the game, most people here would have to shut up.

    • stag133 11 May, 2010 at 11:50 Log in to Reply

      Andez, why do you believe the fans (at the match or at home)… should be supporting or cheering for player(s) who are performing like shit?

      As a player YOU EARN your SUPPORT as you do YOUR PAYCHECK.

      If you went to a concert, the theater, the opera… and the performers weren’t good? Do you wildly applaud? You PAY CRAZY MONEY to see them ply their craft… if they aren’t up to it, they get stick.

      They are grown men. If they can’t handle boos, then perhaps they should take up gardening. They’re paid MILLIONS to play a game. They’ll live.

  30. Andez 11 May, 2010 at 00:43 Log in to Reply

    rumor that AW is interested in that Russian highly rated goalkeeper Akinfeev.

    I am not sure about this deal. As far as I’m concerned, the Premiership is an unique league, apart from being a great shot stopper, you need a tall goalkeeper.

    Fabianski is not that bad a keeper, but his biggest weakness is his lack of height.

    And we know in English football, there are far more high ball for the keepers to deal with than other major leagues.

    against teams like Stoke for example, apart from their long throws, our goalkeeper will most likely be crowded by many 6 footers Stoke players. If you are under six feet as a keeper, you will be in troubles.

    Real Madrid’s keeper Iker C for example, a great keeper alright, probably the best in the world. But I have my doubt if he would still be that great should one day he plays in the Premiership.

    Akinfeev stands at 1.83cm.

    • stag133 11 May, 2010 at 11:46 Log in to Reply

      Andez. Not sure what you are basing “Fabianski is not that bad”.
      We all saw him this season, and he was BAD. You can’t have him as your Number One… and / or Almunia.
      One of them has got to go, preferably BOTH.

  31. Andez 11 May, 2010 at 00:37 Log in to Reply

    Gotta take the hat off for Steve McClaren. From as far as I can recall, the Dutch league had always dominated by 3 clubs. Except on rare occasion like AZ bought their way to the title a couple years back (and ended up broke in the process), it was always a PSV, Ajax, Feyenoord 3 horses race.

    FC Twente had no history whatsoever, and by no mean can be counted as a big club. What big Mac achieved with them was remarkable.

    Another point is – lot of England national team managers at the past, after having a go as the national team coach, their careers went all down hill since. Taylor, King Kev, Hoddle. Fair to say their managerial careers were killed by their England job.

    The fact that big Mac bounced back (virtually following the same path as Bobby Robson, sacked after 1990 WC and won the title with PSV two years later) you gotta take the hat off for him.

  32. Kiwi 10 May, 2010 at 21:41 Log in to Reply

    Arsenal supporters are in the barren wilderness years. The club’s lost its mojo, Wenger’s decidely delusional and there is no one to challenge him at Arsenal FC. He sells the future. Off-field things are still sound, fine stadium, fine training ground, CL football, reducing debt, full-houses, yet the team itself is as callow and fragile as ever. The ‘shape and style’ of this forever emerging Mk III team is as nondescript as ever.

    Arsene like Moses won’t see the promised land.

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 22:07 Log in to Reply

      Moses also roamed around the wilderness for 40 years … after a glorious start – parting the red sea (Wenger equivalent: winning the double and the Invincible season).

      So we have a long while to wait folks! Joshua is still 34 transfer windows away.

  33. sachin 10 May, 2010 at 18:51 Log in to Reply

    I found this an interesting development:

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=784754&sec=england&cc=5901

    I think the whole idea of giving relegated clubs some extra payments is to soften the financial blow that relegation brings — this money will ensure that relegated clubs aren’t forced to sell all their big players & the relegated clubs can cope with the loss of the EPL revenue. Although, I think some clubs might use this as an incentive to spend an extra 10-20 million next season because they will reason they will get that money back eventually. Heck, even a headline today has Terry saying Chelsea must spend big. If the big clubs (minus Arsenal, ofcourse) are thinking of spending, what about the lower end table candidates? They might just spend a bit more freely now and put down this payment as an option to cover any losses that relegation might bring.

    I think the idea behind these payments was meant to save some clubs from financial meltdown but I wonder if it will drive some towards that faster.

    Also, will this ensure that relegated clubs can return faster to the EPL seeing they will have more money than the Championship clubs? Maybe the Championship clubs might take bigger gambles than the EPL ones only to find themselves in a bigger hole if they don’t get promoted.

    Ofcourse, none of this has any bearing on Arsenal. Arsenal don’t need to spend a dime to improve, nor will they :) Because like Gazidis said, spending money is like a drug habit. One minute Arsenal spends 3 million on a competent goal-keeper, then next minute they might be forced to spend another 2 million on an actual defender. Then there will be no money left to buy any promising stars for the 2020 season when surely Arsenal will dominate everyone.

    :)

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 20:28 Log in to Reply

      “One minute Arsenal spends 3 million on a competent goal-keeper, then next minute they might be forced to spend another 2 million on an actual defender……”

      Next we are on the streets smoking crack and begging for a proper winger on a free transfer … where will it end ??

      • sachin 10 May, 2010 at 22:20 Log in to Reply

        :)

        Forgot to mention..I am also going through periodic withdrawl symptoms, which consists of aching for the good football that was played more than a few years ago.

        Awful really. Things were boring in the GG era and I never got addicted to the 1-0 way of life. Along comes Wenger with his pure brand and I get hooked to his good football. And then for the last few years, we are sold the same pure brand message but turns out to be nothing but a mix of substandard junk along with some good stuff.

  34. HighburyterraceSteve 10 May, 2010 at 15:39 Log in to Reply

    Well, yesterday turned out OK. We didn’t get turned over (or challenged in the least) by Fulham’s Carling Cup team, and a few players got some nice run-outs and maybe built a little confidence or at least gave themselves a fond memory of their last match in an Arsenal kit.

    Unfortunately you could also hear the relentless banging in of goals across town and the ensuing celebrations. Chelsea were the best team in the league this season (and lost a close 2 legged tie to the CL champs…), yet a sense of “what might have been” lingers.

