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Tha. . . Tha. . . Tha. . . That’s All Folks . . .

By Michael Price
April 3, 2011
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Thank you Warner Brothers and Pork for succinctly capturing the end of our title run. Yeah, I said it. It’s over. We’re done and we’re dusted. Look I have always poitioned myself as a pragmatist. I try always to be balanced in my view of the club I love and support. I see negatives when positiuves occur and vice versa. I tend not side with either the ardent optimists or the flaming doom and gloomers. But that is the great thing about being a supporter we can fall into any category can’t we?

The fall to capitulation and gifting United the title started the moment Koscielny and Szczesny made the bone headed move that gave Birmingham the Carling Cup. I think everyone was right that the silverware would’ve worked as a spring board for this club. But it has had an absolutely opposite affect. Even a loss can be galvinizing in this case it has been just the oppositie it has sent the club spirralling and noone seems to have answers.

Sure, on the positive side of the coin youlc argue that Arsenal are still undefeated in the league this season. It is a run though that is similar to United’s in the first half of the season – they aren’t losing but hey, they aren’t winning either. I’d gladly swap the time of season this happened if it meant some sort of consistency and verve going into the closing months of the season. But seriously, I think we should accept the fact that barring some epic collapse by United yesterday’s draw basically gift wrapped Fergie title number 19.

So what’s the problem? To me it goes to one core foundation that can be traced through ever level of the club. It all starts with concrete leadership. There is no leadership in this organization from top to bottom. From the board room to the players and everything in between you get a lack of direction from every corner with only money seeming to be the unifying factor.

The board is the first culprit in the leadership void. It is hard to see that the direction we are following doesn’t all start in the boardroom with a group of people who’s loyalty is to lining the pockets than filling the trophy cabinet. They pray on the fact that fans are supporters and live and die with their club and even when it is going horribly wrong the fans will still show up. They know this and they thrive on it. Mass protests of people not showing up aren’t likely to happen because people want to support the club. Additionally, how can a amanager be allowed to run the club the way he has – as some sort of sports lab. The club has to set a direction for the whole organization to follow and frankly they don’t have the cajones to step up to Wenger and his staff and say – financial direction is fine but real success is measured by the trophies lined in the cabinet.

After the board the lack of direction and leadership from the manager is astounding. There is no doubt that Wenger is a good manager. He’s insights into the game when he came where revolutionary and they changed they way the game was approached in England. However, what he has done by creating some sort of touchy-feely utopia at the club is the real reason we lack any real sense of direction. To the players Wenger is more “father figure” than manager. His attempts to psychologically manage the club through a direction of gentleness and harmony is failing. It is like with my son who calls me his “best-friend.” I remind my son I aqm his dad not his best friend, I love him but I set the rules he has to follow or he gets a smacked hiney. Well, Wenger has undermined his position as manager by becoming a “father figure” because it strips him of the fear factor. I don’t doubt Fergie and Jose love/like their players. And their players respect them whole heartedly because they create winners. Why? Because they don’t take crap and the establish a level of fear for underperformers. Wenger has failed miserably in that over the last few years.

And when there isn’t leadership from the top the players themselves must establish the law. It doesn’t happen. Not on the pitch or in the dressing room. There currently is noone calling players on their failures, getting in faces when they fuck up or picking them up to rally the troops when things are going horribly wrong. PLayers need to understand that they are not bigger than the club and that the badge on the chest is more important than the name on the back of the kit (thank you Goal!! the movie). That is part of larger symptomatic problem in football but on the macro (club level) not having a player leader is killing Arsenal. Cesc Fabregas is not the leader of this club. He defintely is the club’s most talented (maybe) but he is not its leader. Jack Wilshere may be at some point but not right now. There is no established presence that reminds the players what a privelege it is to wear the badge of Arsenal. My friends over at LeGrove.co.uk had this great quote from David Rocastle that sums it up perfectly:

‘Remember who you are, what you are and who you represent’

It really is that simple.

