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Happy St. Totteringham’s Day: Arsenal v Tottenham; Match Preview

By Michael Price
April 13, 2010
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It's Derby Day

 

St. Totteringham’s Day: (N) Quite a simple concept, St. Totteringham’s day is the day when Arsenal have gathered enough points to be mathematically assured to finish ahead of Tottenham in the league table. When Arsenal have an advance on their North London rivals large enough that it becomes mathematically impossible for them to be overtaken, that day is declared by Arsenal fans to be St. Totteringham’s day.

Because the celebration is based on the points difference between the two clubs, the exact date of St. Totteringham’s day varies from year to year, depending on the respective forms of both clubs that season. For obvious reasons St. Totteringham’s day can only occur the years when Arsenal finish the season ahead of Tottenham in the league table. Since the inception of the EPL in 1992, it has happened every year, except for the 1992-93 and 1994-95 seasons when Arsenal last finished behind Tottenham in the league.

The earliest occurence of St. Totteringham’s day in a season is 9 March 2008, matchday 29 of the 2007-08 season. The least amount of games needed to reach St’ Totteringham’s day was 28, on 13 March 2008. Both the 1995-96 and 2005-06 seasons went down to the wire, with both clubs’ rankings relative to each other only decided on matchday 38, the very last day of the season.

Ah, it’s that time of year. We are winding down at the end of the season and we are faced with putting our North London rivals in their right place – below us in the table.  Yes, my friend’s rejoice it is today that we will likely dance and shout for joy at the arrival of St. Totteringham’s Day. Songs will be sung and pints will be drunk and by the end of it Fat Harry and his over achieving bands of misfits will once again be lower than Arsenal for another season.

Yes, every day you pick up a paper and the man who is partially responsible for Pompey’s demise (though he won’t admit it) proudly shouts (to anyone who will listen) that his club are closing the gap on Arsenal. I am not sure Harry has bothered to check the table nor reminded himself of their last result. But Harry in his wildest dreams will never have a club that could hold Denilson’s jock strap. The fact that they faded out to Pompey in the FA Cup semis is a testament to that. A big club or a club on par or near Arsenal would’ve neatly dispatched woeful Pompey with a ton of verve. And as we all know that didn’t happen.

True Harry does have some talented players – Jermaine Defoe, Jenas, Nikko Krancjar, Aaron Lennon and Jonathon Woodgate are all quality players. Even the monkey face welshman; Gareth Bale is slightly respectable. But all in all they don’t have the depth or the managerial verve to ever supplant the big four – five if you count City.

Harry is not the saviour of English football as some in the press or he himself tout him to be. He is capable. But he is old school. When the chips are down he resorts to tired tactics and doesn’t know how to pick his team up. His whole game is around the lanky legs of the freak of nature Peter Crouch. The talent he has is more by mere coinidence than actual identification. He wants rid of Roman Pavulychenko who has quietly shown the quality of his stature in spite of the English lion of Football. Bah.

Harry Redknapp is overrated, a thief, and a poor manager. The sooner we dispatch of Tottenham on Wednesday the better – so we can be done with him and tell where he can stick his team’s projections.

In reality for Arsenal the task is as it has been since the end of January – win and stay in it. Win and pass United on the table. Win and close in back to 3 points on Chelsea with a more favorable run in to the end. Arsenal have been impressive in their last 8 league matches taking 22 of 24 points. There hasn’t been a better squad.  Additionally, the have developed a fighting mentality which should tell every team playing them – if you shut down when you are ahead – this team will make you pay. Ask Barcelona – the best team on the planet – what happened two weeks ago when they had a 2-0 lead on Arsenal and decided to fritter the match away.

Arsenal have shown patience and verve that is uncharacteristic of an Arsene Wenger squad. The simply will not quit for 90 + minutes. They have scord 17 goals in the last 10 minutes of matches this season. More than any other team in the league. In their last 3 matches they have closed out those matches in that last 10 minute span.

This is a different season for the Gunners. It has been marred by an incredible train of players heading to the training table for long periods of time. It is a season when noone figured they would do well, when they seemed to be the team voted most likely to be looking outside the big four this season. When in fact they are one of three teams who has been in the title hunt since October. That’s right when you look at the season in its entirety even when they were counted as out – they came right back and were well in it. Granted, the opposition seemed every intent on letting all comers play in the season.

This Arsenal squad can build on the enduring recent history against Spurs this week. In their last 20 league meetings Arsenal have not lost to Spurs. 7 of the last 9 meetings at White Hart Lane have ended in draws. The last league win Spurs had against Arsenal was a 2-1 win in 1999 – which featured a Spurs side with current Arsenal defender Sol Campbell.

Arsenal will be bouyed by the return (to the bench) of Robin Van Persie – he of the ankle injury and the placenta treatment for cure. He’s been out since an injury against an international friendly against Italy. He has returned to first team training and while his likely match fitness is limited , he does seem to “look” rather fit. You can see pictures of his training session on Arsenal dot com. There are some good images of his full out sprinting and angling with the ball. He’ll likely start on the bench but it is good to see him back in the squad. Especially with so many others out.

Speaking of out, Alex Song will miss the derby and this weekend’s tie against Wigan. Gallas is out indefinitely (still) and Arshavin could be back to the squad in time for the Man City match.

How the Match Will Play Out:
I am not sure how much creedance I put into how tired SPurs will be. Sure they played 120 minutes of losing football this past weekend. Sure it was only Sunday and sure they have to turn right around and play on Saturday.  Okay maybe it is a big thing. Arsenal are a week +1 removed from a masterclass on handling the ball. They will have all gotten the exhibition against Barcelona out of their system. They should be fresh and they should smell blood of a team that is unsure of itself given their recent loss. Both sides a reeling from injuries so neither squad has a one up in that department. Except that Arsenal are out on a mission and out to prove everyone wrong. Look for an early Nicky B goal and then a late winner from either Nasri or super sub Van Persie. If Arsenal do not score early – it will be a 1-1 draw.

Players to watch:
Arsenal: Sol Campbell. Its less about what the reborn defender can do than what the reaction of the Spurs fans will be to his presence on the pitch. The acrimony of Spurs fans to the Arsenal defender is legendary. He has come out and said it won’t bother him. In fact I think it will inspire him. Let’s just hope it doesn’t inspire some of the more lunatic fringe of spurs fans.

Tottenham: Roman Pavulychenko. In January it was no secret he wanted out and that English legend ‘Arry didn’t want to play him. But then again he didn’t work very hard to move him. Needless to say it has inspired the Russian striker and he has been solid for most of the time since then. ON a couple of occassions his performance has forced ‘Arry to actually praise him. Novel stuff ‘Arry.

Probable Starting XI:
Arsenal: Almunia, Vermaelen, Campbell, Clichy, Sagna, Diaby, Denilson, Nasri, Rosicky, Bendtner, Eboue.

Spurs: Gomes, Corluka, Bassong, Dawson, Bale, Bentley Huddlestone, Gudjohnsen, Modric, DeFoe, Pavlyuchenko.

Injuries/Suspensions:
Arsenal: Arshavin (calf), Gallas (calf), Song (knee) Djourou (knee), Fabregas (leg), Ramsey (leg), Gibbs (foot)

Spurs: Palacios (suspended two matches) King (thigh) Cudicini (broken wrists), Jenas, (groin),Lennon (groin), Woodgate (groin), Kranjcar (ankle), Rose (knee)

Last Meeting (EPL)
Arsenal: 3

Spurs: 0

Leading Scorers:
Arsenal: Fabregas: 19 (15 league) Bendtner: 11 (5 league) Arshavin: 11 (9 league)

Spurs: Defoe: 23 (17 league) Crouch: 12 (7 league)

League Form:
Arsenal: WDWWW

Spurs: LWWWW

Match Officials:
Referee: Mark Clattenburg

Assistant Referees: Dave Bryan & Michael Murphy

Fourth Official: Stuart Atwell

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178 comments

  1. Davina 6 December, 2011 at 19:53 Log in to Reply

    Thanks for taking the time to discuss this topic. I genuinely appreciate it. I’ll stick a link of this entry in my weblog.

  2. Lai 6 December, 2011 at 15:07 Log in to Reply

    The following time I read a blog, I hope that it doesnt disappoint me as much as this one. I mean, I know it was my choice to read, but I truly thought youd have something fascinating to say. All I hear can be a bunch of whining about 1 thing which you might fix should you werent too busy seeking for attention.

  3. nipuna 18 April, 2010 at 01:43 Log in to Reply

    Anyone else notice the exponential rise in PR articles on Arsenal.com since the Spurs defeat. The world’s greatest spin doctor (copyright Myles) must be working over time.

  4. nipuna 18 April, 2010 at 01:42 Log in to Reply

    With Arsenal seemingly out of the title race, I was planning to skip the Wigan game and go out with my family. But with Spurs (of all teams) beating Chelsea, there is a glimmer of hope again. The chances are so remote, it almost seems impossible. We have to win ALL four games AND Chelsea have to drop points in 2 of their 3 games AND ManU have to drop 3 points in their 3 games. Still, it is enough for me to watch the Wigan game and hope. The point I am making is, oh wait, I think I have already made it, haven’t I?

    “I don’t think Arsenal were ever in the title race. It was simply a case of Chelsea and ManU screwing it up that gave Arsenal the illusion that they are in it. Mind you, it did not mean that Arsenal could never win it, but simply that the chances were very remote. So us not making it should not be a surprise.

    Deep inside, I don’t know how many of us ever thought we would win it. I doubt it was too many. But when the # of remaining games reduced and we were still in it with a shot, albeit a long shot, I guess we were simply too excited about it. Maybe that is why we are so disappointed.”

  5. Kiwi 18 April, 2010 at 01:10 Log in to Reply

    You’ve got to say that this will go down as one of the less impressive title successes no matter who wins it. ManU have fallen badly from the heights scaled by Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez. Chelsea have struggled and seem to be enduring internal turbulence. None of the leaders have caught the imagination through their play and with compelling runs. It’s been a bit of a slog, more-so than usual.

    In some ways it’s been the new challengers the likes of ManC and Spurs that have brought a bit of interest to the season. ManC’s MO is well-known, lots of money helps one quickly acquire a strong squad and a good manager – that’s life. Spurs have done what they always do, back their manager by buying the best players they can. Frankly, tribal passion aside, I think Rednapp and Spurs are pretty well matched and that’s not intended to be a slur. Rednapp is a competent EPL manager who knows how to win things and motivate his players. In Spurs he’s probably got a club at the right level to try pushing things a bit further.

    So, whoever wins it, this will go down as a so-so season. Not a lot of glory. ManU already have the LC, Chelsea look likely to get the title, maybe the double. Arsenal will likely again get nothing and seemingly feel content that they competed in the CL and secured that for another season. A functional performance yet hardly aspirational nor inspirational.

  6. ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 19:15 Log in to Reply

    Well Spurs have beaten Arsenal and Chelsea on the trot, lets hope they can keep it up against Man U. If we are to have hope, then it’s not just Chelsea that have to screw up.

  7. DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 16:54 Log in to Reply

    You know this season has been so wonky. Hell to make it officially wonky Arsenal could win it.

  8. Mazza 17 April, 2010 at 16:34 Log in to Reply

    Bale showing the usefulness of having a direct threat on the flanks, that actually has genuine cut and thrust and an element of intelligence and the endurance to remain a consistent threat over the full ninety minutes(Sorry Theo).

    Looking around, Di Maria of Benfica could give us that thrust and genuine width. He’s very erratic still but if we use him correctly he could be a very useful ‘joker’ to put in against United and Chelsea. It’s patently clear we do not have wide playmakers good enough to really hurt the big teams, so why not go with a wide man.