    Frankly, finishing 3rd in the league, well behind the top two and decently clear of the battle for 4th seems about right given my expectations for the team. On the plus side, we arrived at this spot despite injuries that border on the absurd. The downside is that we bowed out of all the cup competitions weakly and showed virtually zero ability to compete in matches against the “big” teams. Our abysmal run-in once we lost the final “mathmatical” shot at the league title (after drawing at Birmingham City) leaves a bitter taste and some serious questions about squad depth.

    Still, (and I know I’m in the minority) I have some serious faith for the future. The squad is young (and, generally, improving), we are committed to playing a certain type of football (far from beautiful, I’d argue, but still technically a step ahead) AND we have the management, youth system and financial resources to identify and fill the (obvious) gaps in the squad. For me (minority again) it’s a question of when the trophies start coming….

    That’s not to say there aren’t significant obstacles. (And these are the things that we’ll be discussing all summer….) First we must keep our best players. (Who this means, of course, is open to debate.) Next, we need true competition for places on the team: allowing young players (and new acquisitions) to earn their spots on the pitch–Pecking orders and sticking with players who can’t compete (due to our “investment” in them) will not fly.

    Finally, and I’m sure I’ll take some stick for this (But I am interested in other’s thoughts here)….I think we need better protection from the refs. This season, IMO, saw a real regression in English football, with more unpunished diving, more reckless tackling and generally more fouling and mayhem allowed. (Ask Aaron Ramsey….) It seems to me that English refs are obsessed with “keeping the game flowing” and things get out of hand quickly. A few of the better ones will make some calls early near the center circle, but still refrain from making the big decisions in the boxes and as the game moves on. Conversely, the CL matches I’ve seen seem to favor a “more continental” standard and have been called very tightly, leaving me unsurprised that the English teams did as poorly as they did. Likewise, I expect a tightly called World Cup and some serious problems for the English National team unless Capello gets them properly “adjusted.” Rather than going backwards and lamenting our “lack of hardness” or bemoaning the lack of red cards or winning “fair play” awards (josh’s link above), I think the league needs to move our direction….But that’s just me, and, as in all matters, WTF do I know?

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 16:47 Log in to Reply

      “the league needs to move our direction”

      LOOOOOL!!!

      Come on man! That is ridiculously naive. The concept that people should do what you want … and play how you want.

      Thats not how it works in real life.

      Your (and my) job wont get “easier” … we have to get tougher to handle it better.

      Its the same for footballers earning millions per year.

      PS: I assure you the Aaron Ramsey thing wont have happened in a team that had Vieira, Adams, Keown, Parlour, etc.

      Our obvious weakness invites those types of play and “tackles”.

      As the Joshuad article shows, we have to develop a DETERRENT. Not moaning after the fact like big french wussies.

      • HighburyterraceSteve 10 May, 2010 at 17:53 Log in to Reply

        “You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one”….

        Yeah, yeah, I know,….That guy got shot….

        You paint a beautiful picture of the world: Violent and with shitty jobs (which only get worse)….

        We need a tough, central defender, an enforcer….how about Ryan Shawcross? (If he’s on our team he can’t break our legs, except maybe in practice.) We can use the money we save by letting pouty Gallas walk (a big french wussie, but somehow Vieira falls outside the stereotype….)

        So….Arsenal need enforcers, more red cards and we need to break their legs before they break ours….show ’em who’s really the ‘ard nut….And the English refs are doing a fine, fine, job….

        Cool….Now I know….

        • Kiwi 10 May, 2010 at 19:45

          I think ref’s can get a bit more forensic in the way they judge fouls. Some tackling techniques need to be removed from the game. This is a specific topic for calm discussion and to work through the appropriate channels. Hopefully Arsenal/Arsene can help this happen.

          More generally, Fred has a legimate point. Champion teams take care of themselves. We need to find that element – it’s not advocating thuggery it’s deterrent – those in the US know a little bit about that. ;-).

          The fact we have to have this conversation again and again just confirms that we haven’t got the balance. ManU generally and Chelsea (this season) play a positive brand of football. Yet they don’t bleat. The fact we do is self incriminating. We do need to accept responsibility to design a team that can take care of itself.

        • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 20:23

          1) Yes the world is violent and filled with shitty jobs.

          Even in non-shitty jobs you still have to prove yourself everyday or you quickly find yourself unemployed. It is a very cut throat world out there.

          2) We dont need players who break legs. Our teams of the near past didnt use to break legs yet nobody messed with them.

          Chelsea and Man U dont break legs (despite several attempts by Terry), yet nobody messes with them.

          Look, if a player injures another clearly, ofcourse the referee will give a red card … after the fact. What we need to do is provide the DETERRENT such that we are not targeted in the first place.

          People always target those perceived as weak. It happens in ALL aspects of life … starting from elementary school bullies. We need to send it out that we are NOT weak.

          Its not rocket science steve. The world is not a hippie haven where everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya.

        • HighburyterraceSteve 10 May, 2010 at 21:37

          I actually agree quite a bit with what you (and Kiwi, and others) are saying, and I especially don’t like our manager whining about calls or the lack thereof. I also thought he had a fairly balanced response to the Ramsey incident.

          I can’t really comment on the former “deterrents” as that’s before my time (and the red cards we earned were not featured on the “Untouchables” DVD I saw.)

          It seems to me that we have some players who stand up pretty well for themselves: Cesc, Song, RVP, TV5 and even little Andrey. Others like Nasri and Eboue are pretty sneaky getting in little bits of rough play when they think no one is watching.

          The problem seems to be at GK and in the form of the “new” Vieira: Abou Diaby, (and maybe others like Walcott or Denilson) who really represents all that appears wrong with the current squad: obviously talented but indecisive, injury prone and without much apparent passion.

          I admit that I do try and insulate myself from the more brutish aspects of life (avoiding the shitty jobs, bullies, etc.) and I’m attracted to positive things, including non-cynical football. But I don’t really want to get into my personal views about what I like and don’t like.

          The real point I was trying to make is about English refereeing. Having watched a bit of Spanish, German and Italian football and a bit more CL football, it seems like a different game. Players dive (and roll and grab their faces or ankles) RELENTLESSLY and they get a lot of calls. The refs also give plenty of yellows when they are unconvinced and generally are not so determined to let play continue at all costs.

