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Steeling One With Ease – Arsenal v Bolton; Post Match Review

By Michael Price
September 12, 2010
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Hey Carlos is this how you chip it in?

“We have had two games, at Blackburn and today, which we certainly would not have taken six points from two years ago.” – Arsene Wenger post-game comments. 

You know what – he’s right. Two years ago when we were falling apart at will two games like these were most usually draws. Especially if the opponent had equalized. Now, I am not saying all is right in the kingdom, with injuries still looming large we could still be in for some hefty question marks – but let’s regal ourselves in a hard played win. 

The game was firmly in Arsenal’s control from the outset with Cesc Fabregas showing he came to play and nearly slotting the home side early. But alas it wasn’t all that easy. New boy Laurent Koscielny deep in the box was able to knock past the first goal within the 24th minute to put the Gunners ahead. 

But for whatever reason, complacency, Bolton determination, or lack of focus, Arsenal couldn’t put the visitors away in the first half. They were not without their chances. The passing game was sharp with only a few errant passes here and there. On three separate occassions Andrei Arshavin was set free by great passing from either Wilshere or Fabregas, on two of those opportunities, Andrei got a case of the Nicky B’s and muffed the clear opportunity. The third opportunity was a poor off-sides call by the ref. Andrei is still a threat to get free and you have to assume that if it continues he will score. The problem right now is that he isn’t scoring. 

Most eyes though were on our defencive pairing. With Thomas Vermaelen out for the match with an injury, Sebastien Squillaci started alongside Laurent Koscielny. For most of the match they played admirably. Though for the second straight match Koosh, made an error that led to a goal.  In the pursing build up to Bolton’s equalizer, Koosh squibbed a header to the right of the penalty box, which allowed Lee of Bolton to get in deep and threaten goal. The ensuing chip shot headed in by Elmmander. 

In the past we had some defencive players that would’ve allowed a gaff like that to stay lodged in their heads for the remainder of the game. Koosh made the mistake, and I think while he will be a good signing, he is still young. I do think the better CB tandem may be Vermaelen and Squillaci. Some of the wobbliness of the defence in this game had to be the fact they all hadn’t played together. Anyway I digress, Koosh is showing that he has the ability to shrug off a mistake and correct himself. I’d like to see these mistakes turn into less clear cut scoring opportunities but I do like the ability to adjust. 

Also I think there is some steel developing in this side. Vermaelen, Koosh and Squillaci, aren’t looking like they will be bullied about, but look at some of the fesityness of some of our other players – for example, the yellow card on Gibbs for his rough treatment of Kevin Davies. I loved every minute of that. Sorry, that kind of play isn’t coming from Clichy. Gibbsy is a player and he is one who is only going to get better. Don’t like to see a yellow card, but the opposing teams need to start learning that we won’t be pushed around. How this mentality fares against our biggest physical rivals (Chelsea and United) remains to be seen. 

That's going to leave a mark

The MOTM had to be Fabregas. Coming into the match, he admitted as much that he hasn’t been ready. But it was clearly evident that he was ready to play yesterday. His passing and touch were amazing. The pass to Vela for the final score was sublime. He was turning players and spreading the ball around efficiently. Together with him, Wilshere and Rosicky, the score should’ve easily been 5-1 at the half. They were slicing open Bolton – it’s too bad that whatever Nicky B has in terms of hitting the goal, it has effected others on the team, like Chamakh and Arshavin. But Fabregas, what can you say. He was pressng on defence, he was telling on attack and he was everything (shy of scoring) that makes him the fulcrum of our attack.  One of my favourite plays that didn’t happen was towards the end when Bolton couldn’t bring it out of their end, Fabregas gets up close and nearly gets the ball on a sliding tackle. Yeah, he is that good and that effective. 

There were other good signs, Jack Wilshere is showing himself to be the budding star he is supposed to be. Rosicky, man can he turn people.  Vela, is showing that when given the time, he will do the stuff we know he can do. Already as much as I hate to say this (I loved Dudu) he is better than Eduardo.  Song had a few errant passes but he is a monster in the middle – he needs an effective back up even though Jack the lad was always hustling back to help defend. Chamakh may not be able to kick a ball in the net, but can that boy get space and rocket headers. Another thing about him I like, is his ability to bring others into play. He is showing himself to be hard to get off the ball and wait for the right moment to get it to someone. I know everyone says he gives us what Adebayour did – I say he gives us more because of his unselfishness. 

Oh, I would be remiss if I didn’t give props to Manny a nod for a solid outing. Sure his first touch of the ball and dishout was woeful, but he was aggresive in crosses – didn’t flap at balls and was better at releasing the ball to players on the run. Still not sure if this going to last but I am going to enjoy it. I also don’t place the goal at his feet. 

As for the Cahill red card which all but sealed Bolton’s fate – well, in my opinion it was a yellow. The tackle was harsh but it didn’t warrant a red. But Atwell was all over the place – he missed a back pass by Brogdan to himself , he didn’t call a clear PK on a take down of Arshavin or Chamakh, Bolton should’ve had a free kick outside the box, and frankly Robinson’s tackle on Diaby was a clear Red.  The diagnosis on Diaby is unknown, but in his post game comments, Wenger stated he was having trouble moving his leg. So we shall see. 