Now, all that being said is that going to fix all our ills? No, there are defintiely wholesale changes to be made, primarily in the form of getting rid of dead weight. We’ve talked about it ad nauseum.  We are simply carrying too many players that don’t deserve to wear the kit. Wenger will do himself all the service inthe world by clearing out players who haven’t performed. If it happens I might actually believe he can change. I’m not too sure though.

Additionally, I want to see either a change in the CEO of the club or he actually grow a set. I don’t buy into the David Dein as saviour set. I don’t think he was anything more than a capable foil for Wenger to deal with the board. Something Gazidis has displayed he is not. Maybe Gazidis will help raise the marketing profile of the club but does it matter if the product is shite?

Finally, as I have said previously the manager departing is going to matter very little if the board is still establishing the same ground rules. And if Wenger leaves they are not going ot bring in someone who challenges their way of running the club. They will simply bring another yes man who can deliver a consistently competitive product that flatters to deceive and still brings money in. The first change has to be at the board level. If it doesn’t happen there it won’t happen ANYWHERE – mark my words.

Stay Goonerish!!!

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  1. free watches for men 3 January, 2012 at 18:32 Log in to Reply

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  2. mainak 4 April, 2011 at 05:43 Log in to Reply

    Is Arsenal too much dependable on Wenger?? I mean he has no pressure because its clear now he is working for that bastard Gazidis and the board members not for the CLUB…Wenger dont have the fear of sacking because he is making the pockets of the board members and Gazidis heavy with money..He himself said that he will not leave Arsenal even if Arsenal fail to win next season any trophy…He has forgot that its Arsenal FC(Football Club) not Financial Company…He didn’t buy a goalie neither a CB not even loaned a CB,dun knw why…Come on Wenger its high time…No more excuses like the team lacked hunger,power generator of the team stalled etc etc…I mean we need a good CB who will have a physical presence..Squillaci,Denilson,Diaby and Almunia??? Even a baby will say that they are crap….Almunia just took 1game to prove that he is the most INconsistent keeper in EPL…Goalie and Defence is now the real problem….And when we will have a good defence and goalie Fabregas and Nasri will depart and we will have problems in our midfield…We all want to know the real cause and reason for this…It can happen one year bt every year is a real problem…Gooner till my last breath… \m/ Love Arsenal.

  3. joshuad 3 April, 2011 at 21:57 Log in to Reply

    i don’t claim one of these dumb ass titles arsenal internet guys have come up with (doom monger or arsene knows all blind sheep or what ever they’re called). but i am an arsenal fan. that means i’ll keep faith with the team’s pursuit of the championship until it’s impossible for arsenal to win. all teams have a bad run of form and i’m simply hoping that the past month or so is our bad patch and we will push on. like i always say, time will tell.

    when i mentioned our talented players, it was to say that our players are among the best in the league; certainly talented enough to dispose of blackburn.

    gooner49, i agree that dein, like the players wenger inherited, the players wenger brought in, the fans, and wenger himself, created a beautiful picture together. they supported and complimented each other. recently, wenger has gone from being a piece of the puzzle to being the whole picture. the club needs to find the proper balance again. wenger doesn’t need to be sacked, but he does need help; just like he did when he first got to the club. the same goes for some of our players. likewise, we as fans need to do our part in creating a prettier picture. i know that sounds awfully gay but it’s true.

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  5. block93 3 April, 2011 at 19:44 Log in to Reply

    49, 100% agree.

  6. Gooner49 3 April, 2011 at 18:58 Log in to Reply

    I agree with what you say about a lack of leadership from the board and I believe David Dein’s ousting has been a major factor in our lack of success. He was the perfect partner for Wenger. He was an Arsenal Fan on the board who cared about winning. He would get Wenger the players he wanted without worrying about how much they cost. He personally agreed contracts with most of the best players who were in the invincibles team.
    Dein was booted off the board because he wanted to win and wasn’t as worried about a bit of debt. He understood that winning naturally brings financial rewards and he was the only one with the balls to gamble on us winning.