          But that’s just my observation. Fred, you’ve watched a lot more football than I have. Maybe it’s all the same and the teams that succeed in those other leagues do so because of their “deterrents,” like these two big guys from Barca…. http://www.cambio.com.co/deportescambio/866/IMAGEN/IMAGEN-7696516-2.jpg

          It seems to me that, while we might not quite have the balance right, we’re on the right side of the equation (while the Stokes and Blackburns maybe aren’t).

        • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 22:03

          That pic of Ibra and Pique looks incredibly gay LOL.

        • sachin 10 May, 2010 at 22:23

          that picture might explain why Ibra has not had his mind on football :) If his real interest is at the other end of the field.

          Also explains when Pique was moved as an attacker, he did pretty well.

        • OziKenyan 10 May, 2010 at 22:43

          LOL. Dude where did you get that pic??

    • stag133 10 May, 2010 at 23:45 Log in to Reply

      I have said for a while we need tougher physical players in the squad, not finesse midget smurfs across the board… (as have a FEW others).
      It doesn’t mean we need to resort to thuggery, but if you don’t stand up for yourself, or team-mates, you’ll get beat up.

      And the idea that the refs are responsible for our injuries / trouble winning, is LAUGHABLE.

      Diving should be stamped out. I agree. How long do you think Eboue would last if they were serious about stopping diving-cheating?

      He was still pulling the same flops and dives in the last game of the season. RIDICULOUS.

  35. joshuad 10 May, 2010 at 15:01 Log in to Reply

    Speaking of Boateng, I like Kevin as well. Just for S’s and G’s, who from the relegated teams wouldn’t you mind seeing Arsene sign? Besides Boateng, I’ve been toying with the idea of David James but haven’t been bold enough to say it until now. So, there it is.

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 16:38 Log in to Reply

      Why on earth would you want a 40 year old keeper?

      • joshuad 10 May, 2010 at 20:19 Log in to Reply

        Because look at who our current keepers are.

        Not saying we should actively seek out James. This is just in case Wenger can’t get “the player he wants” this summer.

        • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 21:57

          We could as well just get Jens Lehmann back.

          40 is just toooo old.

        • OziKenyan 10 May, 2010 at 22:30

          Yea I think too old. We can deffo do better. Can’t think of anyone I’d want… Now if West Ham had gotten relegated, I’d get Scott Parker (would still do). Lee Cattermole seems to be a player in the same vein. Probably not Arsenal glamour but they have those massive engines and can tackle and fight to the bitter end. We need that.

        • CaribKid 11 May, 2010 at 03:11

          James would be just fine, especially since everyone sees CZ as our next GK savior in the next 2 years.

  36. nipuna 10 May, 2010 at 14:13 Log in to Reply

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8672609.stm

    Reportedly one of Arsene’s targets.

    • joshuad 10 May, 2010 at 14:57 Log in to Reply

      Boateng’s a dynamite player that I’ve been upping since last summer. Boateng, Lee Cattermole, and, of course, Uzil were the three players in the U-21 tourney last summer that really impressed me enough to say I wanted to see them in an Arsenal kit. He’s going to the World Cup next month and he’ll probably start for Germany.

      What does this say for Micah Richards? Everyone wanted Wenger to pay 20 million for that kid a few years ago. Now, he’s about to be phased out for someone half the price. If Wenger were interested, now would be the time to buy him.

  37. CaribKid 10 May, 2010 at 13:23 Log in to Reply

    Chelsea deserved to win and my pre-season bet of £100 on the Blues will surely allow me to drown my Arsenal woes with some extravagantly expensive 30 year old Cognac.

    I saw the game at our local Atlanta pub and the Arsenal turnout was dismal. On the weekends we have a room reserved for us compliments of the owner, him being an arsenal fan, and we normally draw at least 70 fans. Yesterday could only muster about 15 Gunners, very few of whom were wearing the kit. This could well be a sign of things to come if Arsene continues to lead us down the straight and narrow path of obsolescence.

    I know they will many who say that those folks are fair weather fans at best, but it’s those fair weather fans who will make or break us financially in the future.

    • vibe4arsenal 10 May, 2010 at 13:35 Log in to Reply

      “but it’s those fair weather fans who will make or break us financially in the future.”

      Both Kiwi and I have made similar points. Counting sold out seats in the stadium, is short-sighted both literally and figuratively.

      But behind the indirect effect, I believe it will hit home, too. Since the Emirates opened, the hard-core have been priced out, to be replaced with more than a few fair weather fans. There’s plenty else to spend money on London. People will go where their action is, and an afternoon of sideways passing in the hopes of beating Rovers won’t cut it forever.

      • HighburyterraceSteve 10 May, 2010 at 14:41 Log in to Reply

        Gonna have to disagree with you guys….

        You can call them (us?) fair weather fans (or plastics) or just rich enough (middle class enough?) to have some choices, I’ll call them “discerning”….And they will fill the stadium (and have a great time) for Blackburn (6-2 I think that one ended, with a nice tribute for Thierry Henry….)

        I will agree that the hard-core HAVE been priced out and yet they (we?) will follow the team in the pubs and to away games (and on the interweb), cursing the manager/our lack of trophies/our balsa wood players, etc.

        The whole “good supporter/plastic” debate, I think, is a bit off base. Building a new stadium and selling the seats to “discerning” supporters means we will NOT be singing “You’ll Never Walk Alone” (or “The Wonder of You”–WTF?) scarves on proud display as the team leaves the field after its latest drubbing….

        Such displays ARE beautiful and moving, but they didn’t help the Scousers much this season. We left Highbury and moved to Le Grove….And financially AND on the pitch we’re WAY ahead of those guys singing at Anfield.

        Now, if we could just get on an even footing (and nose ahead) of those other two clubs….

        • vibe4arsenal 10 May, 2010 at 15:48

          Steve,

          It feels like two different conversations. CK’s making a point specifically about seeing less Arsenal support in his bar.