All in all a good day for the Gunners and Gooners. We showed some real grit in the last two games and came away with deserved points.  And what a weekend eh? What more could you ask for when Arsenal win, Spurs draw to West Brom, City draw to Blackburn and United collapse in Fergie time to Everton. All yesterday required was Chelsea losing or drawing to make it the perfect day. Chelsea didn’t but hell I like the way the day ended. 

On to the Champion’s League Group Stages . . . ugh. 

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Final note for the day, I have been talking about this in the past, but I finally stopped waiting for help and laid the first of what I hope will be many You Are My Arsenal T Shirts.  I haven’t set a price yet – probably between $10 – $15 USD.   What I will do is once I have selected a vendor, I will give out all the details on how to get your own. Here it is – 

Get em while they are hot!

The back - Nuff said

 Thanks for being the best readership and making this very easy to do. 

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57 comments

  1. HighburyterraceSteve 15 September, 2010 at 11:17 Log in to Reply

    Well, I for one am looking forward to the CL opener and Braga sound like an interesting team. Lately we’ve been playing more Western European teams in the group stages, and, without wanting to generalize too much, I (for some reason) prefer them. Perhaps I think of them as playing a slightly more open game and feel that at least the weather and pitches will work a bit to our advantage when we travel to play them. At least this time around our trip to Ukraine will only be in October….

    For tonight’s match I’m expecting a team that looks a bit like this:

    Mooney
    French Back 4
    Song/Wilshere
    Rosicky, Cesc, Arshavin
    Chamakh

    Personally I think Vela should start over either Rosicky or Arshavin as it seems the latter could use a “freshener” (or a message about his need to find his sharpness) and it might be pushing the former to have another long outing (after 90 on Saturday). And, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Eboue starting ahead of Wilshere as he seems to have morphed from boo boy to home-stadium-favorite. Nasri sounds ready as well (how exactly do they do knee surgery these days)….AW certainly needs to use players with an eye to Saturday’s match at Sunderland….

    For the moment, I think we’ve got the depth to handle 2 matches a week but we’re getting close to the edge. One or two more injuries and results will be compromised, players will start to be rushed back and/or overplayed and the cycle will deepen. The timing of RVP & Theo’s return is a clearly stated “hands off” message to their national managers for the early October int’l break. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of the French players also starting to pick up some minor tweaks (real or imagined) or have their injuries worsen (i.e., Diaby) and also get these sorts of rests.

    At least we’re not the only ones. I missed yesterday’s CL matches but it sounds like Antonio Valencia took a Dudu/Ramsey sort of season-ender, and Spurs started well but couldn’t put away Werder Bremen without Defoe and Modric who are both out fairly long term. Did anyone watch that one, and is Van Der Vaart the answer? Certainly I’m very curious what sort of team we’ll field in the CC vs our local rival. (It pains me to think we’d run out a team with no real chance….) I’m also curious to see if Liverpool, pretty woeful at Birmingham (I did watch that match), can do better on their second trip to Manchester against a United team that (IMO) is showing some cracks.

    So, confident (for the moment), and hoping for the best (victory, no further injuries), but not without concerns….

  2. nipuna 15 September, 2010 at 08:48 Log in to Reply

    Fergie makes 10 changes to his CL team last night.

    Lot of empty seats at OT.

    Arsenal put Braga game tickets on general sale.

    CL group stages has lots its attraction.

    Also, tickets sold (not the actual attendance which is much less) at the Bolton home game were less than 60K. First time I have seen this happen.

    • rvp4mvp 15 September, 2010 at 08:54 Log in to Reply

      no worries Nip with our transfer policy we shouldn’t be too badly affected by those tickets ;)

    • vibe4arsenal 15 September, 2010 at 12:24 Log in to Reply

      Article from Telegraph, to your point.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/champions-league/8002589/Manchester-United-x-Rangers-x.html

  3. nipuna 14 September, 2010 at 23:25 Log in to Reply

    The Verma injury shows how important it was to sign the Squil. Thank God we did not put our faith in perma crock Djo.

    Now imagine if Mooney goes down …

  4. Kiwi 14 September, 2010 at 20:03 Log in to Reply

    “Now what kind of fan are you that condemns his own players for being injured?

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but slamming players and manager “all the time” is boring……If you don’t like something change it; if you can’t change it then change the way you think about it.”
    _________________________

    Arsesession, spoken from the heart and fair enough.

    Perhaps you’re right, although if you had a colleague who was perpetually sick and you had to cover for him sooner or later you’d probably say something to the boss like – “this is a bit silly”. On the one hand there is compassion for the plight of the individual but on the other there is the reality that you get paid for delivering a service. If you can’t deliver the service…… Factor in the remuneration and…..

    On your second point, you’re right, banging on about a negative point is boring. Normally I hate it. I agree with you that you should either suck it up or move on. Sadly this is a poor fit with reality for a fan. It seems, and I say this without any desire to offend, it seems to be ‘a real fan’ requires a sort of frontal abotomy. If you ‘think’ and ‘question’ too much you risk becoming negative. This is essentially where I’ve come to with this period of Wenger’s Arsenal.

    I’m probably a little bit over it. I just find the cult of Wenger a bit overpowering and tinged with an arrogance when in reality (according to my measure) it fails to deliver anything. I may start to find enjoyment again if they win something, but winning may take a while and by that stage I may have discovered other more satisfying pastimes.