  9. DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 16:26 Log in to Reply

    For my non-administrator comment –

    Could it possibly be that the team who hurt us the most last week – just helped us the most?

    Never thought Spurs would pull out two wins like that. Also with John Terry out it is very likely that Chelsea do not have any first teamers in their back four for their next match.

    • DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 16:31 Log in to Reply

      The bad thing about Spurs winning again is that Harry Rednapp will be lauded in the press as some sort of bastion of English football.

      I think he is a criminal, I think he played part in the demise of Portsmouth and frankly he thinks he is on par with Wenger, Fergie, Mourhino when he is clearly not.

  10. DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 16:23 Log in to Reply

    First as the administrator of this blog I know the violent comments (punching, hitting etc) are in jest but I need to say I in no way condone any violence on a reader of this or any blog – unless the support Spurs (and their name is Harry Redknapp.)

    Please try and use common sense and refrain from anything anyone could construe as a threat.

    Thanks – now please go back to your usual slag fest.

  11. nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 15:32 Log in to Reply

    Spurs beat Chelsea. If we win tomorrow, the gap is back down to 3 points. Is there hope after all or is it yet another illusion?

    • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 15:43 Log in to Reply

      3 pts assuming we win tomorrow. Obviously, I think we will, but as of now it’s still only 6. I guess there’s still hope, there’s always technically hope until you are mathematically eliminated. Which means there was hope even after we lost the derby.

  12. ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 15:15 Log in to Reply

    Crap, Utd. get a 93rd minute winner and Chelsea are currently blowing it against Spurs. Now, we all have our own likes and dislikes when it comes to non-Arsenal football teams, but I certainly dislike Man U more than I dislike Chelsea. I hope the Blues hold on, just to deny Man U a 4th consecutive title. (The one upside to that would be that the d-bag Cronaldo would have left a title-winning side to a nothing-winning side that is being totally owned by the only other team they care about.)

    • Fred 17 April, 2010 at 16:06 Log in to Reply

      I would prefer Man U to win over Chelsea. In the same vein I would prefer Spurs to get fourth, despite the idiotic crowing they will come up with.

      Why? Because when it comes down to it, Man U and Spurs have spent their EARNED money to get where they want to get. Their fans FOOT THE BILL and they deserve any success they get.

      City and Chelsea are on the other end of the spectrum. Without their sugar daddies they would both be firmly in midtable mediocrity. City might even have gotten relegated by now.

  13. ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 15:05 Log in to Reply

    You know what you guys? I think all Christians should stop celebrating Christmas AND Easter. I mean, sure those holidays commemorate the birth and death of their MESSIAH, their Savior, God on Earth, the Lord incarnate… but, even for people who do truly believe those things, and feel an intimate spiritual connection with them, why should they celebrate them? I mean, they happened 2,000 years ago!! WHO CARES? DOESN’T COUNT! Only what happens in our lifetimes matters. I used to think Einstein was a pretty smart guy, I mean he devised the Theory of Relativity. But then I realized that was about 100 years ago now, so I thought, ‘well, who gives a f*ck?’ it didn’t happen in my lifetime. I also used to think my grandpa was pretty heroic for getting a bronze star and purple heart in WWII… but on 2nd thought, I wasn’t alive then, it was like 60 years ago, so it doesn’t REALLY count, right?

    • Fred 17 April, 2010 at 16:00 Log in to Reply

      I doubt we should celebrate July 4th either? TOO LONG AGO.

      Ofcourse no need commemorating WW2. The first war I was alive for was Gulf war 1 … so history starts there!

  14. nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 14:58 Log in to Reply

    Terry is OFF !!!

  15. nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 14:31 Log in to Reply

    Am I the only one who feels that Arsene signed the wrong player from Southampton?

    Gareth Bale looks so much better than Theo Walcott.

    • Fred 17 April, 2010 at 15:53 Log in to Reply

      He sure as f%ck did.

      Bale is not that phenomenal but he is consistent throughout the match, he USES HIS BRAIN, he uses space very well.

      Walcott is a LONG way from doing what Bale or Lennon do. And he is allegedly faster than those two!

    • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 16:51 Log in to Reply

      Arsene probably got it wrong, but given the number of times he has spotted diamonds in the rough that no one else knew about, I’m more than willing to let it slide.

  16. nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 14:28 Log in to Reply

    By the way, if the gap between the top and Arsenal is less than 6 points, will all those who said that winning against the top two doesn’t matter still feel the same way?

    After all, if Arsenal had won one of those games, it would have meant a six point swing in the gap !!

  17. nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 14:20 Log in to Reply

    Spurs leading Chelsea 2-0. Hmmm….

  18. Fred 17 April, 2010 at 13:34 Log in to Reply

    In the end, for Wenger its ALL ABOUT HIM. Nothing else really. Remember that golden rule.

    I assure you all that Wenger wont buy a goalkeeper and Almunia would be our Number 1 next season. Remember the rule. If he makes a great mistake and people criticize him, he DOUBLES DOWN on that mistake. So Almunia stays!

    And no, we are not buying any CB either. He will give Sol a new contract and beg Gallas. And then tell us about not buying a new CB because he does not want to “kill” Djorou, who has not played for over one year now. So at the end of next season, Gallas would be injured like he ALWAYS his. Campbell wont be able to play all the games and Djorou would also be injured like he ALWAYS his. In other words, we would be relying on Vermaelen and Song in CB AGAIN.

    And no, we wont buy in midfield either. Wenger and Denilson have a “special relationship” and as for Diaby … you have to remember the “rule” – Double down on failure!

    So the only person we are bringing in? Chamakh on a free. Thats it.

    This time next year even the most hippie of optimists will agree that Wenger has to go.

    • stag133 17 April, 2010 at 14:41 Log in to Reply

      he just needs a punch in the head…

      • Fred 17 April, 2010 at 15:55 Log in to Reply

        Punch?

        He needs to be smacked with the EIGHT league trophies we “won before GG”.

        You, Staggy boy, can be smacked with the FA cups!

  19. nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 12:26 Log in to Reply

    So Arsenal go to their hated rivals with the title at stake and lose.

    ManU go to their hated rivals with the title at stake and …?

    There goes the last hope of at least making 2nd place?

    • armchairfan 17 April, 2010 at 13:15 Log in to Reply

      Not too long ago, Arsenal went to Old Trafford and won the match and won the league. There was time in the past, Arsenal went to White Hart Lane, drew the match and won the league.

      But, that was then. Now, judge us in 20XX … ;)

      • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 14:56 Log in to Reply

        Arsenal also won the league at WHL in the 70s. Oh, wait that doesn’t count. Why doesn’t it count? B/c Stag said it doesn’t and his opinions ARE facts.

  20. DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 08:20 Log in to Reply

    I can’t find the comment but I will address it hear.

    I as a fan of Arsenal don’t count the currently EPL history as the only history of the club. Nor do I think any supporter should. It’s very narrow and myopic.

    To support a club is to support their entire history – or lack there of. Of all the major clubs next to United and Liverpool – Arsenal have one of the most illustrious histories. Chelsea can only hope that the money stays long enough for them to achieve what this team has achieved over the course of its history. It is also why City will never supplant United as top dog in Manchester or England – they have no history.

    Domestic
    First Division (until 1992) and Premier League
    Winners (13): 1930–31, 1932–33, 1933–34, 1934–35, 1937–38, 1947–48, 1952–53, 1970–71, 1988–89, 1990–91, 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
    Runners-up (8): 1925–26, 1931–32, 1972–73, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2004–05

    Second Division
    Runners-up (1): 1903–04

    FA Cup
    Winners (10): 1930, 1936, 1950, 1971, 1979, 1993, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2005
    Runners-up (7): 1927, 1932, 1952, 1972, 1978, 1980, 2001

    League Cup
    Winners (2): 1987, 1993
    Runners-up (4): 1968, 1969, 1988, 2007

    FA Community Shield (FA Charity Shield before 2002)
    Winners (12): 1930, 1931, 1933, 1934, 1938, 1948, 1953, 1991 (shared), 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004
    Runners-up (7): 1935, 1936, 1979, 1989, 1993, 2003, 2005

    European
    UEFA Champions League
    Runners-up (1): 2005–06

    European Cup Winners’ Cup
    Winners (1): 1994
    Runners-up (2): 1980, 1995

    Inter-Cities Fairs Cup
    Winners (1): 1970

    UEFA Cup[12]
    Runners-up (1): 2000

    European Super Cup
    Runners-up (1): 1994

    Arsenal’s tally of thirteen League Championships is the third highest in English football, after Liverpool and Manchester United, while the total of ten FA Cups is the second highest, after Manchester United.

    Arsenal have achieved three League and FA Cup “Doubles” (in 1971, 1998 and 2002), a record shared with Manchester United,and in 1993 were the first side in English football to complete the FA Cup and League Cup double.They were also the first London club to reach the final of the UEFA Champions League, in 2006.

    Arsenal have one of the best top-flight records in history, having finished below fourteenth only seven times. Arsenal also have the highest average league finishing position for the period 1900–1999, with an average league placing of 8.5. In addition, they are one of only five clubs to have won the FA Cup twice in succession, in 2002 and 2003.

    • DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 08:24 Log in to Reply

      The other things was and I can’t remember – what was the din from 98-2001 when we won feck all as well.

    • nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 13:06 Log in to Reply

      Isn’t that also why Arsenal should strive to win trophies and not just concentrate on tippy tappy football?

    • Fred 17 April, 2010 at 13:20 Log in to Reply

      Where is Staggy boy to defend his comment? ;-)

    • stag133 17 April, 2010 at 14:38 Log in to Reply

      The reality is… MOST supporters outside of the UK are Arsenal fans BECAUSE OF:

      Dennis Bergkamp
      Thierry Henry
      The style of play which Wenger brought with him.

      They didn’t know or care a feck about Arsenal in 1970.

      If you did, well, not sure how you watched or kept up with the games, because they weren’t broadcast, and there was no internet.

      Pre-GG and Pre-AW, Arsenal did very little in terms of winning football, and the style of play that has made them popular…unless you want to count the 1930’s haul of 5 titles.
      Why don’t we take into account Nottingham Forest too?

      I don’t have to defend anything Fred, what are you going to do, insult me from behind your computer screen?

      • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 14:55 Log in to Reply

        Pre-GG and Pre-AW, Arsenal did very little in terms of winning football…
        —————————————-
        Again, 8 leauges and 5 FAC’s before them. (Maybe you don’t know how to count.)

        unless you want to count the 1930’s haul of 5 titles.
        —————————————-
        Yes, we do. You’re the only one who doesn’t. And if we- the fans- want to count them, then they count.

        Why don’t we take into account Nottingham Forest too?
        —————————————-
        I guarantee you every single Forest fan is proud of that achievement, and the fact that they were led by one of the most iconic managers in the history of football. Even if they weren’t alive to see it, it’s part of the club’s (and thus the fans’) identity. Unless they have their own Stag, everyone of them is proud of winning 2 European Cups.

        I was less than a month old when Arsenal won at Anfield in 1989, but I am still proud of that accomplishment. I have several videos of it favorited on my YouTube account. Maybe you don’t have pride in what your own club has accomplished, but I do.

      • Fred 17 April, 2010 at 15:48 Log in to Reply

        So suddenly according to IDIOT stag, ALL Arsenal trophies before the 80s dont count because current fans were not old enough to have been there?

        So the Red Sox wins pre 1918 dont count??

        Those early years Yankee wins after snagging Babe Ruth were also many decades ago. Do they count, Staggy boy??

        You’re such a donkey. Get off the crack you’re on!

        • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 16:54

          Try coming here and telling people that it don’t matter. Lots of Cubs fans still buy and wear t-shirts that say “1908 World Series Champions” cause that’s all they got. Kind of sad actually.

