Cesc Says: We Need A Winning Mentality. I Say: No S***
Hey did you hear – Cesc Fabregas is in the news again. Did you also hear the press is reporting (or at least some outlets are reporting) that he still harbors a desire to go to Barcelona. Really guys give it a break, it is not what he said. But that is not the point of this piece. The point is the following quote:
‘But here (at Arsenal) I have everything. I’m still happy. I’m very comfortable here, I like the club, lead the team, play football. We just need to start winning titles because we have a wealth of quality. A winning mentality is missing.’
Cesc says we need a winning mentality. To which I say – NO SHIT. But pardon me Cesc, if we need a winning mentality on the field it has to start with the Captain. Now before I get too far along, I think we can all safely say that I was one of the few ardent non-female supporters of Cesc in the whole summer transfer saga. I said from the outset he won’t go and that he will focus on being here at Arsenal. That being said – Cesc dude you want a winning mentality – start with yourself.
A winning mentality emanates from the man with the armband. If you lead they will follow. When Cesc is at his best and is leading on the pitch, I believe that regardless of any other issues this team is as good as any of the teams in the top of the league. Yes, I said and believe you may not agree with it – so what. Cesc is without a doubt the best midfielder in England and probably Europe – when he is on. The problem is there are times when he isn’t and when he isn’t Arsenal struggle. They’ll win alot because even half a Cesc is better than no Cesc but still we look disjointed without Cesc.
Basically what I am saying is this, if Cesc takes the challenge of getting the silverware on his shoulders and tries to be the Captain on a regular basis, this team will achieve things. However, if we are dealing with long term injuries, questions about his mindset and loyalties than the club will sit listless finishing anywhere from 2nd to 4th, constantly drifting back and forth without achieving its goal. Our last winning season was when we had without a doubt one of the best Captain’s the club has seen, Patrick Viera. He was our spine and a definitive leader on the pitch.
I am not sittig here saying Cesc has to score every game. No not that, what I am saying is his work rate and focus need to be the standard by which the other players emulate. When he plays efforts like against Barca or Spurs last year are pillars by which all of Arsenal’s current and future crop should play. When he doesn’t score he must be pulling the strings, giving every effort to unsettle and undo the challenge the teams are presenting to him and the club. And when things don’t go right – no tantrums, work harder. With an effort like that there will not be obstacles the team can’t overcome. Heck even Andrei Arshavin may learn he can’t be only interested in the big games.
Additionally, whatever it takes the diminutive Spaniard needs to find some way to stay healthy. We are a markedly different team with him on the pitch. He needs to discover the hyperbarric chambers that keep Terrell Owens healthy or talk to Brett Favre about what he does at 41 to be able to play American football for 260+ games without missing 1. I am not asking for 260+ games hell I’ll take 40 games (league and cups included). Do whatever it takes to get and stay healthy. Sure the league needs to do something about bad crunches but you need to do something about the shape your body is in.
Finally, to develop a winning mentality and lead this team – Cesc must honour completely the terms of his current contract. By waffling on will he or won’t he saga’s each summer it only unsettles the team and frankly is less than the club and manager who made him deserves. Cesc is the player he is not because he was at Barca until 16. He is the player he is and the recognized star he is because of the developmental process and tutelage of the Arsenal system. He owes it the club and the players who brought him along to at least offer that through the extent of his contract.
Look Cesc, we all agree – the club need a winning mentality. It has to start somehwere, why not with you? Winning is contagious afterall
Finally a word about the firestorm the press is making about Cesc’s comments. They are all pretty much quoting the same interview where Cesc does not deny his summer desire to go to Barcelona and cited it as a “good opportunity’. But it is quite funny, that the way they arrange the article quotes to stress their headline. For instance according to the Sun the sub headline reads “CESC FABREGAS has blasted his Arsenal team-mates for lacking a “winning mentality” — but insists he is still happy at the club.”
Well I quote directly from his full interview and nowhere in the piece do I see him blasting anyone. Its only one example but most of the press is this way. Now, I am not a big conspiracy theorist and I understand that papers need to sell papers. But I am beginning to think that this journalistic focus on Fabregas week in week out smells of an agenda. I don’t see constant articles on the same frequency you see them of Fabregas. And I don’t think that agenda has anything to do with Cesc per se – but I do believe that for whatever reason there is an anti-Arsenal bias in some corners of the press.