    • arsesession 14 September, 2010 at 23:30 Log in to Reply

      For your analogy, you’re right.

      But the job of playing football is higher risk than most employees. The Board, manager, respected media, and players, understand that injuries are part of this sport…..and there is no way to escape. Injured while on the job (playing for the club or in practice) is not quite the same as being sick and not showing up for work.

      I think all of us are passionate for Arsenal and their success…..otherwise, why spend so much time here to express our ideas and elaborate on details. There is nothing wrong with having your own vision of the club, how it should be managed, and critiquing the players and manager after each match – but with some civility.

      Our manager is far from perfect, as are our players. I’ve spent many years coaching and teaching football, and for me I have an appreciation for what Arsene is developing for Arsenal and how he handles his players. That’s just my perspective but every fan has their own reasons to follow the club and expectations.

      The last season with Flamini and Hleb, it broke my spirit to see them leave the club as I thought the chemistry earlier in the fall was beyond exceptional. The next year I was totally disappointed – Denilson, Song, and Diaby struggling , goal keeper issues, inconsistency from our CB’s, no depth up front.

      Arsenal are a work in progress. Our new additions just reconfirm our manager’s gift for spotting talent. As fans we have every reason to be excited about the baby gunners: Wilshere, Ramsey, Gibbs, Vela (and Frimpong).

      I would not consider winning either the Carling Cup or the FA Cup as significant accomplishments for Arsenal. The prestige is all about winning the Champions League and Premier League titles.

      Whether the stars will line up for us this season, who knows. The ball is round and can take crazy bounces.

      • Kiwi 15 September, 2010 at 00:09 Log in to Reply

        Civility is good.

        It sounds like you are in strong alignment with Wenger and his values – right down to dismissing the importance of domestic cups. That’s a good space to be in – I just don’t share it.

        If we win nothing over the next 3 years (but still qualify for the CL) we will have fallen off the map as a relevant power. Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira, Pires will be a memory. How many kids will be attracted to buy the shirt? A generation will be lost and our following will stagnate. Wenger will be viewed as a once-successful manager who turned a bit loopy (like Clough) but got his teams playing nice football.

        • arsesession 15 September, 2010 at 08:25

          Many long time Arsenal fans have high expectations (long time > 10 years) for our club. With our resources, winning CC and FA probably would not satisfy their expectations.

          Your point is correct about the kids and the need for Arsenal to provide memories for all its fans (yearly).

          My view of our chances this year and for the ‘near’ future are a bit more optimistic.

        • rvp4mvp 15 September, 2010 at 09:00

          Long time arsenal fans have high expectations?

          I think its the other way around. Long time arsenal fans may remember what it feels like to be a middle of the league club ;) and what it was like before AW was around. You know when competing for titles and playing in the top European competition counted as some sort of success. :)

        • arsesession 15 September, 2010 at 10:03

          This aspect of my comment is subjective to each fan.

        • rvp4mvp 15 September, 2010 at 11:55

          Subjective to whether they are pre-AW or not :)

    • vibe4arsenal 15 September, 2010 at 10:01 Log in to Reply

      Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but slamming players and manager “all the time” is boring……If you don’t like something change it; if you can’t change it then change the way you think about it.”

      __________________

      And on the flip side, blindly supporting the Manager and players, despite obvious flaws that are detrimental to the club we support, is also boring. And a bit naive, as well.

      On a grander scale, the highest form of Patriotism is willingness to be critical of your own country. ‘My country right or wrong’ is just Nationalism. The latter is very easy, because it eliminates the need to think anything new.

      That sort of thing.

      • arsesession 15 September, 2010 at 10:15 Log in to Reply

        No one is perfect in managing or blogging.

        Those that deal on a daily basis with our manager and pull the decision making strings for the club, obviously see merit in our managers’ actions and performances.

        The board are custodians for our club. I would venture that most of the board have substantial investment in the club and their priority is to insure the THAT INVESTMENT.

        If the manager were “DETRIMENTAL” to the club, they would have replaced him by now – not extended his contract and increased his salary. This does not appear to be the result of poor performance.

        Yes, there is nothing wrong with being critical of something you cherish: Arsenal. However, since you don’t have 1st hand knowledge of what perimeters (constraints) the manager has been placed under by the board and banks, nor are aware of how many players the club has tried to secure over the past few years, un-sucessfully, then your criticism is grounded on surface information, opinion, and speculation. While the boards decisions are founded on full facts of the circumstances.

        Those that support the direction of the club and its manager – being naive is not the word I would chose, maybe realistic.

        • vibe4arsenal 15 September, 2010 at 11:15

          Of what relevance is ‘first hand knowledge’? No one here has first hand knowledge. Isn’t that obvious? We’re all equal in that regard. We offer opinions on that which we can see. The performance of individual players, the Manger and the Club on the whole. Falling back on ‘first hand knowledge’ and ‘you’re not in the room’ seems like an absence of argument.

          With that, one person’s comment on what is DETRIMENTAL is no more knowledgeable than the other. My OPINION is that Wenger is no longer good for the product on the field, for those who have Winning aspirations for Arsenal. It also makes sense that those whose agenda is financially driven would be pleased with him. And that is why he’s still at the club.