  21. DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 07:22 Log in to Reply

    I got an e-mail from Sachin and a FB message from Nip asking if there an issue with the site. Is anyone else having issues with accessing the site?

    • nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 07:44 Log in to Reply

      I was unable to access the site last night (India time) and was unable to post this morning.

      Edit: Now I can. :)

      • DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 08:10 Log in to Reply

        I think the issue is my hosting company’s Web certificate

  22. Fred 16 April, 2010 at 22:58 Log in to Reply

    “Arsenal were a virtually NOTHING club in terms of winning until GG and more effectively ARSENE WENGER.”

    Hands down the most ridiculous statement in the history of this website. You have outdone yourself son!

    DAG, you got a medal for him??

    • DaAdminGooner 17 April, 2010 at 07:21 Log in to Reply

      I can make a medal.

    • stag133 17 April, 2010 at 14:34 Log in to Reply

      Oh, I thought the most ridiculous was that “Wenger should be punched in the head”…

      but then again, its expected from you, tough guy from behind a computer keyboard.

      • Fred 17 April, 2010 at 15:43 Log in to Reply

        Punched in the head? I cant recall ever typing that, but even if I or anybody else did that is OPINION.

        You said “Arsenal was a NOTHING club with regards to winnings before GG”

        Idiot galore!

      • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 15:44 Log in to Reply

        Also, even if he did say it, a remark like that is surely sarcasm, while your statement is 100% serious.

  23. DaAdminGooner 16 April, 2010 at 22:57 Log in to Reply

    Is Manny’s time up?

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2936139/Manuel-Almunia-has-his-Arsenal-future-thrown-into-doubt.html

    • sachin 17 April, 2010 at 01:44 Log in to Reply

      This article is just a big tease. 2 back to back mistakes put Lehmann out of the team completely but Almunia has been given a free ride unlike any other player.

  24. Fred 16 April, 2010 at 22:47 Log in to Reply

    I agree completely.

    Our MAIN problem is CENTRAL midfield.

    CM is what determines the character and fate of a team. That is why I would never understand the decision to gamble our last two seasons on Denilson – a complete utter waste of time.

    DM/CM needs intelligence, athleticism, strength, street smarts, bite and guile.

    Diaby has only athleticism. Utterly brainless.
    Song has strength. Solid but still a lot to learn if we are to compete in the big leagues.
    Denilson has NONE.

    In my 20 years of watching soccer, I have not met a player in a major team whose only MO is “receive a pass, take 3 to 4 touches, then pass 5 yards sideways”. Its pathetic.

    We NEED strong midfield re-enforcements! Infact we needed that TWO years ago!

    Our defense will continue to leak goals without a strong midfield in front of it. And our attack will continue to shut down against proper opposition. Midfield is our most urgent need.

    • sachin 17 April, 2010 at 01:39 Log in to Reply

      also would help having a human goal-keeper in net and not a scarecrow — one who flaps depending on the wind direction and one who scares his own players (and fans) more than the opponents.

  25. Mazza 16 April, 2010 at 20:23 Log in to Reply

    I see Arsene is still strumming the same strings.

    “Next year is a decisive one”

    “We’re the team out of the top four on an upward curve” (Which as I said is a load of nonsense as football is peaks and troughs and non-linear most of the time)

    “We looked defensively vulnerable in big games”

    Okay the last one is true but I get the sense Arsene’s solution doesn’t match up with mine. Once again I feel he’s going to skirt around the central midfield and his continue his delusion with Song, Denilson and Diaby. And as such, his fate will be sealed.

    Those players, especially Denilson and Diaby, will be the players that will ruin Wenger’s legacy or at least severely tarnish it. He just refuses to look at that area and judge it objectively and turns out to be his undoing season after season. Hard to prove I know, but that area is the killer of this team. Don’t know when to press, when to drop off, and lack work rate and concentration.

    • sachin 17 April, 2010 at 01:37 Log in to Reply

      regarding the first statement. Ofcourse next year is the decisive one. Last year Wenger asked to be judged in….2011 :)

      So fans are kindly requested to hold their judgement until then. And any suffering that comes with that wait until judgement day is called part and parcel of being a fan :)

      Like Kiwi mentioned above, the upcoming AGM in may should be fun. Will it happen? and will fans be allowed to say anything?

    • Mazza 17 April, 2010 at 08:18 Log in to Reply

      Just seen that Nipuna has already covered this. Sorry Nip ;)

      • nipuna 17 April, 2010 at 12:28 Log in to Reply

        No problem, I am not claiming any copyright. ;)

        • armchairfan 17 April, 2010 at 13:16

          Don’t think anybody can claim copyright either. Those are AW’s post-season trademarked remarks ;)

  26. Kiwi 16 April, 2010 at 19:07 Log in to Reply

    “I find it laughable that some have all the answers for what players to keep and trade – most of the team, endless criticism for our manager, and board – I guess since you’ve been a fan for 200 years, there is a sense of entitlement.”
    ____________________

    Humour is good, a merry heart is good medicine. That aside, what’s your point Arse? And who wants to trade most of the team, or is that simply poetic license, ala Arsene, to dismiss the contrary views?

    • Mazza 16 April, 2010 at 20:41 Log in to Reply

      Arsene made me chuckle today talking about contracts, especially in relation to Fabregas.

      “He’s under contract”

      Yep, just like Henry was under contract, like Viera was under contract. Wenger himself has bought plenty of players who were under contract at their clubs.

      It’s that time again lads. Arsenal trophyless again and Wenger rails against the world, making a tit of himself.

      • sachin 17 April, 2010 at 01:47 Log in to Reply

        Wiltord’s was a most curious case as well. I don’t think Bordeaux were too happy.

  27. Kiwi 16 April, 2010 at 18:57 Log in to Reply

    “Unless you are British and grew up in the UK, why the hell would you care about success the club had in 1970?”
    ____________________

    Stop thinking everyone sees the world through your eyes. We don’t.

    Just because the US didn’t ‘discover’ soccer and the EPL until relatively recently doesn’t mean the EPL was off-radar. You’re very ignorant on this point. The EPL has been massively popular for a long long time for folk interested in football.

    And history and the aura that surrounds past successes and great eras does matter – whether you recognise that or not is largely irrelevant.

    • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 22:42 Log in to Reply

      maybe to you, but in 1970 or even 1980, it did not get virtually ANY coverage elsewhere in the world.

      results in England 40 YEARS AGO, have ZERO relevance to TODAY.
      its ANCIENT HISTORY.

      don’t let that fact bother you.

      • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 14:45 Log in to Reply

        THAT IS YOUR FUCKING OPINION, NOT FACT! Jesus Christ! Just cause you say its fact doesn’t make it so. If I think that they have relevance, than to me they do. And if they have relevance to me, then that means your point is a fucking opinion, not a fact.

  28. arsesession 16 April, 2010 at 17:52 Log in to Reply

    sorry not to reply under someone’s above comment…

    1st Arsene is ‘on the money’ for his remarks about the Spanish league. Because Real and Barca control their own tv rights – the other clubs can’t compete financially and most are in severe debt.

    Do you have a large balance on your credit card……what if the bank gave you 30 days to resolve the entire balance……that day is fast approaching everyone in this sport.

    In the Spanish 2nd division – NONE of their players were paid last year! NONE…..Strike looks imminant in La Liga. The 3rd place team in La LIga is 24 points behind Real / Barca – Arsene’s is stating the league is not as competitive as the Premiere League AND ITS NOT.

    Last season, Henry, Messi, and Eto had over 100 goals…….that should speak volumes about the disparity in la liga quality.

    By the way, in our last financial reporting, Arsenal reported profits of $29 mil pounds. If we had not sold Ade and Toure the club would have showed a loss. ( check out Tony’s article on Untold Arsenal).

    I find it laughable that some have all the answers for what players to keep and trade – most of the team, endless criticism for our manager, and board – I guess since you’ve been a fan for 200 years, there is a sense of entitlement.

    This season we added 1 player – Vermaelen. With the impact of Song, Diaby, Nasri, Bendtner, and at times from Denilson, Eboue, and Ramsey – our season gave us hope.

    I’m sure our manager, if the funds are available, will fortify our roster and trade others whose time has come.

    • CaribKid 16 April, 2010 at 19:05 Log in to Reply

      Sorry to burst your bubble Arsession, those numbers were for the 1st 6 months of the financial year and was net profit. Secondly, this did not include money which will be received from CL and EPL TV rights. That also included all the players signed to long term deals with salary increases.

      Do you realize how much money we wasted by resigning Denilson, Almunia, Mannone, Theo, and a few other non-contributors to higher salaries.

      • Kiwi 16 April, 2010 at 19:11 Log in to Reply

        You’re not allowed to get into the substance CK. Stick to the overarching theme – Arsene Knows and supporters are there to nod.

        • Fred 16 April, 2010 at 22:20

          LOL!

    • CaribKid 16 April, 2010 at 19:10 Log in to Reply

      Also, please don’t mention Denilson and Ramsey in the same breath. In his short stay here he has displayed more nous than Denilson has for the past 2 years.

  29. nipuna 16 April, 2010 at 13:00 Log in to Reply

    CK or Art, can’t remember which one of you asked for tickets to any of the remaining Arsenal games.

    Le Grove has 5 spare ones for the Wigan game. Check out

    http://le-grove.co.uk/2010/04/16/guess-who-just-went-in-the-marmite-pot-hear-about-the-funny-afc-call-i-had/

    • arthur3sheds 17 April, 2010 at 06:11 Log in to Reply

      Nipuna how did you get me mixed up with CaribKid? In your mind do we bear a resemblance? ;-)

      As for those tickets. I dislike Geoff as much most dislike Myles Palmer. I would do not do business.

      Nice article though written by Pedro. When I read the beginning it makes me wonder if they Geoff and Pedro are in a Civil Partnership :-o

  30. DaAdminGooner 16 April, 2010 at 12:48 Log in to Reply

    From the world of politically correct news came this tidbit –

    Golfer Ian Poulter, an Arsenal fan, is getting flack for the following tweet –

    “Not talking football after being beat by the yids.”

    He was forced to issue an apology and retraction.

    Come on really? First anyone who follows football in the UK knows exactly whom he is talking about and knows there is no racial element to that. It was cracked in the hid politically correct American followers.

    Bah – idiots I tell ya. Sometimes I wonder why I bothered to serve in the Navy

    • ChicagoGooner 16 April, 2010 at 14:05 Log in to Reply

      Agree DAG. Anyone who knows about English football knows that “Yid” has become a self-applied term by Spurs fans. Hell, their hooligan firm is even called the “Yid Army”. The origins of the term may be anti-Semitic, but in a football context the word lost all of that probably 50-60 years ago.

  31. nipuna 16 April, 2010 at 10:36 Log in to Reply

    Here it comes, it didn’t take too long.

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-are-close-to-winning-a-trophy

    “Next year is decisive, we will win a trophy next year”.

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-need-defensive-reinforcements

    “We need defensive reinforcements, but we won’t kill any of our players”.

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-injuries-have-hit-us-hard

    “Injuries have hit us hard”.

  32. nipuna 16 April, 2010 at 09:55 Log in to Reply

    I don’t think Arsenal were ever in the title race. It was simply a case of Chelsea and ManU screwing it up that gave Arsenal the illusion that they are in it. Mind you, it did not mean that Arsenal could never win it, but simply that the chances were very remote. So us not making it should not be a surprise.

    Deep inside, I don’t know how many of us ever thought we would win it. I doubt it was too many. But when the # of remaining games reduced and we were still in it with a shot, albeit a long shot, I guess we were simply too excited about it. Maybe that is why we are so disappointed.