    Lets face it, since David Dein has left it seems perfectly acceptable to the Board for Arsenal FC to come 2nd, 3rd or even 4th in the league and to win no cups. So long as we continue to qualify for the Champions League they seem content.

    Without Dein we have become a club who is scared of spending big on world class players. Dein filled in the gaps in Wenger’s visions, he provided the ingredients he knew the team needed to win in England, ingredients Wenger has proved he doesn’t understand or believe in. Leadership, class, determination and an insatiable desire to be the best.

  7. tunde 3 April, 2011 at 15:10 Log in to Reply

    arsene shuld just go
    he has overstayed his welcome

  8. joshuad 3 April, 2011 at 15:03 Log in to Reply

    my biggest gripe with wenger has been how he’s jettissoned the peer leadership in the team. that leadership is vitally important; even more than the manager’s leadership. too many veterans went out of arsenal too fast. despite all of the talent these kids have, there is no one there to show them how to convert their superior technical skills into winning a bpl championship. there is no one there to get in their face about their lack of effort. there is no one there to show them how to win when a team tries to park the bus or how to win with ten men or how to never lose to spurs or how to be a high end professional every single day.

    the level of talent is why arsenal seem close but the lack of mentorship is why arsenal are so far away. with no mentors, the young guys have to find their own way. i think i compared it to being in the desert with no compass. how long will it take for them to find their way? with no compass, it’s hard to tell.

  9. joshuad 3 April, 2011 at 15:03 Log in to Reply

    my biggest gripe with wenger has been how he’s jettissoned the peer leadership in the team. that leadership is vitally important; even more than the manager’s leadership. too many veterans went out of arsenal too fast. despite all of the talent these kids have, there is no one there to show them how to convert their superior technical skills into winning a bpl championship. there is no one there to get in their face about their lack of effort. there is no one there to show them how to win when a team tries to park the bus or how to win with ten men or how to never lose to spurs or how to be a high end professional every single day.

    the level of talent is why arsenal seem close but the lack of mentorship is why arsenal are so far away. with no mentors, the young guys have to find their own way. i think i compared it to being in the desert with no compass. how long will it take for them to find their way? with no compass, it’s hard to tell.

    • Fred 3 April, 2011 at 15:31 Log in to Reply

      @joshuad,

      I agree. The lack of mentorship is a really big problem. Unfortunately we have developed a team that if one member (eg. Gallas) screams at the others, he is ostracized and sold.

      That said, I question the assumption we have a bunch of “talented kids” with “superior technical skills”.

      Outside of Nasri, Wilshere and Fabregas, none of those definitions apply.

      The team is not as young, talented as it seems. And outside of Nasri and Fabregas none of our players are “technically superior” to players at Man U or Chelsea.

      • DaAdminGooner 3 April, 2011 at 16:23 Log in to Reply

        @Fred,

        Sorry but I would disagree with that – I think what gets Chelsea and United over their humps of tough times is leadership.

        I certainly think Robin Van Persie is technically superior to any of the strikers on those two teams with maybe the exception of Drogba and Chicarito.

        He does it consistently. His only probloem is health and consistent runs of games – he has shown when he has consistent runs he is on par with best strikers in Europe. Furhtermore he not only does it for club but he does it for country.

        • Fred 3 April, 2011 at 16:55

          @DaAdminGooner,

          I dont understand your first paragraph. I already said, we lack leadership/mentorship.

          As for RvP … what exactly does this “technically superior” mean to you? You claim he is better than the likes of Rooney, Berbatov, Anelka BUT less than Drogba (who isnt exactly renowned for his soft touch and close control). So I think our definitions of “technically superior” differ.

          We can go into endless arguments about what “technically superior” means … but lets just stick with the matters at hand.