          We also define ‘realistic’ differently. To me, acknowledging the fundamental flaws I alluded to above is the essence of a realistic Arsenal supporter.

          But one thing for sure. You’re a passionate fan. And given how many of your fellow optimists have lost energy/belief to be able to keep making the same points, it’s hard not admire your sheer bloody-mindedness. ;-)

    • joshuad 15 September, 2010 at 11:09 Log in to Reply

      I know a guy who has deployed three times. On his first deployment to Afghanistan, he fell off a cliff and broke his leg and had to be evacuated. On his second deployment to Iraq, he got shot and had to be evacuated again. I can assure you that no one is looking at this guy saying, “dude, why are you always getting fucked up on deployments and can’t ever complete a full year?” They are all thanking their lucky stars and saying, “I’m glad it wasn’t me”.

      War and football are far from the same thing but that was just an example. No footballer wants to spend the best years of his career out injured.

      There are two things Arsenal has to consider.
      1. If I’ve got a seemingly injury-prone player, is he an exceptional enough talent to keep on the roster. Arsenal’s greatest player has spoken admirably about the exceptional skill of our young Dutchman. I rate van Persie and Rosicky very highly and, apparently, so do Arsenal.
      2. There is the loyalty factor. Henry, Vieira, and Bergkamp were robust and loyal to Arsenal. Flamini and Hleb were robust and loyal to getting paid. Ronaldo was at Inter and broke for the majority of that time. As soon as he got fit, he defected to Real Madrid. What’s a manger to do?

      Rosicky has attracted interest from other clubs but opted to take a pay cut to remain at Arsenal. van Persie has just turned down advances from other clubs, to include Barcelona, Juventus, and Chelsea to extend his Arsenal contract. These boys are loyal to Arsenal and in this world of football mercs, most fans respect that. Wenger surely does. I understand your frustration but these things aren’t often as black and white as they seem on the outside looking in.

  5. ChicagoGooner 14 September, 2010 at 17:19 Log in to Reply

    Hmmm… now even Andy Gray is saying Rangers have a legitimate gripe about a penalty no-call inside of Man U’s penalty area. I guess even European refs wear different contact lenses when they go to OT.

  6. ChicagoGooner 14 September, 2010 at 17:11 Log in to Reply

    Play has been stopped for over 5 mins now at Old Trafford. They are bringing Valencia off in a stretcher. It looks like it could be an Eduardo/Ramsey-type injury. Maybe now something will be done about reckless challenges. A Manchester United player has been injured. You hate to think of that way, but often it’s not until the biggest team gets involved in a problem that the authorities will start trying to fix it. (Like MLB refused to consider instant replay until the Yankees were involved in a controversial play-off call.)

    Oh, but wait… the opponent was Rangers. They’re a fine British outfit. They would never endorse “that” type of behavior. I guess nothing needs to be done afterall.

  7. joshuad 14 September, 2010 at 05:55 Log in to Reply

    Very off topic:
    Did anyone see Moussa Dembele this weekend? I thought he was the best player at the Olympics a couple of years ago, even better than Messi. I wanted him at Arsenal but there were rumors about bigger teams coming for him and I knew Wenger wouldn’t enter a bidding war.

    In the GDC the other day, someone mentioned Dembele scored two goals for Fulham. Later that night, I thought to myself, “FULHAM! Why is Dembele at Fulham?” I thought he went to AC Milan or somewhere like that. He’s too good for Fulham. Wenger needs to be smacked for that.

    Sorry I went so far off topic? If he was for sale, we should have signed him ahead of Fulham.

  8. joshuad 14 September, 2010 at 04:57 Log in to Reply

    Kiwi, it is relevant that you can’t assess a player’s robustness. There are a few exceptions like Jonathan Woodgate or Owen Hargraves that have been bought by big clubs despite a history of being broke. However, with many players, you just never know.

    The reality is that some players develop fitness issues. Daniel Agger, Ricardo Carvalho, Michael Essien, Fernando Torres, Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Carlton Cole, Ruud van Nistlerooy, Luka Modric, Kaka, all the etceteras. Like van Persie, these are all special players who’ve had bad luck with injury. Their clubs have a choice; sell them or make exceptions for them. Most clubs aren’t so hasty to be rid of their world-class talent.

    The primary factor of why you buy a player has got to be their skill and ability. Unless they’ve got a history, there’s no way to determine robustness. van Persie and Theo didn’t have a history. Likewise, Gael Clichy and Marc Overmars were permacrocks and Wenger still signed them. I know it’s frustrating but you never really know.

    • arsesession 14 September, 2010 at 09:50 Log in to Reply

      I actually believe that for Arsenal and RvP, our manager should move him to the right wing and allow Bendtner and Chamakh to play the upfront lead striker.

      There is nothing wrong with him drifting in like Rosicky, Theo, or Eboue and interchange during play, but having two CB’s zeroing in on you for every received ball is just elevating the risk.

  9. DaAdminGooner 13 September, 2010 at 17:27 Log in to Reply

    We talk alot about the team losing the faith in Manuel Almunia but this comes from the skipper himself:

    ‘Manuel commanded the defence very well at Blackburn – but it is not just about one game or two or three,’ the Spain midfielder said. ‘He is well-loved player among everybody here and performs well for this club. We all wish him a super season and have a lot of trust.’

    Now some will say “What is supposed to say?” And you could be right. But it is a telling comment from Fabregas.