    Agreed ManU and Chelsea may not able to spend too much in the future. But cast your mind back to the summer. How much did either team spend? Chelsea spent 17M on Zhirkov and some free transfers. ManU spend 16M on Valencia after having sold Ronaldo for 80M.

    The argument you keep hearing is that Chelsea and ManU are old, so they will get worse. That is as simplistic an argument as the one which says that our kids will get better because they are a year older. If that were the case, Sendy would be a LOT better than Campbell, wouldn’t it?

    The other argument is that we will do better next year, so we will win it. Really? Wasn’t that what we said in 07-08 as well? What happened? Oh, Hleb and Flamini left, but no one will be allowed to leave this time. Really? Gallas anyone? Arshavin could be another. Yeah, they may struggle to do well elsewhere, but what does it matter if Arsenal end up suffering.

    Finally, injuries. Now this is one area, nothing can be done. We can keep on saying that IF everyone was fit, we would be top, but that is simply not the case with Arsenal. If your car tire keeps getting punctured, you keep another spare. If they still get punctured, you get new tires.

  33. DaAdminGooner 16 April, 2010 at 09:02 Log in to Reply

    As for Cesc – again Stag I will wager this site on it – Arsenal will not sell nor will the entertain offers for Fabregas this year.

    Your conjecture of 75 million GBP is never going to happen. Why? Well first off, as good as Cesc was, he was injured too much and there also a lot of games where he wasn’t so good. At best he is worth 40 million.

    Say what you will about John Cross but I will place his hunches up against your speculation any day of the week. John has spent years covering the team and is one of the most objective writers covering football. He calls it like it is. He is an Arsenal beat writer and as such has much more insight than either you and will have in all our years of fandom.

    Every player in the world is going to be linked to City – why because they have money and it only makes sense that they will try and buy a new team to replace the one they bought last season.

    Barca I believe likely did make a pledge to respect Arsenal’s desire to keep Cesc. I don’t think they expected Peter Hill-Biden to open his mouth about it. I bet the conversation was – don’t go after Cesc. He’s staying at London. Fine, but we’re still going to mention it in our Presidential campaigns because our fans expect it.

    Please not the gentleman refuting Peter Hill-Wood’s claim is himself running for Barca President.

    Real and Inter for Cesc – Not going to happen in this or any other lifetime.

    • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 13:39 Log in to Reply

      You can “speculate” all you want…
      but your specualation and John Cross’s… even if he knows more than some people about the club, doesn’t mean shit.
      He doesn’t know Cesc and his family. And even if he did, why would they give him insight into their plans.

      First Hill-Wood SLAPS Cesc with his idiotic comments.

      Then WENGER spews his shit… that Cesc shouldn’t go to Spain, because essentially … the SPANISH LEAGUE SUCKS.
      Wenger said its a two team league, and the rest are Mickey Mouse clubs.

      I have heard by more than a few folks on this site say HOW WONDERFUL the SPANISH LEAGUE IS… Well, Wenger says it SUCKS!
      (paraphrasing, but there can be no mistake)

      So Hill-Wood insults Cescs ability, and Wenger insults the Spanish League. I’d say, as an observer, these are DESPERATE MEN, trying to keep Cesc here at any cost.

      It seems like its backfiring and they are making poor comments, and making things worse.

      If Cesc stays another year.
      GREAT.
      Seriously. That’s GOOD for the club.
      But you might be shocked if he goes, and if the price is very high, or if the board TAKE THE MONEY…
      but I sure as hell won’t.
      I’ve seen the best players the club has EVER HAD, both Captains… SOLD.

      At Arsenal, anything is possible.

      • ChicagoGooner 16 April, 2010 at 14:03 Log in to Reply

        “He doesn’t know Cesc and his family”.
        ——————————————–
        And you do?

        • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 14:53

          OF course NOT.
          That’s MY POINT.
          NOBODY DOES, so why the hell should I take John Cross’ opinion as GOSPEL?
          Its not worth much more than mine, or anyone elses on the site.

        • Kiwi 16 April, 2010 at 19:13

          Really, I’d think the thoughts of someone who gets to speak and listen to Arsene and who have proven themselves sensible are relevant.

        • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 22:49

          Doesn’t mean they know what Cesc is doing, what his family wants him to do, and what Arsenal FC would do if presented with a massive transfer fee.

          Your opinion can be relevant.

    • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 14:56 Log in to Reply

      DAG:
      and so, if Cesc gets sold this Summer, you’ll shut the site down?
      You said you’d wager the site on it?
      Please don’t. We like the site.

      ENTERTAIN OFFERS?
      I am fairly certain they already have received offers for Cesc Fabregas.
      Virtually EVERY player worth anything is “inquired” about.

      • Fred 16 April, 2010 at 22:11 Log in to Reply

        Stag, you are such a donkey! You literally lose ALL predictions you make.

        Infact I would wager with you $500 now that Fabregas will not leave this summer.

        Money due at the closing of the transfer window this September.

        I have paypal :-)

        • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 22:47

          asswhipe.
          I never said he’d get sold.
          Though it is a distinct possibility.
          You don’t have to like it, but it is.
          Recent history of Arsenal shows it.

          Because Hill-Wood or Wegner says he isn’t going or is under contract, means sweet-feck-all.

          If he stays, good for the team.
          If he’s SOLD, good for the Arsenal Football Club.

          Either way, its a win.

          I predict you stay on the site as a key contributer.
          Hopefully, I’ll lose this one too.

  34. DaAdminGooner 16 April, 2010 at 08:55 Log in to Reply

    Chelsea’s commerical success is down to their recent US tours. That and Roman’s investment to secure a winner. It is nothing more than that.

    Arsenal were content keeping their brand in the UK. They are the last of a home run board. It obviously looks likely that in the next year or so that could change. Though, I am not sure a takeover is immenent. Bracewell-Smith’s shares are at an inflated price that neither Kroenke or Usmanov want to pay. So who really knows. And frankly, Stan’s purchase of the Rams may stall his involvement in Arsenal. Frankly, Stan purchasing the Rams makes me question his business acumen but that is another conversation.

    Ivan Gazidis is tasked with moving the Arsenal brand more globally. It is why many of the recent marketing executives brought have large, big brand experience and from outside the UK. Ivan, was instrumental in getting the US version of the site up. He was key in driving the Manager’s e-mail and Arsenal eNewsletter. But he also hasn’t lost site of where the club has come from – he sensing that the Emirates was devoid of any link to the club’s heritage presided over the Arsenalisation of the Emirates.

    From the business stand point the club is moving in the right direction. Of that it cannot be denied. But fans are not concerned about that – or at least most of you lot aren’t. However, ask any Liverpool fan or United fan and right now they’s probably like a little of the business side to be in a good place. But again I digress.

    Personally, and I may be on the minority here, I am glad the financials of the club are sound. I agree with the pundits who project that clubs carrying huge debt amounts or are not able to make a profit will slowly begin to be crippled by that debt. It will limit what they can do on and off the pitch. We are already starting to see it. Liverpool unless they are sold and the debt is eradicated will only be able to bring players in if they sell. The funds don’t exist to just buy somoene whilly nilly. To some extent that is the case for United. Unless both of these clubs are free of their debt every year you will see that they can do less and less.

    I am glad that that will not be the case with Arsenal. The lean years (trophy wise) have been difficult and Arsene may be a victim of his own success. But I believe it takes time to nurture the young talent he has. If he had listened to the fans last season both Song and Diaby would be gone. And while Diaby still is not a complete player he is improving more than he is regressing and Song – well Song’s importance to the team and his improvement lie in how ineffective we are in holding the midfield with his absence.

    Sure there are players that need to go but overall the direction Arsene and the board have taken is prudent. They have sacrificed trophies for setting themselves up for a run of success down the track. In sports it is often hard for fans to get behind “rebuilding” – why? Because we are all Veruca Salt and we “want it now!” Not that there is anything wrong with that but I think it forces us to ignore the big picture.

    This year looks like it will end short of winning trophies. When the season is over, many will have said Arsene has lost the plot. Hell most of you already are. Many of the press seemed to have that story lined up.

    With regard to that I will ask you all these couple of questions:

    1. Up until the losses at Barca and Spurs – did Arsenal have a realistic chance of winning silverware. Mind you I am not asking you for what you thought. But given their position in both competitions did they have a realistic chance of winning silverware?

    2. Who got them into that position?

    2a. Who was the glue that kept the team together?

  35. Kiwi 16 April, 2010 at 05:48 Log in to Reply

    The stadium project was massive and consuming. As I understand it the project came in on budget and in reasonable time – that is incredible. Truly, that is a rarity and I think the Managing Director of the time (Keith Edelman) deserves a lot of credit. He is a largely uncelebrated figure yet what happened under his watch was superb.

    I can well understand that during this time, particularly the build phase, the refinancing of the debt, the redevelopment of Highbury phase, and the early initial years at The Emirates the club would understandably be very tentative. That time has now passed and the way forward is looking clearer and brighter.

    Arsenal, to me, has been a well run club in many ways and yet I was amazed at how backward the commercial activities of the club were. It looked to me as though they were sitting on a goldmine of a brand and yet hadn’t worked out how to maximise the opportunity. This may be turning around, Gazidis may be a clever cookie in a commercial sense and he seems to have appointed some senior people in the commercial/marketing/legal areas. Hopefully this will see Arsenal move to challenge the likes of ManU, Liverpool, Real, Barcelona and AC Milan.

    I sometimes read that Chelsea are doing better commercially than Arsenal – I’m not sure on what grounds, yet that seems whacky to me. It can’t, or shouldn’t, be the case. Chelsea is a nothing London club that have propelled themselves into the limelight on the back of a massive infusion of the Russian states money. Their history is pathetic. Sure, a few kids will buy their shirts on the back of their recent success yet that will fade if they can’t maintain the winning. More particularly we should be well ahead of them commercially as long as…..

    ….we start to win something. Those people that think we can maintain or enhance our position as a top European club without winning trophies need a reality check. You must win frequently (not necessarily every year – but if you can wonderful). Style is lovely, values are lovely, yet it’s trophies in the cabinet that define a club. The Emirates was built to accommodate our support and generate revenue to mix it with the winners not the masses.

    • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 13:33 Log in to Reply

      Arsenal were a virtually NOTHING club in terms of winning until GG and more effectively ARSENE WENGER.

      So, you can trash Chelsea all you like, but they have arrived.
      I am sure their supporters don’t care.
      They sell shirts and merchandise all over the WORLD.

      and… they’re gonna win the domestic double.

      I don’t see the need to tear down other clubs, because our own isn’t winning trophies!
      But hey… that’s just me.
      ;)

      • ChicagoGooner 16 April, 2010 at 14:01 Log in to Reply

        A nothing club “in terms of WINNING” before Graham and Wenger??

        ARE YOU F**KING SERIOUS??

        When GG took over in 1986, Arsenal had 8 league titles (and 5 FA Cups). At that time, Man U had only 7 league titles so we were actually 2nd all-time back then, 1 spot better than we are now.

        You want to go further back? When we did the double in 1971, that was our 8th league title. At that time, Everton, Liverpool, and Man U all had 7, Villa and Sunderland had 6. So we were FIRST ALL-TIME at that point. It was not till ’73 that Pool tied us, and ’76 till they passed us.

        And you say we were a “nothing” club (and in terms of winning, no less)? If you still think that then you really are the most plastic fan there is.

        • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 17:49

          yes, lets go back into the the dark ages.

          Arsenal one 5 League Titles in the 1930s!
          WHO THE FECK CARES?!
          One in the 40’s, one in the 50’s.
          Does that excite a supporter today?
          So from 1950 to 1986, they won? twice?

          WHERE YOU WATCHING THEN?
          I wasn’t.
          Nobody was expect folks in England.

          Let’s talk about the MODERN ERA!