Look I don’t mind critical articles of the team. When they do poorly they should be called on it by the press. When Wenger makes an assinine statement, ditto. But the incessant attempts at targetting one of our players non-stop doesn’t pass the smell test to me.
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This PSG story is typical Arsene – trying to scare the fans.
“If you don’t appreciate me, my brand of football or the way I do things, then I will leave.”
He did the same with Real Madrid some time ago.
I think/hope most fans can see through it now.
So Kos is injured during the international break without playing a game.
Hmmm….
LOL!! Amazing what our players get up to.
Have either Arsenal or France offered an explanation as to how this mysterious injury occurred?
They are too embarrased to tell the truth, which is a butterfly flapped it’s wings in Nagoya causing a disturbance in the air molecules which resulted in a air punch to Kos. Another reason the story is not told is because the butterfly belongs to a former fitness coach of Grampus Eight and a friend during Wenger’s time there.
I think of myself as an optimist (by nature, when it comes to watching Arsenal at least) but I never thought the Cesc thing was “made-up,” so Kiwi must be talking about some others….In fact, in my weaker moments, I think I might’ve even called for Cesc to F-off…
Right now, I’m even indulging in a little conspiracy thinking, worried a bit that we’re protecting Cesc’s value by not playing him vs one of the “bad tackling” teams. Wasn’t it at B-ham that Cesc really hurt himself last season, ahead of the (supposed and heroic) broken leg vs Barca? Give Cesc a run-out in a CL group match and maybe he’ll make the highlight reels seen throughout Europe. IMO, there’s something rotten in North London, at the moment….
Speaking of which, Bendy might get some pitch time….Gibbs could get his chance to outplay Calamity (inspiring Arsh ahead of him?) and even Theo might feature on the right seeing as Eboue will likely start at RB. And finally, the #1 spot seems like it belongs to Flappy, for the moment at least. Could he possibly keep a clean sheet in a meaningful match for the first time in….well, ever?…..
At least some real football is on tap….
While I agree that the chance of Arsene “head in the sand” Wenger winning the league or champions league is pretty much a hard zero … a measure of success could be had from the League Cup if Wenger would take it freaking serious!
Coming third in the league, winning the league cup and getting to the quarter finals of the FA cup and champions league seems like a very good season’s haul for Arsenal!
The league cup is low hanging fruit!
And once you win it, the gloom lifts from the entire club … the cobwebs disintegrate … and even though the team will still be relatively weak for once it will really have the oft-mentioned but never present BELIEF!
You win the CC in February and its like 20 bottles of red bull pumped right into the team’s psyche. There is just NO reason not to go for it. None whatsoever.
Scanning the fixtures ahead, I personally feel that the CC match (Newcastle Away) is the key. It’s right on the heels of ManCity away and if we can get a result at City AND show our depth and move forward in the CC, it would be a real boost for the club. Of course we would need to actually go on and win the trophy, but we can’t possibly have a run of fixtures early in the new year like we had last season, so I like our chances….IF we can turn things around here in the next couple of weeks….
As for Wenger going to PSG – that would be wonderful. Highly unlikely but wonderful. Wenger going anywhere would now be wonderful. His exit would reignite the ‘interest factor’ in being a follower of Arsenal. But let’s not kid ourselves, Wenger recently signed a new contract extension, he knows that he won’t get the level of unconditional support and tolerance at any other big club on the planet that he enjoys at Arsenal. So he’s going nowhere.
So we can expect another 3 years of non-achievement and mind-warping spin. The faithful will lap it up, the rest will look on but perhaps with less regularity.
Cesc’s comments are predictable and consistent with what any independent thinker would expect.
Firstly let’s clarify that he did want to go. You may remember that all through the summer the self-proclaimed optimists wanted to believe that deep down it was all a ruse. That somehow the media and bad-Barca were creating a nonsense. The truth is HE WANTED TO GO. CESC WANTED TO GO. He couldn’t really be more clear could he? Remember that fact the next time the truth doesn’t line up with your preferred reality.