    Also . . . what noone likes the shirts? Sheesh.

    • CaribKid 13 September, 2010 at 17:58 Log in to Reply

      Cesc could just be PC and as captain wants to infuse more confidence in Almunia.

      As for the shirts, white tends to be boring. Why not do an Arsenal Red with white sleeves and trim, so it looks like Arsenal without infringing on their copyrights. That way, I could wear it proudly to my Pub excursions and everyone would know it’s ARSENAL.

      Just my take.

      • DaAdminGooner 13 September, 2010 at 17:59 Log in to Reply

        Not a bad idea – if I can find a vendor that carriers it – I will do it.

      • seattle gooner 13 September, 2010 at 18:25 Log in to Reply

        Plus, white has the ugly tendency to show every little bit of dirt or stain and tends to grey with a little bit of age.

        • CaribKid 13 September, 2010 at 20:21

          @seattle gooner,

          You left out rum and whiskey stains :)

        • seattle gooner 14 September, 2010 at 16:19

          I was trying to hide that. I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for that meddling CaribKid!

      • vibe4arsenal 13 September, 2010 at 19:18 Log in to Reply

        I’ve wanted an Arsenal tube station shirt for awhile, so I like the design. Not crazy about the ring on the sleeve, whatever the color winds up.

        Also prefer softer, lighter more fitted shirts, to the super heavy ones that hang on you like a tent. Not sure what that does to cost, tho.

    • stag133 13 September, 2010 at 18:29 Log in to Reply

      DAG.

      I like the shirt, and the design a lot.
      I like the London Underground-like Logo.

      I’d prefer white to red… but maybe yellow or blue?

      surely, it has to be cost effective, thus making it affordable to the masses, so whatever color shirt allows that will have to be the choice!

    • HighburyterraceSteve 13 September, 2010 at 19:26 Log in to Reply

      I like the shirts & second the red sleeves, but red trim is fine too. And I don’t mind white….good for warm days….

      I also like the Arsenal Tube Station logo. As such, why not change the wording to: “A place (or maybe “station”) where everybody can get off….” or something, you know, because YAMA is so inclusive….

      But maybe that’s too suggestive…. ;-)

    • joshuad 14 September, 2010 at 05:03 Log in to Reply

      About Almunia, I have a theory. As much as I hated to see him leave, maybe the departure of Gallas has helped settle the Spaniard. Gallas was pretty bossy and probably unforgiving for slack performances. We’ve all seen the looks of encouragement that Gallas has given Almunia.

      • arsesession 14 September, 2010 at 09:44 Log in to Reply

        good observation and the same can be applied to our back line…..

  10. HighburyterraceSteve 13 September, 2010 at 12:47 Log in to Reply

    The problems with a youth or academy approach to building a team are several, but it can be done—witness Barca vs the Galacticos of Madrid….Of course it helps to be a “National” (i.e., Catalunyan) institution….with local banks willing to bail you out and help you make payroll when, for example, your 70 million Euro striker (Ibrahimovic) needs to be replaced by a 40 milliion Euro one (Villa)….

    My thought has always been that injuries can be chronic or not, but that injured players ALWAYS want to prove themselves when they return to the pitch and thus put themselves into riskier spots than ones who are fortunate enough to avoid injuries. Of course, it also helps if a player is smart enough to know that staying fit (uninjured) is job #1….The (obscene) manner in which players are compensated, however, combined with the nature of the (low-scoring, failure-laden) game, which sometimes actually enhances a player’s reputation when they’re out, makes the physio-room (or the bench), at some times and for some players, subconsciously at least, not the worst place to be. Long term, of course, it’s all about production, so the very best and most ambitious players need to find a way to get themselves onto the pitch. Maybe the most essential element of having a “footballing” brain is knowing when to pull out of challenges (and otherwise managing one’s fitness) to avoid getting hurt….

    So, I think Kiwi may have a very strong point about players getting to a point in their careers where they’ve survived the natural selection process (by using, mostly, their footballing brains). It would also help if we played in a league where brutality was censored rather than lauded and if we could bring younger players along with older (and wiser) mentors who might help teach them these lessons. The balance in the team (between youth and experience) is the best I’ve seen in my short tenure as a supporter so I’m encouraged on the one hand, though the recurrence of injuries to the usual suspects (RVP, Theo, Diaby) tempers it….

    • Fred 13 September, 2010 at 15:55 Log in to Reply

      “play in a league where brutality is censored …”

      Or, we could just create a stronger more robust team…. like we used to before 2005.

      • arsesession 14 September, 2010 at 09:41 Log in to Reply

        Steve is spot on.

        Robust players are not immune to injuries. This is my earlier point & here is the list so you don’t need to scroll up: Torres, Zamora, Essien, Senderos, Woodgate, Hargreaves, Balotelli, Anderson, Ferdinand, Vidic, Ledley King, Carlton Cole, Defoe, Frazier Campbell, the list goes on… THESE ARE NOT FINESSE PLAYERS.

        What’s the German CB that everyone was so raving about: Mertesakel (sorry for the spelling) – just injured and out for extended period

        “like we used to before 2005”
        Well the Premier league has changed. Look at the rosters that the traditionally weaker teams ( Blackburn, Bolton, Sunderland, Stoke, WBA, Wolves, Birmingham) employ. MORE ROBUST ATHLETES and physicality of play is there tactics: long throw ins and outmuscling teams on free kicks. Even teams like
        Villa, Everton, Fulham, Pool, City, ManU, New Castle are struggling with the above 2nd tier clubs.