          Unless you are British and grew up in the UK, why the hell would you care about success the club had in 1970?

          Plastic fan.
          yes, you can try and define supporters however you like.
          that doesn’t make you a better fan than anyone else.
          but good try.
          I certainly don’t equate success in the 1930’s as meaning ANYTHING.

        • ChicagoGooner 17 April, 2010 at 14:40

          So I point out HARD EVIDENCE that condtradicts your claim, and you brush it away with “who cares”. I like that style of argument. I think I’ll use it- any time anyone uses real facts or evidence in an argument against me, I’ll just say “who cares”?

          Unlike you- the plastic fan- I do have respect for the club’s HISTORY and TRADITION. Did I see what the club did in the 1930’s? No, but I still respect it and as a Gooner I’m PROUD of it even if you aren’t.

  36. Andez 16 April, 2010 at 05:22 Log in to Reply

    If you look at boards with other clubs, many of them are working like a circus.

    You just look at how many managers other clubs have employed over the years. Since I started supporting Arsenal back in the mid 80s, I have only seen 3 different managers, and witnessing 5 league titles being won. Far more than I would ever dream of when I first followed the team.

    Our North London neighbour, I have lost counts how many of managers had taken charge for them during the same period of time. Title won – zero.

    In terms of stability, only Man U are better than us. That also explained why they are so successful over the years.

    Bottom line – changing things are far easier than stick to your plan. You need real vision and patient to TRUST the DECISION you originally MADE.

    Hill-Wood has been with the club for a long time. And under the current board, Arsenal have been a very steadily run club, well-organized. There’s nothing much we could ask for.

    The club are also ambitious. If you look at the new stadium, the fact is many clubs who had built a new stadium at the past had run into a deep financial problem. Southampton are a classic example.

    You can tell how carefully planned the Emirates project under the current board. First, they have ensured there’s full house almost every match. Unlike many clubs they built a stadium with a larger capacity than they could fill. Secondly, they also ensure we not only have a state of art stadium, but also the pitch. Just look at new Wembley.

    I do not know a thing about who should be the one to take credit for it. But clearly our club are under the safe hands of a group of professionals who do know what they are doing.

    • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 13:30 Log in to Reply

      Yes, Andez.
      And that is EXACTLY the plan they intended, and continue to wish to carry out.
      FINANCIAL STABILITY.
      REDUCED DEBT ON NEW STADIUM.
      FILLING THE STADIUM EVERY MATCH.
      SUCCESSFUL ON THE PITCH = TOP 4 EVERY YEAR.

      That is THE GOAL.
      They have accomplished ALL those goals.
      They know exactly what they are doing, and do it well…

  37. joshuad 16 April, 2010 at 01:43 Log in to Reply

    Hill-Wood is an assclown. He’s bad for Arsenal in so many ways. He’s the reason behind Dein’s departure as well as so many of the board no longer wanting to be involved with the club and selling their shares. He was the one mouthing off about how “we don’t need their kind”. The term “douche-bag” seems very appropriate. We’ve got our very own Joe Biden.

    • Kiwi 16 April, 2010 at 01:58 Log in to Reply

      Boards are funny things. You tend to have 1 or 2 influencial members. In the past it was Hillwood and Dein and it worked. Hillwood seemed to represent the old school (who owned the majority of the shares) and Dein provided the impetus and vision. Then Dein was marginalised and we lost a lot.

      Now we’ve got over the stadium hump we need to get the impetus/vision thing happening again. It seems to me the Board has been largely ineffective in providing this since Dein left. Sachin was right, Dein ‘gave’ a lot of free time and energy to the club. We miss that. I haven’t seen anything from Gazidis to suggest he can foot it with Wenger.

      • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 13:27 Log in to Reply

        OK, you seem to be under the assumption that the board is doing something … wrong?
        They probably don’t feel like things are going wrong or bad in any sense.
        The CLUB MAKES PROFIT EVERY SEASON!!!
        The debt has been massively reduced. On the field we are Top 4 EVERY YEAR.
        We sell out the stadium and have 40,000 waiting for the chance!

        It is NOT about winning trophies for the AFC.
        That is the point.

  38. armchairfan 16 April, 2010 at 01:36 Log in to Reply

    On the bright side, Stan’s other teams, Nuggets and Avalanche made it to playoff ;)

  39. sachin 16 April, 2010 at 01:09 Log in to Reply

    Kiwi, I can’t say for others but for me there is nothing more to say than what has not been said already. There have been some false cheery dawns but overall the same ugly truth persists. And then every transfer window, I get suckered into hoping that finally common sense will prevail and competence will displace the averageness that exists only to find that despite 1 tiny move, nothing changes.

    Twisting the title of the new Oliver Stone movie Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps, I would say Arsenal Football Club: Money always sleeps. The board make a profit and use it on what? The club? No! If I not mistaken then David Dein was the only director to spend money from his own pocket on Arsenal. The manager has money to spend on….contract extensions. Yes, money should be saved and not spent foolishly but does it make sense to spend more money on contract extensions on players whose market value is less than what Arsenal is paying them. I am tempted to use the word negative equity to apply to these players but that term does not make much sense here. Basically, Arsenal are investing more money on some players who will not yield them any dividends on the field or off it when the club wants to trade them in the future. Someone should subtract these these virtual losses from the actual profit made by transfers.

    On the positive side.. Arsenal have been written off the title chase twice already when they fell 11 and 9 points behind. So in this sense, this latest set back of 6 points does not seem that bad :) Now that the pressure is off, the team can freely go into a long winning streak. Only problem is that there are just 4 games left but hey that’s a technicality.

    And Wenger saying that Spurs should show consistency against Chelsea is amusing/sad. Doesn’t Wenger know that Spurs only have 2 games to play for every year? If Spurs lost 36/38 games in a season, got relegated with the worst ever points total, but managed to beat and tie Arsenal in the two games, most Spurs fans will consider that as a great season. Expect Lasagna to be on the menu for Spurs Friday night.

    • Kiwi 16 April, 2010 at 01:48 Log in to Reply

      Nice to hear from you Sachin. What you say makes a lot of sense to me.

      It’s sobering when you realise that the off-season transfer window offers Arsenal supporters nothing. All you can do is sit back and watch the same thing unfold…. injuries, crocks, the squad growing thinner. Then when it really matters in the really big games there’s nothing just the same gushing excuses about what an incredibly bad year it has been for injuries.

      Next season will come around and we’ll play it all again. Wenger can’t lose. The belief thing is like a cult.

      The only thing May offers Arsenal supporters is a bit of fun at the AGM ;-)

      • sachin 16 April, 2010 at 02:39 Log in to Reply

        I haven’t checked but I keep thinking there won’t be an AGM. Or if there is one, it will be very controlled where people might be asked to submit their questions in advance so that the agenda can be kept on track :)

        When things happen once, you can make excuses for that. But when they repeat often, it is a pattern. Last season against Man Utd in the CL first leg, I couldn’t help but think how lucky Arsenal were to get away by only losing 1-0. But then in the second leg before half-time (or even before 15 min), the score-line made up for the first leg escape. Same thing this year with Barca but only a round earlier. The first leg was a let-off for Arsenal but the first half in the 2nd leg ended the contest.

        Injuries excuse, yes. Player mistakes excuse, yes. But end result = same.

  40. Mazza 15 April, 2010 at 21:20 Log in to Reply

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/sunsport_columnists/2934345/Buy-now-Arsene-or-its-bye-bye.html

    • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 22:02 Log in to Reply

      Health warning: optimists to consult their medical professional before reading.

    • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 22:54 Log in to Reply

      Well, alot of what the writer states… is true.
      Hell, me and a few others have said it repeatedly on THIS SITE. So, not a lot new, but succinctly and well written.

      However, he does NOT take into account that the way Arsene does business, is absolutely ENDORSED and LOVED by the board and club.

      I HIGHLY DOUBT they will fire Wenger, not now, not next year… not until the team drops from the Top 4.
      Why would they?
      What is the actual plan or ambition of the club? We don’t know for sure, but from what we’ve seen over the past 5 years, it is EXACTLY what Wenger has produced.

      FILLED STADIUM every week.
      40,000 fans on the waiting list! WOW. That’s great for business.
      We contend for titles, and we make a lot of money… and we’ve reduced the debt by half!?!
      That’s FANTASTIC news… and Wenger is part of the reason why.

      Hoping for another good season next year… maybe Wenger will bring in a few players, and that would be nice, but its not that important in the long-term picture. Just another top 4 finish, good brand of exciting football, and a shot at a trophy is what the fans need & want. 60,000 a week, with another 40,000 on a waiting list!
      I think that says a lot, and it gives the club all the lee-way they need to do whatever they believe is good for the AFC.

      Go Arsenal.

      • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 23:03 Log in to Reply

        All good until you suggest we contend for titles or trophies.

        That hasn’t happened since 2004 (EPL) or 2005 (mega-ugly FAC win).

        Wenger’s lost the winning touch. It happened at Monaco it’s repeating. He wins trophies, gets himself secure, then experiments and it all turns to pot.

        • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 13:18

          CONTEND = in the hunt for the trophy.

          We were THIS year in the league.
          We were two years ago in the league, and ummm we were in a CL FINAL.

          Contend. We do that almost every year.

  41. Mazza 15 April, 2010 at 20:58 Log in to Reply

    By the way, how much of a complete idiot is Peter Hill Wood? What a foot-in-mouth old toff he is, like our version of Prince-Phillip.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2934390/Cesc-fury-at-Hill-Wood-slip.html

    • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 22:42 Log in to Reply

      this is some brilliant stuff…
      Cesc isn’t good enough to get into Barcelona’s team… says HILL-WOOD!
      Wow.
      What a slap in your best players face.

      If he has a good WC, he can say… yeah, ummm, not only am I good enough, but if you don’t increase my salary, I want outta this corporate monstrosity!

      • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 23:05 Log in to Reply

        He’s 100% correct in everything he says. Notwithstanding that, it was ill-advised and is being used by the media to beat him with. LOL

        • stag133 16 April, 2010 at 13:15

          I disagree.
          I KNOW Cesc could get plenty of playing time at Barcelona.

  42. Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 20:19 Log in to Reply

    Interesting analysis.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/apr/15/arsenal-spurs-robin-van-persie

  43. Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 20:08 Log in to Reply

    Have we progressed in a meaningful way this season?

    You can answer a question like that in many ways and use many stats to support your bias.

    Interesting however that we have lost almost every game we played against a ‘major’ team. ManU, Chelsea, Barca, ManC, Spurs (W 1, D 1, L 8). If you argue the toss over Spurs inclusion you take away the only win ;-)
    Liverpool would normally be included in that analysis yet they are badly off the pace this year in the league and have been pushed below the likes of ManC and Spurs.

    So, whilst we’ve become more efficient at getting results against lesser sides (which is good, very good if we can sustain that next season) we seem to have become even less capable of getting results against the better teams. This latter decline is concerning because you could also draw the observation that we seem to fail on the big occasions – so not only against the big teams but on big occasions – hence what has become our appalling inability to win a cup.

    • Mazza 15 April, 2010 at 20:47 Log in to Reply

      This team/squad is patently not good enough to the extent that we can expect linear improvement season on season. We fly by the seat of our pants in too many games and the overall impression is that we’re ‘chancers’. By that I mean we give the impression of team that bluffs it to a large extent, which in no doubt is largely due to our great team spirit.

      I don’t read anything into who we got results against and who we didn’t. This is all manifestations of a team that isn’t good enough/mentally ready to win major prizes. I’m sure next season it will be more like 08/09, beat United and Chelsea and lose to the mid table teams. It’s all neither here nor there really.

      • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 21:37 Log in to Reply

        I like your point Maz about linear improvement. Arsene tries to sell the idea that by adding one good player (like Vermaelen) and relying on young players developing we can incrementally improve. And ultimately hey presto we win a title.

        I’ve long been sceptical as to whether that will ever be enough to get us across the line. Ironically this season may have been a possibility if our inherrent flaws didn’t undo us… again.

        It’s just expecting way too much to go our way.

        Where are all the happy crowd? ;-)

        • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 22:38

          I think perhaps they don’t understand the long-term plan, or maybe they think the defeat to Spurs was a big shock?

        • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 22:58

          Perhaps. Or perhaps they’re silent because there’s nothing to cheer about.

          I’ve noticed that for most of the season the site has been pretty quiet. DAG has the stats but I’m guessing that posting traffic increased markedly only quite recently as our chances looked to have improved.

          So for the most part the cheery cherubs slink in the background.

  44. Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 19:54 Log in to Reply

    …hello, is anybody here?

  45. DaAdminGooner 15 April, 2010 at 15:37 Log in to Reply

    First of all the fucking idiotic news of the day comes this:

    Small time Spurs have brought out a DVD of last night’s 2-1 Premier League win over Arsenal.

    Harry Redknapp’s men took less than 24 hours to release a DVD of an ‘unforgettable night’, in which they describe Jermain Defoe as ‘unstoppable leading the line’ – despite being largely anonymous for 90 minutes.

    Also I’d like to say this –

    Of course Barca have said bullshit to Hill-Wood. They have a Presidential election coming up and frankly the centre piece of any Presidental candidates platform is going to be to promise to bring Cesc home. If they were have shown to agree to that it would kill who ever the candidate is. Hill-Wood was a little premature likely in making that announcement.

    Man City is NOT in the running for Cesc for two reasons – 1. It’s the bloody News of the World Rag leading with the story of it. 2. Cesc wouldn’t go there and Arsenal wouldn’t sell there.

    Real are only mentioned as suitors for Cesc because it would be a great thorn in the side of Barca if he came there. Problem is – Cesc is a catalan and that trumps his playing for a side out of Madrid.

    This link to an article by John Cross (someone who has spent more time with Arsene and knows him much better than anyone on this site can even try to) pretty much says all you need to know about the Cesc to Barca saga:

    http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/john-cross/Why-I-believe-Arsene-Wenger-when-he-says-Cesc-Fabregas-is-staying-at-Arsenal-John-Cross-column-article392461.html

    • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 18:12 Log in to Reply

      so if Cesc has a great WC, and Real Madrid offer 75 Million…
      and the board say to Wenger, WE’RE TAKING IT, what’s he going to do?

      I don’t believe Arsene makes that decision.
      He can say he wants Kaka, but if the board say f-off, not a chance, its not happening.

      There will be LOTS of speculation about numerous Arsenal players in the Summer… and Cesc will be at the FOREFRONT of most.

      I don’t care what John Cross, or Kris – Kross has to say about it… none of them control the club.

      I will sit back and enjoy the silly season all Summer, it will be fun, as it always is.

      We have to dream with the Arsenal, because we know they sell the best players, and rarely buy them.
      Arsene wants to make them, so when he sells them, its a massive profit.

      LONG MAY IT LAST.

  46. stag133 15 April, 2010 at 15:10 Log in to Reply

    yes, so Vermaelen and Gallas are done.
    Its Sol and Syl on the run in.
    I think ManCity could take us with those two at the back,
    and Tevez, Bellamy, and Ade running wild.

    But, no matter, our top 4 slot is secure.
    Get well Verma…
    ———-
    Barcelona have said BULLSHIT to the idea that they
    won’t come after Cesc!
    I hope they enter the bidding war with ManCity and Real Madrid…
    and the price just skyrockets!!!!
    Just need Cesc to play and have a good WC… I would love
    to see him play on that stage…

    RVP being back and looking OK, means he could also have an
    impact at the WC, and he too could draw interest from teams.

    I think he’s our most talented / gifted striker by far…
    but he is very injury prone… if the price is right in the
    Summer, it would be hard not to cash in on him… and make a
    good bit of profit… hopefully Chamakh and Bendy can click.

  47. DaAdminGooner 15 April, 2010 at 12:16 Log in to Reply

    UPDATES on the arsenal injury front are now on the updated Injury News tab.

    Vermaelen is done for the season.

    • ChicagoGooner 15 April, 2010 at 12:54 Log in to Reply

      Well of course he’s out for the season. We got RVP back. Anytime a player comes in from the treatment table, one of equal value to the team must go in the opposite direction.

  48. ChicagoGooner 15 April, 2010 at 11:42 Log in to Reply

    I agree with the letters in the F365 mailbox that this team lacks balls. To quote one, “we’ve got Bendtner and nine midfielders trying to find a perfect pass that might make Xavi proud,” rather than just shooting the goddamn ball! We lack the balls to win big games. In our toughest 9 games of the year so far: Chelsea, Barca, Man U (home and away), plus Spurs, City, and Porto away, we have 0 wins, 1 defeat, and 8 losses!

    This reminds me of something I was telling my friends awhile ago. For about the last 2-3 years now, a group of my friends have watched Arsenal games with me, only when the games are on TV though. They’re not Arsenal fans and some aren’t really football fans either. Now, for Arsenal to be on TV in the US, it’s got to be a big game. And we always lose those. So one of these guys is under the impression that Arsenal is a bottom-feeder team. He says to me, “man your team sure looses A LOT.” And I said, “No, they really don’t- they only loose important games.” I think this was during the 07/08 year, and I said it in jest but it is SO TRUE.

    • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 15:05 Log in to Reply

      We have players trying to play Wenger’s way.
      Without the skill level of Barcelona, its not easy to do.

      No, we didn’t really beat any BIG teams this year, or win important games.
      Very true. And I have the same experience with bringing non-soccer folks to watch “the big game”, and we always lost this year, so the perception is, we aren’t very good!

      It is all so good when the passing game goes well, we dominate. But, against better opposition, it isn’t going to be that easy or straightforward.

      Chelsea let us have the possession, and don’t allow us real chances, United can play us any way they want to, and Barcelona absolutely KILLED us by playing our style, which is their style, and we couldn’t even touch the ball.

      But that is who we are, and where the club are right now.
      We aren’t at the top level, and we don’t have the players to get to that top level at the moment. Either the younger players will continue to improve / develop, or we will remain where we are now.
      Competitive, making money, in the CL every year.
      ONLY the fans can change it by not showing up and buying merchandise, which is very unlikely, or the board will have to decide to switch from the Wenger model, which isn’t happening very soon.

  49. Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 02:44 Log in to Reply

    If you are looking for trophies every season, I think perhaps
    you should be supporting another team. We are about higher ideals.
    ___________________________

    Every season? How about once in 5 years?

    What exactly are the higher ideals? I’ve never cottoned on to that concept. Do you know? Or is it a useful nothing line to add weight to your new found faith? ;-)

    • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 02:47 Log in to Reply

      For the record like many long-term supporters I’ve supported and followed Arsenal much longer than Arsene and will do so long after he stops drawing his multi-million pound package. So get a bit of perspective.

    • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 14:26 Log in to Reply

      Once in 5 years, well, that can happen, we just need a bit of luck, a good bounce in a big game, a refereeing decision, and key players to stay healthy.

      Higher Ideals = not “BUYING” a title like the rich teams do. We aren’t rich, so we have to make it happen with shrewd business, and playing a different style of football than our EPL competitors.
      Wenger wants to play GOOD FOOTBALL, pretty, finesse… attractive to the eyes… while also holding the line financially and not breaking the bank.

      Higher Ideals in Wenger’s mind… a certain style, flair, and without spending large sums to bring in star players.
      —–

      Yes, that’s nice… I supported the club pre-Arsene as well… but he’s the best manager we’ve ever had.
      He is Le Boss, and until he steps down or is fired, he has all the backing of the board, as he’s making the club great sums of money, and keeping us competitive at the same time.
      – THAT IS THE ARSENAL PLAN –
      So, you can either embrace it, until something changes… or be angry, frustrated and bitter every year when we don’t beat the ManU’s and Chelsea’s and Barcelona’s of the world…
      because we frankly are not trying to compete at their level.

      • ChicagoGooner 15 April, 2010 at 16:29 Log in to Reply

        We aren’t rich, so we have to make it happen with shrewd business, and playing a different style of football than our EPL competitors.
        —————————————-
        Wrong. We are very, very rich. Our style is by choice, not necessity.

        • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 18:04

          Rich in comparison to MOST teams in England, but compared to ManU, Chelsea, ManCity, and bigger teams in other leagues, we are NOT willing to spend money or go into DEBT like they do regularly, to compete.

          So, if you factor that in, they we don’t LOSE money, we are not competing with the BIG teams who are trying to win trophies.

          We are playing a different game in a different way.

  50. stag133 15 April, 2010 at 01:47 Log in to Reply

    Spurs are not a bad team.
    They are in the hunt for 4th or 5th, not many points
    behind Arsenal.
    They were playing at home, against Arsenal, who were missing
    KEY players.
    A 2-1 loss is not really that unexpected, when HOME TEAMS DOMINATE
    in the EPL this season.

    Missing Cesc, Song, Arshavin,… Vermaelen goes off after 20.
    Not a shocking result.
    We just weren’t good enough today.

    It’s OK.
    Yes, we can’t win the league… but it has been a good season.
    Lots of excitement, players have gained confidence & experience.
    Song emerged, Vermaelen has been great, Sol came back and can still play, Bendtner had a decent season, Nasri stepped up…
    There were / are some good things that went on.

    We still are in 3rd, with a chance at 2nd…
    and we made the Quarters of the CL, losing to the best team in
    the world.
    We sold out the stadium every match.
    We made massive profits in the off-season by selling Toure/Ade, and still improved in the standings.
    Wenger did it again, he kept us a competitive team, kept us in the CL,
    and the club did a good job financially, lowering the debt, and making profits.

    In terms of what the Arsenal Football Club is trying to do,
    it was a VERY GOOD YEAR.
    If you are looking for trophies every season, I think perhaps
    you should be supporting another team. We are about higher ideals.

    I’d like to see Arsene make a few adjustments, but he knows
    what he’s doing… he hasn’t changed much in the last 4 or 5 years,
    so I wouldn’t expect great change now.

    4 games left… and we can probably still take second.
    That would be a nice finish.

    Go Arsenal.

  51. Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 01:08 Log in to Reply

    …some comments dropped off DAG?

    • ChicagoGooner 15 April, 2010 at 01:15 Log in to Reply

      AH HA!!! So I’m not crazy! I thought maybe something was wrong with my connection and maybe my posts just didn’t actually get registered. OK, so someone else noticed too.

  52. nipuna 15 April, 2010 at 00:39 Log in to Reply

    The thing that amazed and angered me was that until RvP came on, our only shot on target was Sol’s fluke effort in the first two min !!!

    And Spurs are still conceding less than us. :(

    • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 01:16 Log in to Reply

      In one sense it’s hard to understand why this team exhibits such a lack of intensity until the last 10 min’s. Content to tap the ball around with little intent.

      On this occasion I would attribute some of this to the line-up, yet…. this is THE season climax. Where’s the desire? Where’s the spill blood? Or in Wenger-speak “go for it”.

      It’s one of the slightly bizzare characteristics of this team. We play a very latino (slow/dull) game for the most part and then seem to realise late-on that time is running out.

      • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 01:37 Log in to Reply

        latino = slow / dull?

        ummm, really.

        “SLUR”?

        • Kiwi 15 April, 2010 at 01:40

          often

        • stag133 15 April, 2010 at 14:19

          Aussies / New Zealanders = criminals?

          Italians = mafia?