          I’m talking about wine and cheese corporate types, who buy the luxury boxes and look for something to entertain clients with. Those people follow a winner, not a jersey. In a tight economy, they’ll look elsewhere quickly.

          The whole plastics/whatever discussion is more of Andez thing. As I said above (and before) anybody who pays what folks do to go out there and be entertained, is entitled to boo Eboue and ironically cheer Fabianski. They may not be voting with their wallets yet, but those are nevertheless warning sounds for Wenger and the Board (should they care to listen).

          Blaming fan, any fans, for not being entertained…I don’t see Jon Favereau telling people to see Iron Man 2 because they spent as much as they felt they could on it and/or it’s better than a Chipmunks movie. He knows he entertains people or someone else directs Iron Man 3.

          So, like you, I don’t care how people want to be fans/supporters. I do know that Arsenal is not as entertaining these days, and that’s registering with more than a few people. If Arsene wants the cover of business decisions, at some point, he’ll have to acknowledge people won’t be entertained just because he says they should be.

        • HighburyterraceSteve 10 May, 2010 at 16:16

          Hey, isn’t conflating various thoughts/statements of others and flogging your own line (over and over) what AA/YAMA is all about? ;-)

          You might be right about the luxury boxes (and I think I read somewhere, maybe on the official site, a positive spin about how they’re mostly renewed or something).

          I really think Arsenal are very well positioned given that we aren’t heavily indebted nor reliant on the whims of bazillionaire, and our stadium is already built and generating all that money….See my post below on the perpetually bright future….And what corporate exec wouldn’t want to be popping the champagne when that day finally comes?…

          We’ve got it all: our (much maligned) consistency means that almost every match is on TV. Add to that the persistent myth of the attractive football we play….not to mention some of the best bloggers on the internet…

          I certainly don’t want to get on the “3rd is fine/profits over trophies” bandwagon, but the upside of “discipline in the face of the need to show ambition” seems to be the line we’re following….And we’re gonna win just as many trophies (this season) as Real Madrid….

        • vibe4arsenal 10 May, 2010 at 17:16

          “Hey, isn’t conflating various thoughts/statements of others and flogging your own line (over and over) what AA/YAMA is all about?”

          Oh, hell yeah. Just making sure we’re keeping track of who brought what. ;-)

          I certainly don’t want to get on the “3rd is fine/profits over trophies” bandwagon, but the upside of “discipline in the face of the need to show ambition” seems to be the line we’re following”

          No doubt. But asking fans to get behind a rallying cry of ‘financial prudence is the new number 1’…is just a little, ironically, rich.

          And, of course, don’t give a feck about Real Madrid, so, no comfort there, either.

  38. CaribKid 10 May, 2010 at 13:13 Log in to Reply

    Re Gallas: All of a sudden we start believing the gossip columns about him demanding 100K weekly. Whether it’s true or not should have no bearing on the situation. He is one of the few Arsenal players who is competitive, wants to win and leaves his all on the field. As with Vermaelen, Song and Cesc, he was flogged to death and ended up with non-contact injuries, then brought back too soon which ended their seasons.

    Gallas will probably leave if he gets an offer from another team which he thinks has a better chance to win something next season. Being in the twilight of his career, that sounds very reasonable to me. Hope he stays, but it could be another Flamini situation.

    • vibe4arsenal 10 May, 2010 at 13:22 Log in to Reply

      I trust you mean ‘Flamini situation’ very loosely. ;-)

      • CaribKid 11 May, 2010 at 03:05 Log in to Reply

        Very loosely indeed.

  39. stag133 10 May, 2010 at 12:15 Log in to Reply

    The reason Chelsea are Champions:
    (and deserve to be)

    Here is there record against last seasons Top 4:

    Chelsea 2-0 and 2-0 over Liverpool
    Chelsea 3-0 and 2-0 over Arsenal
    Chelsea 1-0 and 2-1 over ManU

    So thats 6 WINS 0 LOSSES
    12 GOALS FOR, and just ONE GOAL AGAINST

    When the games mattered most… they did the business,
    and did what was necessary to lift the trophy.

    ———–

    On Gallas, yes… I’d like him to stay, but
    NO WAY is… or SHOULD Wenger suddenly start catering to
    players in their 30’s… WHO GET HURT EVERY SEASON… demanding
    2 year contracts and pay raises.

    MoveOn(from Gallas).org !
    ;)

  40. joshuad 10 May, 2010 at 09:25 Log in to Reply

    Andez, I also noticed Lansbury was in the sqaud. He just came back from loan so it’s interesting that Wenger not only put him in the squad but played him. I didn’t see the game yet so I didn’t see him play but read an article last week saying Watford wanted him again next season. Seems like he’s been around forever but the kid is still only 19. With Ramsey out, I think this coming pre-season might be his chance. Let’s see if he can move ahead of Diaby or Denilson. We’ll see.

    Gallas is asking for a payraise and a two-year Arsenal contract at 32. Wow! It’s amazing that these smart guys keep allowing themselves to get pimped. About ten years ago, Alex Ferguson sold his best CB and it was apparent to everyone that he’d screwed up. Leeds knew Ferguson was desperate for Ferdinand and forced him to pay 32 million for his guy. That’s twice as much as they sold Stam for but he wasn’t twice the player. What a sucker.

    Arsene is following the same mold with Gallas. Gallas is pimping the club. If Gallas is still good enough, despite his age, then Wenger is very interested in maintaining the consistency that keeping him would provide. Also, Wenger may have learned his mistake from being so quick to jettison the older heads. Trust me, if we don’t have experience next to TV5, he will be exposed by clever playmakers time and again; especially in the Champions League. Anybody with a football brain can see that as plain as day. As for his fitness this year, we should have only lost him for three weeks. His injury was poorly managed by the club and that’s why we lost him for the rest of the season.

    If you guys have a minute, read this.

    http://clockenders.com/afc/?p=4442

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 10:16 Log in to Reply

      I agree about Gallas. We NEED the experience and THIS team can not afford to jettison players like him. Not now.

      I also agree about Vermalaen … he will be exposed if played beside another young, learning CB.

