Arsenal Opinon: Bad Tackles, Have We Reached A Tipping Point.
Abou Diaby, Eduardo Da Silva, and Aaron Ramsey. Ask any Arsenal fan and its pretty easy for them to tell you what they all have in common. Throw in an attempt on Emmanuel Adebayor and many Arsenal fans would have a possible case for a grand conspiracy where teams were purposely trying to break the legs of our players.
First let me say I don’t believe that to be the case. What I do believe the case is what there seems to be a growing case for – certain managers instructing their players to “get a leg in” or “be aggressive.” The players then interpret that to mean certain actions and their on field antics lead to the injuries.
Telling this week was Fulham captain, Danny Murphy, a player, coming right out and naming, Tony Pulis, Sam Allardyce and Mick McCarthy as prime culprits. Murphy had this to say at a recent conference:
“Your manager dictates how you behave. You get managers who are sending their teams out to stop other teams playing, which is happening more and more – the Stokes, Blackburns, Wolves.
“They can say it’s effective and they have got to win games but the fact is the managers are sending out their players so pumped up there are inevitably going to be problems. Every ship has a captain, and that’s the manager.”
Whatever codes there are about naming names or pointing out teams who are alleged culprits was smashed with this statement. The reaction has been wide spread. There is the obvious defence of the “English game” and their is the outcry of support. But I really think that by a player coming out and saying something we are at a watershed moment.
Here’s the thing, I am not for taking out the physical nature of the English game. It is what differentiates it from the mamby pamby Italian and Spanish leagues. Ah, but don’t misconstrue this statement, I do like a passing flowing game. I think however that the two can live together if managers, refs and the leagues understand and control the nature of the physical side of the game.
The speed and “roughness” of the English game are what make it compelling. It’s hard and its quick. And even without reckless tackles there are some moments of absolute hair raising in it. What happens is when the reckless is introduced by an amped up player who has been told to get on certain players or teams. When that reckless happens you have an Eduardo, Ramsey, Zamora and even Hatem Ben Arfa.
The Ben Arfa injury is maybe more agregious than most as Nigel De Jong wasn’t even sent off for it. The argument there was that classic intent statement. He didn’t intend. To which I say – my ass. The initial foot in, wasn’t the danger it was the trailing foot that closed in around the trapped leg. Sorry, Nigel knew what he was doing. Maybe a broken leg wasn’t the end result he wanted but he was out to hurt. And you know what, sorry De Jong has shown repeatedly he is “that type of guy,” just ask Xabi Alonso. At least Bert van Marwijk, the Netherlands manager thought enough to drop him from the national squad for that challenge.
The point is its time something has been done. Arsenal fans are too familiar with these injuries and already2 months into the season we have 4 broken legs. At this rate we will wind up with 10 total by the end of the year. The league and refs need to get in there and really lay the law down and me frankly I am all for the offending party getting a lengthy stay on the sideline for the rash challenges but the team and manager get a hefty fine. Considering the teams that are guilty of these types of managerial decisions, the hit to the pockets is probably the only way we’ll see some reticence by some managers. Others, well they just shouldn’t be given managerial oportunities again. Ya here me Sam?
Its good that a player has spoken out. Its about time. The press need to join in rather loudly. And more players and managers besides Arsene Wenger and Roberto Martinez of Wigan need to all speak out. Only then will the FA really take action.
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Can anyone assist me out? It is going to be significantly appreciated.
That youtube on Mannone is amazing really.
The guy seems to combine all the weaknesses of BOTH Almunia (ball-watching, poor aerial command, near-post weakness, poor judgements) and Fabianski (all round calamity). That first goal he conceded was pure Fabianski!!!
This comes just less than a week after mouthing off! Oh, the egg on his face.
He really isnt a very good goalie. I remember him pulling several Almunia stunts after that ONE Fulham game in which he made four reflex saves.
Basically, of our four goalies, three of them are certified disasters.
Either we have the worst collection of goalies in football history or our goalkeeping coaches suck big time. Maybe a combination of both?
PS: I expect ALL four of these “world-class” GKs to still be at the club in September 2011!
Who wants to bet against that?
Mannone’s brain farts are shown courtesy of 7amkickoff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgxEFI0-aQg&feature=player_embedded
Cant blame the lad, he is only following his mentors’ Mooney and Flappianski. He doesn’t want to feel left out.
BTW: There are 2 international friendly breaks before march.
Nah, screw that. Manone talked all that trash and then went out and played like an assclown. When you talk about another professional’s standard of play then when you get a chance you had better go out and prove your argument. He has no room to talk. All three of those goals were his fault. I think we can all see why Wenger moved Sneezy ahead of him.