          Irish = drunks?

          why not get everyone involved.
          ;)

  53. Mazza 14 April, 2010 at 20:59 Log in to Reply

    “I would not like to go into any individual criticism tonight.” Wenger said.

    “We lost a game we couldn’t afford to lose in the title race and that shows that we are not mature enough because if you want to win the League, this kind of game you cannot lose.”

    ROFL!!!!

    Yes, he is saying this, in 2010. He’s bringing out the old chestnut “we lacked little bit maturity”. Which actually means “I’ve nurtured a group of naive, daft, show ponies with no understanding of what it takes to win a league”.

  54. Kiwi 14 April, 2010 at 20:56 Log in to Reply

    Sol’s a fascinating case. In the lead up to leaving Arsenal he was in freefall. The Rock had become a crumbling substance. As Wenger said recently he had lost his motivation his goals his aspiration.

    What we now see is a refocused Sol who even at his advanced age and with a big body to carry around uses every ounce of his experience and nous to play a quality CB game. It shouldn’t work, he should be past it, yet we see it does work wonderfully. It proves again that assembling a winning squad is an art more than a science. You can’t ‘program’ that fusion of motivation, quality, experience in a 36 year old body. But you need enough of it in your squad to win. We don’t have enough.

    If this squad had a few more ‘Sol’s’ spread across the team we might have got across the line in this season of rare opportunity. Our ‘progress’ this season is as much to do with ManU and Chelsea jointly stumbling as it is about us rising to new heights. If we had truly risen to new heights we would be ahead of Chelsea and ManU and would have looked better in the big head-to-head clashes. Alas we have progressed but not nearly as much as we need to.

    But back to the ‘Sol’s’, if you accept Wenger’s MO and deep desire not to usurp his younglings then why doesn’t he give them a better shot at success? Why not add another couple of Sol-like signings in midfield and attack? Guys that can’t play every game, but who could do a ‘Sol’ and supplement the squad?

    I see Arsene all but conceded the race and said we weren’t mature enough. True enough, yet he could have added that he buggered their slim chances by picking an impotent starting line-up and not responding to going 2-0 down until 22 minutes before the end. Not to worry, he has achieved his goal, he’s got another shot at the CL next season and coming 3rd should keep the media and fan hounds from the door. Like Stag says, financially we’re ok for another year so the fractured board aren’t likely to place him under any pressure. Quite the opposite, they’ll likely offer him another 3 year contract to continue his/our long slow boat ride to China.

    • Mazza 14 April, 2010 at 21:05 Log in to Reply

      Sol will change though. Like Arshavin, he will sense the ‘loserness’ of the youngsters and start to feel above it all.

      Yep, Campbell will go from being incredibly grateful to get a second chance at Arsenal, and busting a gut, to probably getting complacent and realising how above everyone he is in terms of class and compsosure and knowing what’s needed to win. Then he will start to dip.

      You can sense it, it’s palpable. None of Wenger’s ex-players feel that this team can win things as the situation currently stands, and I can only imagine that’s even more pronounced to someone like Campbell, who is in the camp and living it.

  55. CaribKid 14 April, 2010 at 20:51 Log in to Reply

    MOTM = Sol Campbell.

    As Fred said above and I have been saying for 3 years, playing Denilson is like starting with 10 men. He is not a bad player, he’s just doesn’t add anything to the team. He tried 4 forward passes, all of which were intercepted.

    Almunia is Almunia, a 2nd tier GK who doesn’t even belong as a backup on our team. Inexplicably, if he had stood straight up with his 6′ 4″ frame he could have palmed the ball over the bar.

    Silvestre never was and never will be Arsenal class.

    The most amazing thing about this is Arsene’s inability to assess the talent or lack of talent at his disposal and the threadbare makeup of his team in certain positions. He has had 5 years to formulate this team and it’s still a hodgepodge of 7 AM’s, unfinished products, bad GK’s and only 1 Striker and DM. During this period of time, we could have signed a ton load of inexpensive complementary players like Kompany, Corluka, Bassong, Pavy, (Spurs Ruskie), Given, Friedel, Scwartzer, etc, etc, etc.

    I love their mentality and desire but just very angry at this time. What is even more amazing is that this squad has actually performed way above any of my pre-season expectations.

    • Mazza 14 April, 2010 at 21:00 Log in to Reply

      Heh, I’ve got the copyright or whatever on Denilson, I was the first! ;)

      • CaribKid 14 April, 2010 at 22:10 Log in to Reply

        The comedy of this affair is that Arsene is the sole architect of this team and he will live or die by their success or lack of.

        I am DEFINITELY NOT getting on the fire Arsene bandwagon but he definitely needs someone on his staff with a fresh outlook rather than rely on his “old school” henchmen in Bould, Rice and Primo Borac.

  56. Fred 14 April, 2010 at 20:31 Log in to Reply

    I completely agree with the sentiment that Arsenal will NEVER win anything again under Wenger. He just doesn’t have it in him.

    We are now descending to the level of Spurs.

    That is why I am terrified by the folks hating on Fabregas. When that guy leaves we are LITERALLY just like Spurs – not one bit better.

    In a few years, a good season would be finishing fourth and beating Spurs. Oh wait, thats what it already is!

    • ChicagoGooner 15 April, 2010 at 01:18 Log in to Reply

      He just doesn’t have it in him.
      ——————————————–
      Wrong. He definitely has it in him, he just chooses not to use it. The fact that he’s won 3 EPL’s, 4 FAC’s (and that includes 2 doubles and an unbeaten season) proves he has it.

      He is (or rather, has been for the last 5 or so seasons) making a conscious decision not to use “it”. There’s no way you can win all those trophies if you don’t have “it”. It’s just that now he is consciously deciding to pursue this moronic youth/tippy-tappy/finesse/never spend project instead of taking a pragmatic approach.

  57. Mazza 14 April, 2010 at 19:35 Log in to Reply

    Sol Campbell just shows the chasm between this lot and the guys back in 98-02-04.

    Just look at Sol Campbell and Diaby. The huge gulf in concentration, intensity and game intelligence is remarkable. Really shows up Wenger’s pampered generation and why they seem to eternally ‘learning’.

    • Fred 14 April, 2010 at 20:22 Log in to Reply

      EXACTLY!!!

      Campbell in his old age is in a completely different class from the nonsense we are churning out now.

      Most of these lot are just mediocre, pampered, lottery winners.

  58. Fred 14 April, 2010 at 18:58 Log in to Reply

    Funny how playing Denilson as a DM is pretty much like playing with 10 men. Whether he is there or not is ALWAYS irrelevant … a tactical and physical nonentity. Take him off and play with 2 CMs and it makes no difference to our defense. It actually adds to our attack!!

    But then again I have been saying this for TWO years straight. We are frequently playing with 10 men and we wonder why we struggle.

    I miss the days we had BITE!

  59. Fred 14 April, 2010 at 18:50 Log in to Reply

    1) I would like to ask all the Fabregas haters if they still undervalue the MAN now? Fabregas in this game would have pissed all over the mediocrity abundant in the midfields of both teams.

    2) A pity we had to lose our 11 year run this way, but lets face facts … a team that has Almunia, Silvestre and Denilson in their squad alone does not deserve to win the league. Imagine Almunia lifting the EPL trophy!

    3) This match kills once and for all the often-stated nonsense that Campbell is “slow”. Did you guys see that Gareth Bale break away in which Sol pretty much kept up with him THROUGH OUT??! That actually validates those stats showing that Sol is actually quite fast!!!
    Yet he was left out of the Barca games (for Silvestre and Song) because he was “too slow and elderly”. Nonsense!

    4) Another cliche killed today is the assumption that three days is not enough space between games, and that teams who play at the weekend and at midweek will be “tired”.
    Barcelona played us off the park at midweek and still spanked Madrid at the weekend AWAY.
    Chelsea hit Villa at the weekend and still rolled Bolton.
    Spurs played at the weekend and still got their result against us.
    We on the other hand had EIGHT days free. The lesson I guess is that we shouldnt sacrifice our FA cups.

    5) Funny how this season ends in the same predictable slow death sort of way … as we have been used to for the last 5 years. The only difference is that the other 2 teams messed up themselves thereby giving us the illusion that we were in a title race. In reality we had no chance of winning it. And we wouldnt have deserved it either.

    • Mazza 14 April, 2010 at 19:33 Log in to Reply

      Fabregas haters? Slight exaggeration

      He plays too advanced against the top teams, when he should be dropping back and dicating play Xavi style. He should be replacing idiots like Diaby.

      He would been great tonight regardless of position of course, but that’s a totally different scenario.

      • Fred 14 April, 2010 at 20:17 Log in to Reply

        Where ever he plays, as long as he plays we win this game 4-2.

        End of matter.

  60. Mazza 14 April, 2010 at 18:42 Log in to Reply

    I just want Wenger gone now. I know it’s the fiftieth time I’ve said this but I’m just so bored of Arsenal under him. It’s the same old shit over and over again.

    It doesn’t matter who he buys, because as long as we have idiots like Walcott, Eboue, Diaby, Denilson then it will all be irrelevant. And that’s the thing, Wenger is BOUND to those players. They’re not going anywhere. He will supplement AROUND them but the core of crapness will remain.

    So Arsene, please kindly leave. I would rather risk missing out on champions league football then go through this same old tedious predictable shit every year. As I first said FOUR YEARS AGO, we will never win anything under him again, and I remember then people thought I was crazy.

    Unfortunately for Arsene this is not tennis, you don’t get ranking points for consistency, you actually have to win things every now and then at Arsenal, so he can go off to Bastia or something and continue the youth fetish.

  61. Kiwi 14 April, 2010 at 18:38 Log in to Reply

    In Spurs we saw today the limits of their aspiration. Their aspirations have been diluted over the years from being a big-5 club who challenged for honours to their current state of a comfortable mid-to-big EPL club who aspire to the CL qualifying places and beating Arsenal.

    It struck me as rather sad, pathetic even.

    And yet the irony is Wenger is trying to dull down our aspirations to a similar level. We aspire, not to win the EPL, but to qualify for next seasons CL. In Spurs we see the result of declining aspirations and standards.

    • ChicagoGooner 14 April, 2010 at 21:02 Log in to Reply

      I think you’re being a bit harsh on Spurs, Kiwi. It’s not all their fault that their aspirations have shrunk. Since the inception of the EPL and CL (ie, since football became a rich club’s game), mid-size teams have been squeezed out. Winning the league used to be a very realistic goal for teams like Spurs, Everton, Villa, Newcastle, and (the old) Leeds. Now they’ve simply been priced out of the market. It’s not entirely their fault.

      Besides, they did win the Carling Cup (say what you will, but for a club that can’t realistically win the EPL/CL, it’s an achievement), also made it to the FA semis this year, and are challenging for a CL spot (not for the first time either).

      That last one is the most important, and I don’t think you can say that a team who wants to (and realistically can) qualify for the most glamorous club competition around has limited aspirations. Afterall, is that last part so different from Arsenal?

  62. Kiwi 14 April, 2010 at 18:27 Log in to Reply

    80 min’s of crap followed by 10 min’s of intensity, albeit all too late.

    Tactics:
    – Rosicky/Bendtner/Eboue looked awful on paper and on field. It’s not about them individually it’s the combo. Impotent.
    – After we went 2 down why didn’t we bring Walcott and RvP straight on? What was there to lose when we needed to score 3?

    Thoughts:
    – Another threadbare squad when it counts
    – Bendtner did score, not pretty, but then again we had 3 or 4 pretty shots from Robin that simply made the keeper look good.
    – Lovely touches from Robin, excellent free kick. But Wenger gave him too little time in the match.

    Ozi, you really don’t care that Robin is injury prone? The worst result for us is for Robin to ‘impress’ over the next (likely meaningless) 4 games and for Wenger to champion the return of our Messi. That will give him the excuse to do nothing and we’ll roll into next season eagerly awaiting the next van Persie breakdown “that we don’t care about”.