I said regularly that despite his ‘professionalism’ having a captain who wants to be elsewhere was a net-negative. Lovely to hear he ‘likes’ Arsenal – what an effusive tribute. You may like to count the number of games he plays this season. The percentage may be underwhelming.
Cesc also echo’s my oft-repeated ‘winning trophies is what matters’. Don’t let Wenger delude you that ‘values’ exceeds trophies. Cesc doesn’t think so, neither does any other professional with talent and red blood in his veins.
At this juncture, the only hope we have of retaining Cesc is to win something. If we do, then maybe he will stay. But even then that’s a maybe. If we don’t then he’ll be off. You can’t keep a player who doesn’t believe in your team (particularly if he is your captain). So don’t fool yourself that he’ll stay out of love – he won’t. Another season of nothingness will only consolidate his belief that he should have gone and he MUST now go.
I agree with Stag. We need a competitive bidding process for Cesc. Real would be ideal – their participation may jolt Barca out of their misguided sense that they can get him cheap. We should get 40m pounds or a bit more.
I don’t dislike Cesc, on the contrary I think he has been a gem and I trumpeted his maturation before many. But you know, you just have to face reality. Few players are deeply loyal. And even fewer foreign players. The motivators just aren’t there. We’d be far better to nuture a British player as captain FAR BETTER. You’d give yourself a far higher prabability of a long natural loyalty and success.
What really irks me is that Wenger’s refusal to replenish the squad with more mature fit talent has likely jettisoned our chances of success under Cesc. If we’d been successful you can be sure that leaving would be a far harder choice for Cesc. As it is, his comments make it abundantly clear that he sees leaving as an eminently sensible next step – and he’s right.
“At this juncture, the only hope we have of retaining Cesc is to win something. If we do, then maybe he will stay.”
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I don’t think winning something would hinder Cesc’s exit. If anything, it would provide him an opportunity to leave Arsenal without feeling that his seven years of effort here were in vain; nor would the media be able to blame him for giving up and not being able to lead a team to success.
“Few players are deeply loyal.”
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True, but Cesc is loyal, he’s just not loyal to Arsenal. He’s loyal to Spain (the country he just won Euro and WC with), to Catalonia (his native region, one with a fierce and passionate identity), and to FC Barcelona (the gem of that region, his boyhood favorite, his youth team, and the club his grandfather took him to see when he was a baby).
Can you blame him?
oh.
and there was also the story / rumor that WENGER was interested (at some point) in returning to France to manage at PSG.
he commented on what they need to do to succeed, at a club in a major city, and no competitor in Paris.
I think he’d be a great manager for PSG.
He said he would not go there as a manager but in another position.
He would only go to PSG in a board position.
Cesc said that Real Madrid bid for him this Summer!
Let’s hope they bid for him in January too, and that we can get some kind of bidding war going for him.
He will be lucky to play 20 matches for us this season. He has no interest or desire to play for Arsenal with even the slightest knock or injury, if he knows he is likely off to Barcelona soon. Why would he?
What would be his motivation if we didn’t improve the team in the off-season, and we aren’t winning the league.
SELL HIM. Before he gets seriously injured and/or his value goes down.
We aren’t winning with him, so let’s not win without him, and MAKE a nice tidy profit before its too late.
How much for him in the Summer? 25 Million GBP?
I doubt we get much more than that.
I think Cesc is just being diplomatic. He knows we are carrying one too many duds to compete for trophies.
He could improve his performances in the big games though. He tends to crumble a bit when we need some inspiration against the big sides.
Actually I think quite the opposite. He ups his game in the crunch.
Look at his contributions at the world cup and at the Euros and in some of the major matches last season.
The reason why he seems to be doing less sometimes is the significant crumbling in his teammates performances in those games. He is not a physical dominator, so if his colleagues play too badly he cant literally drag them up. Especially if the opposition is too strong or he has no helpers.
In the later stages of the WC final – with the game still delicately poised, luminaries like Xavi and Iniesta were CONSTANTLY looking to give the ball to Fabregas at every turn.
Now that is RESPECT.
I think the AC Milan game best illustrates Cesc’s ability to up his game when his club needs him to.