If he hadn’t talked so much trash about Almunia and Fabianski, I would have just felt bad for the kid. Karma.
4 world class keepers ….
I have placed forums for all leagues under the Gooners Pub section of the new YAMA forums. There is even a championship section Stag.
http://www.youaremyarsenal.com/forums
For whatever reason Steve it got put into the blog’s spam filter. Are you spamming my blog Steve?
It happens from time to time.
No I am not restricting post limits in any way.
Having trouble submitting a comment, but I’ll keep trying, for a while at least….
That one seemed to work, but not my larger one…hmmm….
Very weird, I’ll try my bigger one as a reply….here goes….
I was almost gonna write, “Stag’s right, there’s nothing to talk about”….but now, 30 seconds, later I’ve thought better of it….
If the team’s really got all these problems (and we do) then there’s plenty to talk about….Maybe, however, a break (or two, pun intended, given the photo of Aaron Ramsey above) is a nice thing, now and again….
The international football WAS exceedingly dreary (and very little of it was on TV). However, I saw the most amazing highlights of one of our outspoken goalkeepers last night, Vito Mannone, who I have to think has a bunch of up and coming Italian teammates a bit pissed off that they will not be playing in next summer’s tidy little 8 team U-21 Euros. I can’t find the goals on 101greatgoals.com….but if you get a chance….WOW! At least his Italian team played more than 7 mins. We should be glad our match in Serbia is completed and hope for the best when Partizan come to visit in London….
And speaking of keepers, who will play on Saturday? Your guess is as good as mine….But please, let’s find someone else to pay that Mannone kid….
In other news: the ‘Pool sale goes through despite another, slightly higher bid materializing late. No dropped points, so they’re right back in it (Hahaha…) and Benitez saying he’ll take their Denilson (Lucas) if they’re in a selling mode (and they will be….)
But finally, no more Internationals until March!!! Scanning the fixtures, we play twice a week for the next month with doubles against Eduardo and Shaktar Donesk and Newcastle (CC cup away, league at home). The “tough ones” are ManCity and Everton Away, but then again, with Arsenal, every match is a tough one….Then we get a week off before Spurs at home and then a solid run of matches to take us to the New Year, including Villa and ManU away and Chelsea at home. In other words, plenty of opportunities to figure out our “needs” before the next transfer window opens….
OK, there it is, a few minutes later, sorry for the redundant posts, etc.
Like Vito might say: “I swear, it’s not my fault!…”
Yeah, still not working, is there now a limit to size of posts? Are you attempting to get us posting on the Forums? Inquiring minds and all….
My comment was pretty silly anyway, of course…mainly wanted to know if anyone saw the “highlights” of Vito Mannone’s work last night in the U-21 qualifiers. Suffice it to say that Italy did not go through and I would not be at all surprised if Vito “has a little accident” on his way back to London….His chances of “going out on loan” (or Arsenal finding someone else to pay his wages) were not exactly enhanced….
Ummm.
DAG.
Just really looked at the photo above.
Why would you actually show that??!!
Its dead because really, there isn’t much to say or discuss.
We are what we are.
We ain’t winning the league.
and 2 1/2 months until the window opens up again.
lets see.
we need a KEEPER.
we need a DM.
and… I read a rumor that BARCELONA are interested in Denilson!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
and… I read another rumor that Nasri wants to play centrally, and
be the man in the middle…
let’s offload Cesc and get the boatload of CA$H in January… as he’s going to miss probably half the matches this season anyway, and we can move on to the “next” future…
;)
US drew 0-0 in a friendly against Columbia.
Not very exciting.
England drew with Montenegro @ Home in the Euros.
Actually, Montenegro, is not a bad team.
and if I want to YAMA forum, it can be about the undefeated
Queens Park Rangers in the Championship!
:yes:
Wow this place is dead.
Anyways, for all those interested, I made a Bundesliga discussion thread over at the YAMA forums. I figure the forum is better-suited for that type of discussion than the blog comments are. So have at it.
There are certain challenges that have been deemed illegal because they pose a threat to a players health. The Premier League can still be competitive and physical. They just need officials to call illegal challenges illegal and take the appropriate actions when illegal challenges occur. Also, like stag said, make the guilty parties pay for their infractions.
The managers association has already come out and condemned Danny Murphy’s statements.
OFF TOPIC:
God I hope this kid develops as much as it seems like he is: Benik Afobe
England’s hat-trick hero Benik Afobe, 17, has been in the national junior sides for two years and was promoted to John Peacock’s Under 17s a year ahead of schedule. The pacy Arsenal striker, from Barnet, is effective on the wing or through the middle and has grabbed four goals in two games for England in Belgium. He scored 20 times in 25 appearances for Arsenal’s Under 18s last season.