        When officials have a disregard for the safety of the players, then no amount of natural athleticism OR time in the weight room will protect a player.

        Karl Henry, Palacios, Kevin Davies, R Shawcross, S. Hunt, Joey Barton ( WHO DID I LEAVE OUT) with their reckless endangering style of play are just a few in the Premier league that keep opponents on the training table.

  11. jroybower 12 September, 2010 at 21:41 Log in to Reply

    3 games out of 4 where we’ve finished with an extra man. No complaints, just an observation.

    • Fred 13 September, 2010 at 01:23 Log in to Reply

      Unfortunately, these things cancel out!

    • vibe4arsenal 13 September, 2010 at 13:46 Log in to Reply

      An observation that will quickly be forgotten by some the first time a big call goes against us. Then all we’ll read about is the officials well-known bias against Arsenal.

      • nipuna 13 September, 2010 at 13:53 Log in to Reply

        Remember how ManU got some 8 mins of extra time against City last season?

        Now notice how the referee pulled the whistle into the 3rd min at Goodison even though two goals were scored in ET and Everton were on their way to scoring another.

        Sometimes you simply got to call a spade a spade.

        :)

        • vibe4arsenal 13 September, 2010 at 14:10

          Is there a universally accepted emoticon for rolling eyes?

          :-)

  12. Kiwi 12 September, 2010 at 21:40 Log in to Reply

    Arsesession, my point was not about size per se. Indeed, size was not mentioned in my post. Robustness (in a sporting sense) is an outcome not a physical body measurement. Some players are large yet not robust. Others are smallish by some measurements yet prove to be very durable. So it’s about durability, and this is at the heart of the ‘return’ a player provides to a club. Sport is littered with players with enormous talent who can never get on the field of play often enough to influence the results.

    I’m asking a question, after perhaps 7 years of this new youth-centric recruitment approach are we now seeing some inherent weaknesses in the approach. Is there too high a focus on ‘technical potential’ versus ‘robustness and durability’? Are we seeing that working out in the group of players that were signed at a young age by the club? Or, is it simply a case that you can not identify durability at a young age? If the later is true then that in itself suggests a weakness in the approach that places too much store on these younger players as a large component of one’s squad.

    I think these are reasonable questions to ask given we are pioneering an approach that is uncommon and unproven. I’m also rather suspicious of the longer term consequences (both mental and physical) of placing a high responsbility upon the shoulders of young players before they’re proven themselves. Walcott, Bendtner, Diaby and Denilson have proven to be quite inadequate to carry the burden of Arsenal’s aspirations when pressed in to service. Yet Wenger has asked them to front up and do the business when the usual suspects are out injured for enormous amounts of time. I just don’t think we’ve got the mix right and that jettisons our chances every season.

    The fact we don’t have a realistic hope of challenging is wholly a matter of Wenger’s choosing. It’s all about the squad composition. Get that right and we have a chance. Wenger’s again playing a high risk game because he’s determined to prove the youth thing ‘right’ and dtermined to stick with the likes of RvP and Rosicky. It’s 100% personal pride. If he signed a few more Chamakhs and Squillaci’s in various positions and ditched some of the injury-prone deadwood we’re a chance.

    • arsesession 13 September, 2010 at 12:42 Log in to Reply

      you’re right – you did not specify size; but I went to the exercise to list quite a few players who many would consider physically prepared for combat in the Premier league AND YET these players that I listed are just as susceptible injury and sustaining long-term injuries as the Arsenal player profile.

      “Is there too high a focus on ‘technical potential’ versus ‘robustness and durability’? Are we seeing that working out in the group of players that were signed at a young age by the club? Or, is it simply a case that you can not identify durability at a young age?”

      I believe our manager has re-calibrated his player model. For young players new to the club, Arsene has chosen Ramsey and Wilshere and both (at still young ages) have adapted fairly early. We saw the play of Frimpong in preseason and he seems to fit the description of more athleticism. Then we have transfers of Chamakh, Koscielny, and Squillaci……..so I see these additions as a concentrated effort by our manager to select players who can be hopefully deal with the physicality and their fighting spirit (aggresiveness and work rate) will be contagious to the others.

      For RvP and Rosicky, here is where we disagree…….players like these (and Cesc) are what fans pay to see perform magic with the ball. These players make everyone around them better. The Chamakh’s and Squillaci’s of the world fall into the next tier as strong support players – just as necessary but not able to make you stop and do a double take.

      • vibe4arsenal 13 September, 2010 at 13:53 Log in to Reply

        They don’t make “everyone around them better” if they’re not on the pitch. Fans don’t “pay to see them” sit in the stands.

        I don’t know how people can keep leaving these rather significant factors out of the equation. Even with RVP and Theo, once again, out. Less than one month in.

        I realize envisioning ideal world scenarios is what the red tinted glasses are all about, but it blunts the assessment.

        • arsesession 13 September, 2010 at 22:03

          Now what kind of fan are you that condemns his own players for being injured?

          Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but slamming players and manager “all the time” is boring……If you don’t like something change it; if you can’t change it then change the way you think about it.