      Plus I dont trust Wenger to replace him adequately anyway.

      • seattle gooner 10 May, 2010 at 16:23 Log in to Reply

        Not sure I want Arsenal to pay that money to a guy who is guaranteed to miss at least 3 months every season.

  41. nipuna 10 May, 2010 at 07:06 Log in to Reply

    It is nice to see Arsene putting efforts to keep fans happy during the transfer window.

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/transfer-links/linked-toure-and-wright-phillips

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 10:11 Log in to Reply

      Toure and SWP are like Sebastian Frey … they will never play for Arsenal.

      So he aint actually “keeping us happy” … he is just deceiving us again … probably to sell season tickets.

      • sachin 10 May, 2010 at 19:11 Log in to Reply

        A master stroke from the Ministry of Truth.

        The old dangle the carrot trick. Once the tickets are sold…pull the rug and there’s…

        NOTHING.

  42. OziKenyan 10 May, 2010 at 05:34 Log in to Reply

    Congrats to Chelsea. They’ve played well and deserved it.

    Saw MOTD highlights (couldn’t find a stream for our game). Seemed like a friendly by the looks of it. Disappointed in Arshavin’s first goal though. I might get slated for saying this when it pretty much doesn’t make any difference to the grand scheme of things. But he slotted in from pretty much the byline (kudos for having the confidence and talent to do that) but RVP was standing wide open in the centre of the goal. We’ve seen this selfishness manifest itself plenty of times this season and while I do think that our passing needs to be balanced with our shooting a bit more, I wish he was a bit more of a team player.

    Anyway, like I said, quite a pointless observation. Looking forward to the WC and hopefully next season.

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 10:08 Log in to Reply

      What?? We need MORE SELFISH players!!!

      Messi, Rooney and ALL THE TOP players in the world are SELFISH BASTARDS! Great players are cold-blooded and cold-hearted … they want the goal, the glory and care less for tap-dancing in the penalty box. We need MORE of that rather than the COWARDLY Walcott attitude of ALWAYS squaring when in front of goal. The team really needs players who take responsibility … f&ck passing around in the box. Even Barcelona in full pomp dont pass around in the box … thats for pussies that dont win anything … oh wait …

      • seattle gooner 10 May, 2010 at 16:21 Log in to Reply

        I am all for the selfish player when the situation merits it, but like Ozi said, RvP was standing in the middle of the box, wide open screaming for the ball. He had the easier shot. Instead Andrei danced around and admittedly made a great shot, but when the team needs to goals to secure 3rd, I would rather have the right team play. I’m not talking about that perfect pass walk the ball into the net stuff, but giving the right player the best chance to shoot, and whatever else one might say about Robin, he is not afraid to shoot.

      • OziKenyan 10 May, 2010 at 22:06 Log in to Reply

        Yes I agree that we do need to balance our passing with a bit more shooting. But in this particular situation, the pass to RVP to convert is a much higher goal percentage play than taking the shot from that angle with defenders running back to the line. Not the first time he’s done it either. I’m all for shooting more (particularly outside the box in our case) but you have to be smart about it. And yes, Walcott needs to be more selfish.

  43. Andez 10 May, 2010 at 02:32 Log in to Reply

    I hope Henri Lansbury will be included in the first team squad for next season.

    He only came on for a few minutes. But decent touches, kept it simple, never lost the ball.

    We need some bite in the middle of the park. Lansbury will offer us an alternative in CM. Best of all, his style doesn’t seem like yet another “nice guy”. More like an old fashion English bulldog. No more nice guys. We need some steel and spirit. To hell with the fair play award. I’ll be very upset if we ever win that fair play award again.

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 10:20 Log in to Reply

      While he did look like he had bite, I seriously doubt you can judge a player based on that kind of game.

      I doubt he will get any playing time ahead of the Disaster Duo of Diaby/Denilson.

      Lets just go out and buy a 24-25 yr old CM/DM with bite and stop f&cking around.

  44. Andez 10 May, 2010 at 02:24 Log in to Reply

    The Emirates crowd were brilliant, greeted Fabianski with ironic cheer every time he touched the ball. That surely helped Fab’s confidence.

    If there’s a worst supporter award for the EPL, Arsenal fans would have won it by a mile. Support? what support?

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 10:03 Log in to Reply

      Ministry of Truth!!!!

      Out in full force … if you dont like the attitude of players in your team, “shut up”, dont complain, dont make a noise. The team is perfect! Buy your season ticket and shut up! You dont deserve to support a team that tries to win, just enjoy the “beautiful” football and did I say shut up yet… ok just shut up.

      Pesky fans, forking out thousands of pounds each year and bankrolling profits for the club….how dare they voice any sort of discontent.

      ——————-

      If Arsenal fans are bad, what will you say about Chelsea fans who regularly call for their manager’s head.

      Or Man U fans who want Ferguson gone because they didnt win the CL last season?

      Oh, Ministry of Truth spokesman, have you no shame? ;-)

    • vibe4arsenal 10 May, 2010 at 10:31 Log in to Reply

      Paying top prices to see a perennial third place team with terrible keepers. They can make whatever noises they want.

      I love how it’s a cold-blooded business when it’s time to support whatever decision the Manager makes, but when the fans express displeasure, sensitivity becomes the issue, and they are the problem.

      There’s a whole industry created for people who like to be crapped on. Glad to hear the Emirates faithful aren’t in that crowd.

      Wenger says he’s worried about what the supporters want. What he means is: like everything else, it needs to conform to his narrow world-view. When will the world wise up and behave the way he wants, already?

    • sachin 10 May, 2010 at 19:07 Log in to Reply

      Andez, didn’t you once say that Almunia is not brave enough to be Arsenal’s goalie? Well, if a goalie can’t handle a few jeers from his own fans, can this goalie handle the pressure of an entire booing Old Trafford crowd? Can this goalie withstand the abuse that other players give? Can this player be strong enough to not be bullied every time a corner comes in? Will encouraging weakness blindly result in brave-ness?

      All the fans good wishes will not transform the two worst goalies in the league to be shining heroes.