In My Very Humble Opinion….English football is uniquely positioned, right now, to move the entire game forward, way forward, by taking some steps to improve the standard of the officiating, with the use of video. I may be wrong, but I believe that EVERY PL match have cameras which could be used in the game for challenges (goal line calls, first, then offsides and in-the-box pens) AND for post match sanctions against dangerous play. Because the English-Language sporting culture (read: US sports) already employs such technology, the EPL is uniquely placed to capture this (huge) market and start a snow-ball effect that would be (IMO) unstoppable.
Now is the time, what with the broken legs, people (in addition to effete Frenchmen) speaking out, etc. Unfortunately, at every turn, the FA seems to revert back to its very conservative stance, protecting the “caveman” elements of the English game.
It IS good that they are attempting to blood some young referees, and maybe we’ll start seeing some with the BALLS to make some calls. And maybe the double-balls to make them from the linesman positions if the primary ref cannot see something, (like the De Jong tackle). (Triple-balls, if the calls go against the home team….)
Personally, I think the refs need a third level of sanction against players to differentiate current yellow card offenses, like talking back, time wasting, etc. from truly dangerous play, but that’s a pipe dream…. As is thinking that the FA will take the lead on anything truly progressive, despite the monumental positive effects that might ensue….
In regard to the tackles that cause serious injury…
we’ve discussed before, and I really believe its relatively SIMPLE.
In the cases mentioned above, where the injured player has a broken
leg… (or any serious injury) and its a reckless tackle, for all to see on replay or live…
You can either suspend the player for 1/2 a season?
15 games? 20 games? without PAY…
or you could even suspend him as long as the player he injures is out.
If you suspend Ryan Shawcross or Nigel DeJong 20 games without pay…
I think it would flat out STOP this type of tackling immediately.
A manager can say whatever he wants to a player… but if the player
LOSES HIS PAY for 1/2 a season, it has a major impact.
It is up to the FA to make this adjustment.
I AGREE with certain managers who say they have to play physical or defensive in order compete against the BIG TEAMS. Sorry, but there are teams that can NOT simply play a free-flowing game against Arsenal or United or Chelsea… its suicide.
But when they start injuring players on the other team with over-aggressive play, then… the player (and maybe club as well) need to PAY A HEAVY PRICE.
Until the FA adjust… and rule effectively on this, it won’t stop.
So Liverpool- the most successful club in the history of English football- could file for administration, thus preventing their take-over by Red Sox-owning NESV. Wow.
Also, everyone be sure to vote in F365’s current poll: “Which Arsenal player will be injured on international duty this week?” We can’t do anything about this frustrating problem for now, so we might as well have some fun with it. I voted for Rosicky, who is currently leading Sagna, Clichy, Wilshere, and Arshavin with 44% of the vote.
Sagna wins… Out for 3 weeks, rumour has it…
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/10/10/SOCCER_France_Sagna.html
Seems like Sagna was injured before the internationals and actually sat out the two France games.
I read this recently & thought the logic was appropriate…..
You go out drinking and at the end of the evening you decide to drive home and in the process
loose control of your vehicle – hitting another vehicle…..injuring its inhabitants.
Now the individual that was drinking, he had always been a good person, not a habitual offender of
the laws, and had no intention to harm anyone. (the same excuses we hear from media and defending
managers/clubs for reckless tackles)
The end result is what it is……. the result of poor decision making.
There are 3 parties at fault here.
Managers
Officials
The governing body (FA)
Officials have 2 priorities: enforce the laws and protect the safety of the players. If the officials don’t want to enforce the laws, then the governing body should take measures to suspend their match assignments and after consistent poor decisions, officials should receive suspenions for a period or relegated to a lower league.
Once managers see their side consistently playing down a man or two, they will rethink the type of player they recruit or sign and recalibrate pre-match instructions. Playing men down will result in teams losing points and managers being replaced.
For Martin Atkinson not to have handed out any card for th de Jong tackle on Ben Arfa…….the referee’s association should have taken action against Atkinson. But then this is England and English mentality….
Tackling is a skill that can be taught. In this instance, de Jong’s front leg clearly gets the ball, but the red card foul is committed by the trailing leg. Dangerous tackling can also be taught.
Arsenal youngster Benik Afobe scores a hat trick for the England U19s
Interesting From Goal.com:
Jean-Claude Dassier, chairman of Marseille, has revealed that his club may look for further sanctions to compensate for the injury suffered by Ben Arfa.
Speaking to Telefoot, Dassier revealed that the Ligue 1 club is looking into possible further sanctions that may be taken against the Dutchman.
“We will file a complaint against de Jong,” Dassier confirmed. “It’s about getting rid of this type of individual from European grounds.”
By the way – where is everyone?