From the perspective of a football fan, it’s nice to see the assholes Hicks & Gillette forced out at Liverpool. I really started to loathe what those guys were doing to that club, even though I’m not a Liverpool fan and I dislike LFC.
From the perspective of an Arsenal fan, however, it would’ve been beneficial for them to stay. With them gone, Liverpool still have a sliver of hope of one day seeing the promised land again, although maybe not for a good number of years; had they stayed Liverpool would’ve languished in mid-table mediocrity and obscurity for eternity.
I dont see how the proposed new owners would change anything at LFC.
NESV’s bid just buys the club at a low price and pays off the debt. Nothing else really.
The guy who owns NESV is worth just around 600 million, thats not much!
History has shown that the ONLY owners who spend a lot on the team are the very, very, very rich who are not looking to make a profit on the club. So far only two have shown that desire, Abramovich and the Man City guy. Thats it.
Hicks/Gilette are very bad because they took out loans using the club as collateral.
But it isnt them who are causing the Liverpool team to be in the RELEGATION zone! Thats just poor coaching and management.
All in all, the new owners arent going to save the club from mediocrity.
Agree with Fred, the pressure now is squarely falls on Hodgson! Don’t see any large infusion of funds as there is no sugar daddy at NESV.
Benitez was the one that made all the screwy transfers…….Keane, Bellamy, Crouch,…….Aquillani; lost Alonso, Macherano, and Benayoun; NOT HICKS AND GILLETTE.
they are very smart businessmen, and I see similarities between Liverpool’s situation and the Red Sox.
Long great tradition, team that hasn’t won in long time, classic old stadium.
As long as Liverpool play in Fenway Park in the Summa’… I don’t care how they finish in England!
But I think they’ll do well as owners there…
No way can Fenway park dimensions come up with a football configuration. If they play in NE it probably will be at Gillette Stadium, home of the NE Patriots and the NE Revolution.
Hicks and Gillette didn’t cause the bad transfers, etc. but they did cause the club to pile up 350m pounds worth of debt. That’s why they sold- the court mandated that they sell in order to raise the money required to pay off their creditors. That’s how bad it got.
And I think John W. Henry will be a better owner. Like Stag said, he’s proven he can win with the Red Sox (who have consistently been 2nd or 3rd in total payroll expenses since he took over).
But huge cash infusion is not the only route towards success. I think he will try to go the balanced route of moderate cash infusion when possible, and prudent management/planning to balance it out (as opposed to Hicks/Gillette, who gave nothing and only took from the club)… you know, it’s that route that we all wish Arsenal would take since their profit-making ability and youth system are the perfect combo for such a scheme. If only a certain manager would cease his stubbornness and a certain board would cease its greed…
THE POINT:
If Pool were successful on the pitch, ownership would not be in the spotlight.
Yeah, but ownership piling up 350m GBP worth of debt is detrimental to success on the pitch.
Off Topic:
Responding to Fred from the previous thread.
Mannone was never a great GK at the lower levels. When ATV had the youth teams on display I watched a lot of reserve ball, and Mannone was unspectacular but very steady. He reminded me of a solid 3rd string GK who would take his money and be willing to sit patiently on the bench.
He is not as bad as his recent display would suggest, but it may be the Moo/Flap effect taking place. You know what they say about association.
I have also been contending for the past 3 years that our GK coaching at the first team level is a joke. While brain farts are not truly coach-able, basic distribution, positioning and communication, definitely are. Our GK coach does not even attend away games for Pete’s sake. What the fuck is up with that.
Our organization at the basic football level reminds me of a demagogic mom and pop shop where players, coaches and medical staff are rewarded because of their service and loyalty without any regard to their ability or results.
Got to leave now, I am applying for the Defensive Coach, Physio, GK Coach and Trainer positions at AFC.
I agree with 99.9% of what you say DAG, however, Cesc will be wearing Barca colors next year.
His current injury seems somewhat contrived as also the case with Mooney. Just last week, Cesc was tweeting that he was fully fit and eager to get on the field and was heading off to Capri to enjoy the break with his friends. All of a sudden today, we hear he won’t be able to make it this weekend and is just a maybe for next week. Is Arsene trying to prepare us for LAC (Life After Cesc)?