    I’d keep Robin too, but only as a ‘bonus’ player. Problem is Wenger won’t do that he’ll build our hopes around a guy who is awfully injury prone.

    • OziKenyan 14 April, 2010 at 18:48 Log in to Reply

      I don’t think you can have VP fit and not have him be at the centre of your team. I don’t think there’s any manager around who could do that unless they had the resources to have someone like Drogba or Eto’o as an alternative.

      I don’t think we will go another season without strengthening our CF options. This was our first season playing a one man at the top formation and Wenger who loves attacking will have seen that the likes of AA23 can be nothing but a stop-gap in that position (and barely a stop gap at that). I’m more scared of Eddie going on a blinder preseason before we have signed anyone than I am of VP playing well this last 4 games. If VP plays, he will play well and the talent will not surprise anyone. Wenger’s plans will remain unchanged. Someone else like Eddie doing well might. That I don’t want and I’m hoping to see Chamack sooner rather than later (pre WC). Not that I’ve seen too much of the player but it should be clear to everyone that we can’t quite have enough depth in that CF position.

      And based on the difference Bendy made when he came on when we didn’t have any CFs, and based on the upgrade from Bendy to VP today, I’m confident Wenger will at least try to strengthen. His stubbornness for the right player in the market though will never go away and it is only that or a lack of funds that can possible stop us from strengthening. As for right player, he has been after Chamakh for a while and market price shouldn’t be high with his contract situation.

      We can only wait and see I guess.

      • Kiwi 14 April, 2010 at 19:10 Log in to Reply

        … and if he keeps breaking down?

        How many seasons of breakdown does it take for a guy to be a bad risk?

  63. OziKenyan 14 April, 2010 at 18:08 Log in to Reply

    Well it was always going to be a tall order after the death stretch from Jan, but a bit sad to see us not push it till the end. RVP is something special! I don’t care how injury prone he is, you cannot not have room for a player like him in the squad.

    • arsesession 14 April, 2010 at 18:35 Log in to Reply

      Lucky goals tend to build belief and change momentum.

      Analyze all you want, point criticism at players and manager, but the injury situation was too large of a hurdle for the club.

      Vermaelen was just the icing on the cake.

      Lets hope Arsene learned something from the run in from CL and league play.

      Go Gunners!

      • OziKenyan 14 April, 2010 at 18:55 Log in to Reply

        I don’t get how that is a reply to my post… Unless you’re inferring from my statement that we didn’t push to the end (i.e- win the game today) and decide I’m throwing criticism at everyone from the board down to the ballboys. What have I analyzed?

        • Kiwi 14 April, 2010 at 19:09

          my thoughts too Ozi ;-)

        • arsesession 14 April, 2010 at 20:16

          Sorry Ozi,
          late in the day & other issues going on, it was obvious not a comment on your remarks……..

  64. ChicagoGooner 14 April, 2010 at 17:59 Log in to Reply

    GK was crap on the first goal. Defense was crap on the second. Attack was crap the WHOLE TIME that RVP was not in. I’ll be astounded if AW addresses 1 of those 3 problems.

    • OziKenyan 14 April, 2010 at 18:05 Log in to Reply

      Attack is going to be stregthened with Chamack I think at least. Wenger after this season’s experiments should realize that VP and Bendy are the only 2 he has and one is not in the league of the other. Chamack should come in.

      Dfense I’d bet money that we’re going to get someone at the least in. Hopefully Vermaelen’s twin brother.

      GK is the most imp one I think and I really hope that he addresses that. I do have hope though after the alleged attempts during the Jan window to strengthen.

  65. nipuna 14 April, 2010 at 17:55 Log in to Reply

    10 years we don’t lose to the scum and one of the biggest games in 6 seasons, this happens !!!

    Right now, everything hurts. :(

  66. macmac123 14 April, 2010 at 17:47 Log in to Reply

    2-1 Bendtner. Last 10 mins of course. Can we salvage a draw?

    So nice to Van P. back in action.

  67. macmac123 14 April, 2010 at 17:11 Log in to Reply

    Urgh. We’re pathetic sometimes. 2-0.

    “The defending there was atrocious. Clichy was standing with his arm up, Silvestre was day-dreaming … Wenger is going to be furious. A draw is no good to Arsenal here – they need to win. Chelsea’s players must be watching this with glee.”

  68. macmac123 14 April, 2010 at 17:10 Log in to Reply

    Danny Rose – what a fluke.

    “I don’t wanna badmouth the kid, but he’s a horrible, dishonest, immoral louse. And I say that with all due respect. ”

    So 1-0 down at halftime. Come on, Gunners, please don’t make me wait till the last ten mins. to score.

  69. Kiwi 14 April, 2010 at 17:08 Log in to Reply

    A little bit like I feared.
    Eboue and Rosicky are not a good combo in support of Bendtner.

    Spurs looked quite content to concede possession knowing we had little offensive threat. They then waited for the ball to come their way and ironically looked a lot more threatening despite operating on much less possession.

    Silvestre disappoints. He left Almunia and Campbell for dead on that play where Almunia had to bravely dive at Defoe’s(?) feet. The annoying part was that he didn’t even try to recover. Watch the play again, he lets the Spurs player stroll past him and then just watches…. it’s very poor defending from a guy who seems to be coasting.

  70. CaribKid 14 April, 2010 at 16:57 Log in to Reply

    Vela not in the squad? Hmmmmmm

    Merida included? Trying to get him to sign a new contract.

  71. DaAdminGooner 14 April, 2010 at 15:39 Log in to Reply

    Starting XI: Almunia, Vermaelen, Cambell, Clichy, Sagna, Diaby, Denilson, Rosicky, Nasri, Eboue, Nicky B

    Subs: Silvestre, RvP, Eduardo, Theo, Fabianski, Merida, Eastmond

    I’m getting good at this picking the squad thing.

  72. ChicagoGooner 14 April, 2010 at 15:05 Log in to Reply

    ATTENTION EVERYONE:

    The North London Derby will be on ESPN2, at least according to my programming guide. I swear it wasn’t there when I checked last night, but I was sniffing around for an internet stream just now, and the Veetle one I came across claimed to be using ESPN2 as a source, so I checked again and sure enough it was there.

  73. ChicagoGooner 14 April, 2010 at 14:42 Log in to Reply

    Oh, the irony! After all the hatred and vitriol that will be exchanged between Gooners and Yids during this match, each set of fans will have to swallow their pride and cheer for the other team afterwords. Spurs will need Arsenal to get a result against City, Arsenal will need Spurs to do some damage to Chelsea.

  74. HighburyterraceSteve 14 April, 2010 at 10:46 Log in to Reply

    Agree with Nip that this is a very tough match. Unlike the first get together in our stadium, they will have their best goal scorer, (Jermaine Defoe) and their best ball handler (Luka Modric), both of whom were withdrawn early on Sunday (I’m pretty sure) with an eye towards our match. Neither team benefits much from a draw (esp. us) so I expect goals, though I fear that we may start rather defensively like we did vs Barca, thinking that 1-nil will be enough. (And we all know that 1-nil is never enough….)

    I also agree that I’d prefer to start Bendtner and Eboue and leave RVP and Theo as bench options if we still need goals late. Obviously we need to defend well against Crouch and Defoe and their wing players, but if we can keep them out of our net for the first half hour or so, I would think that Diaby and Nasri (and even Denilson and Rosicky) can start to dominate in MF and create chances for themselves or our more forward players. Still, given our injuries and their returnees and the big stakes involved, it promises to be quite a battle. Fingers crossed….And Go on You Reds….

  75. arsesession 14 April, 2010 at 08:36 Log in to Reply

    If RvP makes the bench, he’s passed a series of fitness tests that are standardized. Okay, he won’t
    have match fitness, regardless he will play in the 2nd half. How long is just speculation.

    If he survives his time on the pitch with Spurs, he’ll most likely see a little more playing time v. Wigan on Saturday.

    As a player and manager you must take risks. Players have injuries off the pitch or in warm up. We need his presence on the pitch.

    Our first match after Barca, very important to regain our confidence and keep pressure on Chelsea and United. There are no sure 3 points in the Premier league.

    As we have seen this season, when a team looks to be in control of their destiny, sh*t happens.

  76. Andez 14 April, 2010 at 02:53 Log in to Reply

    I don’t mind seeing van Persie play. Yes there’s a chance he breaks down again. But what are we saving him for? If we don’t play him, Holland surely will.

    I read a quote somewhere which is pretty spotted on “National Teams treat players like rental car. When I rent a car, I’d drive it any way I wish. If it breaks down, someone else will pay for it anyway.”

    • OziKenyan 14 April, 2010 at 07:10 Log in to Reply

      Not in my experience. Bast*rds send you the bill for damage you didn’t do a month later!! But I see what you’re saying. Thing is Wenger sees it from VP’s point of view (as he should) rather than a club vs country thing all the time. What’s best for the car, if you will.

      I’d like to see him come on though. Hopefully because we’ve sealed the game and are coasting rather than because we need another attacking option.

      I do wonder, if he comes on for someone other than Bendy, who will play in the central role. Should be interesting.

  77. nipuna 14 April, 2010 at 00:22 Log in to Reply

    This game is going to be a lot tighter than most of us think. Spurs may be tired, but they would rather get relegated than allow Arsenal to win the title. And we are missing key players in Gallas, Cesc, Song and Arsh.

    Arsenal have really struggled to close down games fast enough for everyone’s liking. The last time we went into the last 15 mins of a game with a two goal lead? 30/December against Pompey!

    Of course, any kind of win will do for now, but this game could easily end up in a draw. I just hope our rest helps us be more sharp.

    I am inclined to start Eboue ahead of Walcott. Bale is Spurs’ most dangerous player and if we can restrict him in the first half hour, we should be able to take control of the game. The other dangerous players is Pav – not sure if he will start, but I hope Campbell is up for this game.

    • ChicagoGooner 14 April, 2010 at 00:30 Log in to Reply

      I agree nip. As DAG said, 7 of 9 of the last league games at WHL have been drawn. Ordinarily I’d take a draw when playing away to a fierce rival (as much as I like beating them). But this time a draw simply will not do. I think we may need a little help to pull it out, ie Spurs returning to their classic bottling form.

  78. ChicagoGooner 13 April, 2010 at 23:05 Log in to Reply

    Does anyone know where the name “Totteringham” comes from”? Is it b/c they were ‘tottering’ on the edge of relegation one year? So you just combine the words ‘tottering’ and ‘Tottenham’? Also, does anyone know how long the celebration has been around? If anyone knows it would be greatly appreciated.

    • DaAdminGooner 13 April, 2010 at 23:11 Log in to Reply

      I think it was a tongue-in-cheek thing from an Arsenal supporter back in 2002 – from Arseweb.

      • ChicagoGooner 13 April, 2010 at 23:19 Log in to Reply

        Wow, I just assumed it was a lot older than that.

    • OziKenyan 14 April, 2010 at 07:06 Log in to Reply

      Hasn’t it got something to do with Sheringham as well? I don’t know why I’m under that impression :S

  79. ChicagoGooner 13 April, 2010 at 22:52 Log in to Reply

    Nice write-up as always DAG. I posted this on the last thread, but it probably won’t get read now that this one is up, so here it is again:

    I really hope we don’t use RVP. Or should I say, I hope we don’t NEED to use him. Because if we need to, we will. He definitely won’t start, but if we need to sharpen the attack late on, there will be no choice but to use him

    Sure, if he plays and gets hurt then he’s no use to us the rest of the 4 games. But if we don’t use him and lose, then those 4 games themselves become meaningless.

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