  45. Fred 10 May, 2010 at 01:43 Log in to Reply

    As for the Gallas extortion … well, I dont blame him.

    If I were in his shoes I would do the same thing. He made a blunder leaving Chelsea for Arsenal. By now, he could have forced his way as a full-time starter there and gotten hold of a few more medals. Instead he has been wasting away at the “winning is bad” club for four years winning jack-sh&t.

    Plus, if he stays at Arsenal for the next two years he is not going to win any thing … thereby wrapping up his career relatively unfulfilled. The extra 20k is meant to lessen the pain.

    20k extra for two years is 2 million. We cant buy a new CB for 2 million except its a real bargain and even then we have to pay sign-on fees in addition to the wages and transfer fees. So it would still be about 5 times cheaper to keep him. And he knows Wenger knows that. And he knows profit is all the club thinks of.

    Besides, if you are playing for a “winning is bad” team and that team decides to pay garbage, going-nowhere players like Denilson, Diaby and Walcott 60k each … why would you not ask for your own increase?

  46. Kiwi 10 May, 2010 at 00:24 Log in to Reply

    Congrats to Chelsea. Nice to see ManU not win.
    Say what you like about Chelsea, yet beware the truth…. they haven’t spent extravagantly for several years, they’ve had the courage to take the risk by rotating managers, and as far as I can see they’re well placed to bring in a few new young players to freshen up the squad of hardened professionals.

    Anyone coming in to this Chelsea side will learn VERY quickly the right attitude and what level is required. We used to be like that.

    I’m not professing any warmth toward that club at all, yet I’m big enough to acknowledge when a side does well. They went head-to-head all year with ManU and dispatched us. And all this in a season when they had plenty of injuries and off-field issues to contend with. Kudos.

    • stag133 10 May, 2010 at 00:54 Log in to Reply

      Agreed. Chelsea won when it mattered most, and deserves the title.
      It’s a two-team league with Chelsea and United.
      They have experienced and top class players, and that wins titles.
      If they splash the cash this off-season… they’ll probably try and get younger.
      But I prefer them winning to a 4th in a row for United.

      A healthy Essien would make them even stronger.

      • Kiwi 10 May, 2010 at 01:15 Log in to Reply

        Chelsea have a strong battle hardened squad. It’s true they’re ageing, yet overall the squad is in good shape. Their attitude toward their job is first-class. They have a pragmatic manager – we don’t. He will buy whoever he thinks necessary to maintain the momentum and address any gaps. Critically they aren’t aiming for 3rd and everyone knows that.

        ManU have more work to do in my opinion. Their squad has depth overall, yet the attack as a unit looks unconvincing. The thing is Ferguson is ruthless. He won’t care about names nor nationalities nor age he demands an on-field return. If it doesn’t come – bye bye. So I’m relatively sure he’ll move to address the lack.

        Us, well, you know, we have our values. And that includes the highest paid manager delivering the worst on-field results despite the whole thing being his design and despite having years to fix it and despite having missed every self-set milestone and now removing the last vestige of aspiration to win. Third is winning.

    • Fred 10 May, 2010 at 01:22 Log in to Reply

      I would have still preferred Man U to win that.

      Apart from Gary Neville I just dont hate any Man U players … but I can name at least five from Chelsea.

      Plus they are an upstart, “undeserving” club taking Arsenal’s spot as London’s top dog.

  47. DaAdminGooner 9 May, 2010 at 23:07 Log in to Reply

    Silvestre is NOT staying that much is 100% clear. No contract. No talk of a contract.

    Gallas, will likely get a contract. ut again I am not sur e a raise to £100K a week is validated.

    • Kiwi 10 May, 2010 at 00:15 Log in to Reply

      £100K per week is silly. You are right in pointing out how William Gallas in his prime suffered serious injuries, so why offer him an even bigger top-tier contract now that his body is in to the declining years?

      I agree with Wenger that players with degenerating bodies should be on reducing contracts. Sadly, Wenger’s approach to this has left him with little bargaining power. Hence I wonder if he really wants Gallas.

      He should have forced the issue in January – tabled a contract renewal. We knew everything we needed then. The Gallas/Vermaelen axis looked good in a Wengerish CB way. I repeat, Wenger might be happy for him to go.

      • stag133 10 May, 2010 at 00:51 Log in to Reply

        at 100K, I’d be happy for him to go to, if I were Arsene!
        Let him shoot his way out of town.

        I’d take Hangeland, who Arsene wanted previously, as his replacement.

        I am sure Arsene has another CB target(s) as well.

        I would agree that he is likely to decline physically, and we have Campbell as an experienced back-up.

  48. macmac123 9 May, 2010 at 21:42 Log in to Reply

    Campbell gets another year and —

    Wenger remains hopeful that William Gallas will sign a contract extension, but will sign at least one more central defender even if the France international does stay at the club, with Brede Hangeland, Jack Rodwell, Gary Cahill and Neven Subotic his primary targets.

    • ChicagoGooner 9 May, 2010 at 21:52 Log in to Reply

      Logically, that means he should sign 2 CB’s if he can’t round up Gallas. Logically.

      • stag133 10 May, 2010 at 00:48 Log in to Reply

        Not possible for him to sign 2 CBs…
        that would mean 3 signings if you consider Chamakh for free a signing.

        If he gets Hangeland, we’d be good with Vermaelen, Campbell, Djourou and Hangeland. What do we need another CB for?

  49. DaAdminGooner 9 May, 2010 at 21:26 Log in to Reply

    So I’ve just read that Arsenal have offered Gallas a 2-year deal. Good. But it looks like Gallas wants 2-years plus a raise to £100K a week.

    Gallas is good. He is steady but he is not worth £100K. Prudent finances or not, I wouldn’t pay him that much. Especially considering every March he gets hurt for the rest of the season

    • Kiwi 9 May, 2010 at 21:40 Log in to Reply

      I don’t get why Wenger let his contract rundown. This is what you now get – Gallas is in the driving seat – give him what he wants or he walks on a free.

      I can only conclude that Wenger is happy for him to go. Perhaps Wenger has new plans for the defence? What other reason could there be to be in the position where you have only one contracted starting CB on your books?