          RvP is NOT any better than Rooney, Berbatov, Drogba, Anelka, Torres or Suarez.

          Imagine RvP running after being put thru from the halfway line? Nope, he is the only major striker I can not imagine doing that. He is devoid of long term pace and runs like a horse with one leg shorter than the rest. (Not as bad as Chamakh though!). Also, RvP is not renowned for “close control”, “soft touch”, “sublime touches” or anything like that.

          The only skill he really has other than striking the ball really hard (of which he really hasnt done any lately) is that he cuts the ball sharply from his left to his right, dummying the defender. Thats it really. That is his one skill.

          Aerially, he is poor … and ofcourse he doesnt have the physical dynamism to create his own chances (not his fault).

          You gotta accept him for what he is … an instinctive box-striker who can snatch at half chances (eg. CC final goal).

          The false “idea” that he is some sort of “technically superior” striker comes from false comparison to Denis Bergkamp (they are not the same sort of striker). Denis was a Ajax, sublime visionary with perfect close control. RvP is BOMBAST.

          I posit that RvP is a worse (or less effective) striker than Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Drogba, Anelka, Torres, Tevez and Suarez.

          His absence during our last 6 late season crashes have only just increased our view of his real level.

        • ChicagoGooner 3 April, 2011 at 19:02

          @Fred,
          “I dont understand your first paragraph. I already said, we lack leadership/mentorship.”

          DAG, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he’s saying he disagrees with your assertion that “outside of Nasri and Fabregas none of our players are “technically superior” to players at Man U or Chelsea.”

          Personally, I think if you averaged the technical quality of the players on all 3 sides, all would come out about the same. As you both said Leadership is the difference. I’ll also throw in INDIVIDUAL mental toughness/desire to win, and size/physicality.

        • Fred 3 April, 2011 at 17:16

          @DaAdminGooner,

          “Furhtermore he not only does it for club but he does it for country.”

          At the world cup, he was the orphan boy. Sneijder and Robben completely disregarded him. He did absolutely squat at the world cup. Literally the Stephen Guivarch of the team. Stats wise he has a worse percentage (goals per game played or goals per minute played) than Nicklas Bendtner – who is not known as being a top striker.

          I don’t mean to wail on RvP. He is a good player and a very useful player for us …. but I think a lot of fans have vastly overestimated him – due in part to his long absences.

  10. joshuad 3 April, 2011 at 14:30 Log in to Reply

    dag, while i certainly agree with much of what you said, i don’t agree with everything; including “tha, tha, that’s all folks”. there are still 24 points to play for. arsenal have enough talent to claim all 24. what they need is guidance on how to win. then they need the desire and attitude to fight for it. they also need united to drop points. will these things happen? stranger things have happened in football. i’m willing to let time tell.

    i was going to save this until the end of the season but it’s been driving me crazy since october and wenger just touched on it yesterday. he said that arsenal didn’t have the necessary sharpness to win the game. well, we havent’ had it all season. we’ve been relying on individual brilliance or luck to score many of our goals. whether it was samir or arshavin with a fabulous solo effort, chamakh getting someone sent off, song scoring from a ball that wasn’t even intended for him, own goals, and all the etceteras, it’s how arsenal have been picking up points. despite dominating possession in most games, arsenal simply haven’t been creating many good chances from open play this season.

    now, all of the etceteras, individual brilliance, and good luck have run out and we’re still not creating good scoring chances. that means we’re dropping more points. against birmingham in the league cup final, at camp nou against barcelona, even against league 2 teams, arsenal have struggled to score due to the inability to create in the final third. it seems wenger recognized it yesterday and hopefully this week’s training will allow arsenal to develop a true cutting edge to the attack. or is arsenal really that impotent without fabregas? we’ll see.

    • Fred 3 April, 2011 at 15:46 Log in to Reply

      @joshuad,

      I have been saying this for a while now. That our offense is PURELY RANDOM and that there is absolutely NO offensive strategy. Yet everyone pictured me alarmist.