  13. Mazza 12 September, 2010 at 20:26 Log in to Reply

    I’m not sure I buy this “we would have lost two years ago” line. Two years ago we went to Blackburn at this stage of the season and won 4-0. Around the same time we went to Bolton away and won 3-1. Okay, Sam Allardyce was on the sidelines then stuffing himself with Yorkshire pies but the point remains, and I fail to see how Wenger can see any sort of significance to the last two results in terms of ‘maturing'(his great buzzword). The fact we’ve just come back from an international break makes it even more odd.

    I think Wenger – not for the first time – is clutching at straws at trying to find reasons to show how much we’ve progressed using false references. Why he feels the need to keep doing this is a mystery.

    Sunderland away at the Stadium of Light. Now there is a place to prove your mettle and grind out a result. A result there might have some relation to the win at Blackburn and to the overall journey of the squad. Even then, it’s still very early days.

    • OziKenyan 13 September, 2010 at 11:15 Log in to Reply

      Agreed, I think more than Sunderland I’ll be looking at our competitiveness in the big games, or the clutch as stag puts it. Until then, I don’t see anyone usurping Chelsea.

      But on the plus side, I was pleasantly surprised to see that statistically our defence is looking good. It reflects, I think, on an improvement. Although that said, we haven’t faced a proper attacking side yet (no Pool don’t count, anyone see them get played off the park yday?).

      October 3rd. I’ll see our performance then before starting to even think of hoping. Till then, I’m loving watching us play. The freedom from expectation is beautiful.

  14. Kiwi 12 September, 2010 at 18:36 Log in to Reply

    “We went for a change a few years ago to grow a team together and try to create a spirit and attitude which gets everyone on the same wave length.” Wenger.
    __________________________

    I think that’s true. That is what Wenger has tried to do. But how successful has it been?

    How many of the players that have been ‘grown’ during this period have emerged to the stage where they are ‘relied upon’. I would certainly suggest Fabregas and Song. Perhaps some would say Clichy. Is there anyone else?

    My take is that the players this season will rely upon are as follows:

    Chamakh
    Arshavin
    Fabregas
    Song
    Sagna
    Vermaelen
    Squillaci
    Koscielny (perhaps)
    Almunia

    The following players are ‘home grown’ have enjoyed massive levels of Wenger’s benevolence and tolerance but are physically unreliable: RvP, Walcott, Diaby, Djourou and even Bendter and Denilson.

    Rosicky is neither home grown not physically reliable – so he is in a group of one.

    So, whilst Wenger is being honest in explaining his approach, reality seems to say that Arsenal FC relies on the more mature (older) players we purchase not the youngsters. Quite disturbing to reflect on how injury prone so many of the home grown players are. It makes you wonder whether there is an unwanted correlation between the players that are technically capable (who attract Wenger’s eye) and physical weakness/vulnerability. Has the ‘terms of reference’ for the Arsenal FC scouting system got out of alignment?

    Put it another way. What Wenger wants is a technically proficient player that is robust enough to withstand the rigours of professional football in an EPL club. If you don’t put ‘physical robustness’ high enough up on the spec sheet when you’re scouting you risk recruiting the wrong player.

    There is a natural system which most clubs rely upon. When a player reaches the age of 23 or 24 he has survived the Darwinian ‘survival of the fittest’ process. There has been a natural selection. The unfit have been culled out and the robust can be seen. When you recruit at 15 and 16 you are trying to second-guess this Darwinian process. You are trying to pick the presence of certain technical traits and a players future level of physical endurance/robustness. Perhaps it is what it is. Perhaps the truth is picking robustness is a step too far and that you simply have to leave that up to time and mother nature to sort out and prove.

    • arsesession 12 September, 2010 at 20:51 Log in to Reply

      I DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS A CORRELATION WITH SIZE AND SUSCEPTIBILITY TO INJURIES.

      What about these players, most are not small in stature and would be considered physically competitive. Torres, Zamora, Essien, Senderos, Woodgate, Hargreaves, Balotelli, Anderson, Ferdinand, Vidic, Ledley King, Carlton Cole, Defoe and on and on. Injury prone and injury victims.

      There isn’t parity of talent in the Premier league, but there is parity in physicality. Physicality seems to be the wild card the smaller clubs must use to salvage points and avoid relegation. After 4 weeks, look at the current league standings. City, Pool, Spurs – these are clubs who have spent heavily now and in recent years – yet they are struggling to draw.

      I totally agree with your last sentence. However, the youth academy is the first step in evaluating talent under your own environment. If every ten years you can develop a Cesc, what a tremendous recruiting tool over your competition. Then consider what is saved in transfer fees OR the revenue when you do sell the player.

      • Fred 13 September, 2010 at 01:18 Log in to Reply

        “Then consider what is saved in transfer fees OR the revenue when you do sell the player.”

        WOOOW! Arsenal fans (or the AKB variant) are probably the ONLY set of fans in the entire world that talk SO MUCH about TRANSFER MONEY SAVED!

        Thats how much Wenger has incepted his stubborn ideas into the fans.

        Other fans talk about strengthening their teams and competing for titles … we talk about producing a few good players to sell on for profit!

        Never spend above your means, but by all means use the money you have to STRENGTHEN your team. But for some, that isnt a profitable way to look at things, because a club is a money-making corporation first! Yawn!