      Vermaelen: contracted
      Gallas: out-of-contract
      Silvestre: out-of-contract
      Campbell: out-of-contract

      Djourou: serious injury returnee (and never a regular)

      • sachin 9 May, 2010 at 22:30 Log in to Reply

        Wenger’s new plans for the defense…

        Sol, Gallas: out

        main CBs:
        Vermaelen, Djourou, Silvertre
        backups: Song, Denilson

        Silvestre will be offered a bumper new 3 year contract making him the second highest paid player after Cesc.

        Song will be backup if needed but the big change for next season will be the usage of Denilson as backup of Song at CB.

        given Wenger’s track record, the above could likely happen. The midfield will feature a change as well with Eboue being Song’s midfield backup.

        • Kiwi 10 May, 2010 at 00:19

          It would be classic Wenger indeed, to jettison the 2 players fans like and keep the one we don’t…. plus of course he will add an obscure nobody. ;-)

        • sachin 10 May, 2010 at 18:56

          yes it would be classic Wenger indeed. Which is why my expectations are very low :)

          I still have not ruled out Eboue as Arsenal’s #1 goal-keeper next season :) Once again, this is what Wenger has reduced me to — throwing out rationale thought and replacing with nonsensical ideas.

    • stag133 10 May, 2010 at 00:46 Log in to Reply

      Gallas wants 100K a year, based on what?
      I’d tell him to feck off for that amount.

      Give him a take it or leave it amount. He doesn’t deserve a raise.

      Go get a younger defender for a reasonable price.

      Sol will be back.

      You don’t break the pay scale for Gallas, if he wants 100K, what do you pay Vermaelen?

  50. Fred 9 May, 2010 at 21:11 Log in to Reply

    Why does Walcott keep trying to square the ball EVERY single time he is infront of goal? He has been doing it all season. Shirking responsibility. Typical for the entire team really.

    Funny how the team played incisively and expansively at the moment when it does not matter at all. Fast paced, overlapping runs, dinks, flat crosses, etc. When it really matters, they return to their usual nonsensical play. Typical.

  51. Kiwi 9 May, 2010 at 20:32 Log in to Reply

    Stag, not sure how long the ‘event’ approach will last without the vital ingredient. Mega-sport is about aspiring to win. Take that out and it’s reduced to an evening at the opera. Sport, like opera, is in the entertainment business but a particular genre. It’s the competitive side of sport that appeals to the watching audience, dilute that and the magic goes. So, when you stop aspiring to win you change the product – it won’t work as a sustainable approach imo.

    On the business side of things, selling out the stadium is critical and a key performance indicator. I’ve noticed that whilst we sell out almost all games there is usually a small portion that don’t show. That supports the theory that The Emirates audience are a different group to most other English clubs. Whilst the numbers 60,000 sellout and 40,000 waiting list sound compelling I’d be surprised if there are still 40,000 eager to buy season tickets. I think the swing impact given our more fickle ticket-buying support base is quite large. Hence, if the general mood at The Emirates grew grim I think the 40,000 (or whatever the current number is) would quickly evaporate. Remember, it costs nothing to put and keep your name on the waiting list.

    Lastly, if you interviewed the ‘crowd’ I think many would give you a message of disenchantment not KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING. WE LIKE IT.

    …. yet the board can and most probably will choose to interpret it as per what you say because it suits their purposes.

    So, more of the same. Yawn.

    • stag133 10 May, 2010 at 00:43 Log in to Reply

      London is a MASSIVE city, and there are a LOT of big businesses that can buy season tickets, give them to clients and staff.
      I am sure there is a big element of that going on as well.
      Regular people… CAN NOT AFFORD season tickets to the Arsenal.
      Not any more.
      We WIN ENOUGH, to keep the casual fans interested.
      The true fans, aren’t at all of the games.
      if you have a chance to buy 1/4 of a season’s worth of tickets, you do it. 10 games, people can afford, and still feel connected to the team.

      • Kiwi 10 May, 2010 at 01:03 Log in to Reply

        True, but….
        you won’t continue to get 60,000 plus develop a global brand (ala ManU and Barcelona) without trophies. It’s nonsensical.

        Anyway arguments aside, it’s just plain boring. You don’t follow a club to watch their debt reduce.

  52. Kiwi 9 May, 2010 at 19:45 Log in to Reply

    Well the season reached its anticlimatic end. Wenger’s comments have been duly tempered. The expectations of supporters are low, just where Wenger wants them. In Wenger-world CL qualification is the only prize worthy of pursuit next to the title. So job done for another season. The only problem is the simmering disenchantment from a growing group of supporters. They don’t buy his aspirations nor his strategy. This new era under Wenger is boring uninspiring and his rhetoric intellectually lacking. Wenger has lost his intensity to win and the team mirrors that fact. It’s always the future…. well, wake us up when the future is now.

    • stag133 9 May, 2010 at 20:05 Log in to Reply

      Kiwi. I agree somewhat, but the FANS… the 60,000 that show up every home match, and the 40,000 on a waiting list…
      they tell the Arsenal Football Club something very different.
      They are saying, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING. WE LIKE IT.
      Until the fans stop showing up in droves, on waiting lists to get in, there is no reason for the Club to do anything different.

      Long-time fans, season ticket holders for many years, no longer make up the crowd going to matches. They can’t afford it, so its a different crowd every match. Its an event. And that is perfect for the Club.

  53. joshuad 9 May, 2010 at 15:30 Log in to Reply

    Speaking of silly season, we’re linked with Sakho again. Like I said the other day, I think we need to make re-signing Gallas our main priority. I’d be content to go into the season with Gallas-Vermaelen-Djourou-Campbell. That’s two old heads to serve as mentors for the 2 young bucks.

    Here’s a rumor that I paid attention to. The reason being that his agent has never said anything like this before.

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_6143052,00.html

    • stag133 9 May, 2010 at 16:49 Log in to Reply

      Yeah, well… as much as I like Yaya, if Gallas didn’t get along with his brother, and Kolo said he was a major reason for him leaving Arsenal… I doubt Yaya would want to play with Gallas!