        Meanwhile:

        Fact 1: Arsenal fans pay the HIGHEST matchday tickets in Europe.

        Fact 2: Arsenal make more money from matchday revenue than any other club in Europe.

        Fact 3: Arsenal’s current income MINUS debt payment is 50% higher than our income at Highbury.

        Fact 4: Arsenal have made a “PROFIT” on transfers in each of the last five summers (always selling for more than we buy).

        Incredible really!

        PS: Arsenal did NOT produce Cesc. Barca did. Our first will be Wilshere and Gibbs. All our other kids look to be big time failures.

        • arsesession 13 September, 2010 at 12:16

          Hey Fred,
          my point was to spotlight advantages of a youth academy (for any club); the end product of this academy process, for those that don’t evolve to 1st team material, is selling players or letting them off their contracts……this is the same for all clubs.

          Arsenal are not the club of 98 – 2004. New stadium, new board, new direction. What you’re looking for doesn’t appear to be a direction they intend to pursue. Banks have tightened credit lines and raised interest rates. It’s their decision.

          Barca gave Cesc an environment to fine tune his technical and tactical foundation. Arsenal gave him the environment to evolve these skills and tactical awareness with regular match experience. Both are essential in development.

          Don’t you believe in 2004, many Arsenal fans were questioning why this scrawny 17 year old was receiving so much playing time.

          “All our other kids look to be big time failures.” Come on Fred, this is sour grapes.

          I believe that seeing Denilson back in action has upset you to no end. Where is Stag when he’s needed?

        • Fred 13 September, 2010 at 15:50

          What credit lines???

          We are MAKING A PROFIT! We can use OUR OWN MONEY to buy!

          The talk of interest rate does not hold.

          Barca did not give Cesc “an environment to fine tune” … they gave him a comprehensive training in the game. We gave him match time. We did NOT produce him.

          Name ONE of our kid who is a success.

          And yes, I am not fond of Denilson.

        • CaribKid 13 September, 2010 at 17:50

          @fred

          Ashley Cole was our first great product.

          Cesc was unable to get playing time at Barca because they did not think he had the talent to Make it. We got him at age 16, when his game was still developing and so, his success was mainly due to Arsenal.

          Saying that Arsenal did not make Cesc is saying that credit should only be given to under 15 teams and not the teams which made them into world class players.

          I would further go on to say that, Song, Diaby, Wilshere, Ramsey, CZ and Gibbs will all be world class in another year or so, and JET, Bartley, Aneke, Afobe, Coquelin and a few others have a very good chance in the not too distant future.

          Note, I am not a great believer in the “All Youth” concept, as I like a balance of youth and experience, and the infusion of new blood from the outside which offers different perspectives.

          Also, if we look at the potential of Vela, Galindo, Wellington, Nordveit and Botellho, we seem to be well set for the future.

          However, I’m impatient and want to see something NOW.

  15. arsesession 12 September, 2010 at 15:01 Log in to Reply

    For an Arsenal line up filled with the replacements, there was an excess of opportunities created in attack and the back four held their own against the long ball play from Bolton. Route 1 ball: keeper to Davies for a flick on…

    DAG,
    if I’m an Arsenal fan, why would I want the shirt to communicate anything negative about Arsenal. For the minority that can’t stand our manager, I’m sure they will support your message.

    • DaAdminGooner 12 September, 2010 at 15:04 Log in to Reply

      Only if you take it that way –

      It was an homage to even though we have left AA – nothing has changed.

      But I get your point and if it would prohibit many from getting the shirt, I would take it off.

      • arsesession 12 September, 2010 at 18:57 Log in to Reply

        Terrific sight and find everyone’s posts interesting, even if it differs from my point of view. We all have varying backgrounds with football and for Arsenal.

        EVERYONE would like to forget the past few seasons. We all want Arsenal to succeed and for Arsenal to maintain that level of intimidating success during the Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, and Pires era.

        I watch and follow Arsenal because the entertainment value is top drawer.

        I have an appreciation for what our manager is crafting at Arsenal. He is bucking mainstream mentality for managing. Even though the playing field is not level ( I use the ownership of Chelsea, City, Barca, and Real as examples)……I believe Arsene will achieve his vision.

        Through the 08/09 season most pundits and fans wanted Alex Song traded.
        Song’s goal v. Bolton pretty much sums up this club’s talent pool and our managers gift for finding diamonds in the rough. Where will you find a DM that can reproduce that type of spontaneous flair? Something we expected to see from a Bergkamp.

        I won’t say that this year’s roster is really ready to challenge Chelsea or ManU for the title……but I like what I’ve seen from the fighting spirit in Chamakh, Koscielny, Squillaci, and Wilshere. A new attitude that is spreading to the others.

  16. nipuna 12 September, 2010 at 14:22 Log in to Reply

    “We have had two games, at Blackburn and today, which we certainly would not have taken six points from two years ago.” – Arsene Wenger post-game comments

    Wonder what Arsene is talking about?

    The last time Arsenal failed to beat Bolton at home was in 2006.

    • DaAdminGooner 12 September, 2010 at 14:32 Log in to Reply

      I think if you remember back to two years ago – we would’ve dropped points away to Blackburn. He’s probably right we wouldn’t have gotten the 6 more like a 4.

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