      I think its time to move on from Gallas, go younger and cheaper. He must make a real good wage at the club.

      A good 25 year old CB with Djorou, Vermaelen, and Campbell would be fine.
      Anyone available on a free?

      And, we’d need more than 25 Million and Yaya.
      Gotta make a BIG killing on Cesc, if he gets sold.

  54. stag133 9 May, 2010 at 15:09 Log in to Reply

    We won 4-0.
    Nice performance all around by the lads.
    Showing they could win when we needed it, to sew up
    3rd place.

    3rd place. Not a bad take, eh?
    All the nay-sayers had us pegged to possibly drop out of the
    Top 4, and we moved up to 3rd instead.

    The future is so bright, you have to wear shades.

    A shut-out for Flapianksi, that should cement him as the new No.1, or at least have him fighting with Almunia for the spot.

    Eboue was doing his usual thing… DIVING and FLOPPING like a fish.
    Nice job mate. Keep it up, you have an acting career no doubt.

    Stadium. Filled to capacity?
    It looked it, or at the very least, all the tickets were bought up.

    So, all in all… well done today and on the season.
    Arsenal Football Club, PLC, Inc. had a very good year. AGAIN.

    Looking forward to the World Cup, and Silly Season in full swing.
    Wild rumors of who’s going, who’s staying, and who’s coming in.

    Just don’t get too high or too low my friends…

  55. macmac123 9 May, 2010 at 13:58 Log in to Reply

    Chelsea storm it. Arsenal seal third place at a canter. And – joy of joys – Spurs bottle a 2-0 lead.

    If we don’t ship out our antique stop-gap defenders and buy three big nasty full-on grown-up players this summer, we will not get anyway.

  56. sachin 9 May, 2010 at 13:48 Log in to Reply

    Vela edges my prediction out of the way. Although him scoring makes my words about Carling Cup seem true. Theo missing in the first half with under no pressure sums him up. If he can’t put a chance away in such a relaxed atmosphere, then…oh what’s that. I should lay off the kid because he has such great potential and will be a star one day.

    But what a title winning performance from the side today. I am sure after today, Wenger will be convinced not to sign any more players. Wenger will point out and say the team is on the way up and improving. He will blame Van Persie’s injury as killing the title hopes because Robin was going to do a Messi this season. Fabianski will be Arsenal’s #1 next season and Wenger will sign Silvestre to a long term contract. The future is going to be very bright and Wenger loyalists will nod with every word spoken by the MOT.

  57. nipuna 9 May, 2010 at 12:42 Log in to Reply

    We did win a trophy today!

    The best pitch.

    Thanks Steve for letting us know.

  58. ChicagoGooner 9 May, 2010 at 12:15 Log in to Reply

    Go Stoke.

    • armchairfan 9 May, 2010 at 13:23 Log in to Reply

      Looks like Chelski seal the League.

      • stag133 9 May, 2010 at 16:51 Log in to Reply

        ummmm 8-0.
        I’d say they sealed it with a kiss.

        and they’ll go for the Double next weekend against Portsmouth.

        But, they did buy their success… so it doesn’t count for some fans!
        LOL

  59. nipuna 9 May, 2010 at 07:44 Log in to Reply

    The game is not showing in my part of the world, but even if it was, I wouldn’t watch it. I think it will be a 0-0 draw. In which case, we will be ahead of Spurs, but only on GD. Wow!

    What progress we made. In 2006, when we made it to 4th place on the last day, we were still ahead by one point and we had just sold Vieira and we at least had a CL final (with a fantastic run) to show for.

    What do we have to show for this season? Not even the CL and FA Cup semi-finals of last year. Just an illusion of a title fight.

    • vibe4arsenal 9 May, 2010 at 12:01 Log in to Reply

      Silly man. You sound like a football fan who cares about winning, and thinks that AFC should be contending for something.

      You’re just going through the 5 stages of grieving your once Champion football team. Do yourself a favor and skip denial, anger bargaining, depression and go straight to acceptance (TM, stagg).

      ;-)

      • armchairfan 9 May, 2010 at 12:06 Log in to Reply

        Will the trophy for Profit League ™ Champion be handed out today?
        I guess that a question for Stagg …

        Anyway, am out for today’s match (not that I’m too excited anyway).

        Happy Summer to everyone.

        • stag133 9 May, 2010 at 16:52

          No.
          They give that trophy out in a secret ceremony.

          Usually the board bow down to Arsene and thank him for another BIG season of PROFITS.
          ;)

      • nipuna 9 May, 2010 at 12:23 Log in to Reply

        Very soon, I’ll be heading to indifference.

        • armchairfan 9 May, 2010 at 13:25

          Welcome to Indifference Club. I’ve been member since 2008 ;)

        • nipuna 9 May, 2010 at 14:19

          Like DAG said, TV5 was the only highlight of our season.

          The 6-1 win at Everton was the best game. Sadly, it was all downhill from then onwards. :(

  60. OziKenyan 9 May, 2010 at 06:04 Log in to Reply

    I care!!! And I will be disappointed if the players don’t (again…) I’ll be watching our game over the title deciders…

  61. sachin 9 May, 2010 at 04:47 Log in to Reply

    I hardly make predictions but I can’t jinx this team anymore. So here goes…

    Arsenal to win 3-0 in a game that will look and feel like an early round Carling Cup game. The Fulham players will be busy having tea in their own half and Arsenal will be busy setting a new record for the most passes (forward and sideways) made in a game.

    And after the win, Wenger will praise the mental strength of his players and hail the team’s unity. He will emphasize this squad is ready to win the title next season and will urge the players to stay at Arsenal and be ready to bask in the glorious future that lays ahead for them. Also, Wenger will claim that he may sign 1 or 2 world class players but since all the world class players are playing at Arsenal, there is no one else left to sign…except a brilliant 12 year old striker from Bolivia for 5 million pounds. Also there will be raises given to Theo & Fabianski to boost their morale and reward them for all the hard work they have done this season.

    Gotta love progress!!!

    oh and interestingly, this game is being shown live on Canadian cable tv, because the other two networks are carrying the title deciding ties.

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