      Our only “strategy” is pass and hope for the best.

      No pre-planned offensive scheme, no targeting weak opponents, no set piece strategy, no mixing and matching varying tactical options to see what might work. Other attacking teams have this, it might not work, but at least you can see them trying something other than the basic. With us, everything is completely random.

      That in a nutshell is what held back the extremely talented “Invincibles” team. No matter how talented they were, in the tough matches or in the latter stages of the CL, they still needed to get some proper tactical direction from their manager. Considering they never actually practised offensive strategies, they would have needed the manager to actually bring some nous to the table.

      Wenger never did and that is why the Invincibles will NOT be remembered by anybody other than Arsenal fans. (Ajax and Milan had unbeaten seasons in the 90s, so from a macro point of view our “invincible” achievement isn’t so special).

      With the Invincibles, Wenger’s lack of an offensive masterplan was hidden behind the sheer talent. But now with a really mediocre set of players, our lack of a blueprint and nous is fully exposed.

      When you add this randomness in offense, to our non-existent defensive strategy, our complete lack of spine down the middle, our lack of a proper GK, our lack of leadership/mentorship, our lack of depth and in some cases, a lack of quality, how can anyone still support Wenger?

      • DaAdminGooner 3 April, 2011 at 16:24 Log in to Reply

        @Fred,

        People still support Wenger because the don’t see him with the same lense you do.

        • Fred 3 April, 2011 at 17:01

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Aha, DAG, the people you speak of don’t use clear lenses … but rather the rose-tinted Wenger prescribed ones sold for 19.95 USD at the stadium ;-)

          I love the way you dont even bother disputing the topic at hand like the randomness of our attack, our lack of defensive strategies, our lack of strength down the middle, etc.

          You implicitly accept all the premises that would make Wenger look really bad … but when its time for the conclusion, there is a reversion to the rose-tinted, “Wenger is OK” philosophy.

          LOL!

      • stag133 4 April, 2011 at 00:13 Log in to Reply

        @Fred, Fred. This team bears absolutely ZERO resemblance to the Invincibles. Please don’t even mention them in the same breath.
        The Invincibles team was CLINICAL.
        They passed and counter-attacked with lightening speed. They didn’t pass the ball around, sideways, backwards… with no effect, with no threat…
        This team just pitter patters around… and it is completely contagious… even Wilshire, on his left foot, in the box… a chance to fire… passes.

        The Invincibles team was GREATNESS.
        The last six seasons have been MEDIOCRITY at its finest.

    • Fred 3 April, 2011 at 15:49 Log in to Reply

      @joshuad,

      “there are still 24 points to play for. arsenal have enough talent to claim all 24. what they need is guidance on how to win. then they need the desire and attitude to fight for it.”

      Come on Josh.

      Guidance from whom? “Desire and attitude to fight” cant be plucked from thin air. You either have it or you dont. This set of players do NOT.

    • DaAdminGooner 3 April, 2011 at 16:26 Log in to Reply

      @joshuad,

      Josh –

      I would love to be proven wrong. The math says we are still in it. I just haven’t seen anything that makes me think we are going to go on a blisterning run or that United are going to suddenly come crashing back to earth.

  11. cesc 3 April, 2011 at 13:52 Log in to Reply

    Manure owe about £800 million. Arsenal owe a pittance.
    Ask the manure fans if they give a toss about the £800 million. I bet you won’t find 1 fan who gives a monkeys. they’ve won 19 titles in the last 25 years that’s all that counts.

    • Fred 3 April, 2011 at 15:23 Log in to Reply

      @cesc,

      The Man U debt is 100% from Glazer. Their transfer policy and day to day expenditure shows a SURPLUS.

  12. ChicagoGooner 3 April, 2011 at 13:47 Log in to Reply

    Mazza, here’s the quote you were trying to think of on the last thread:

    “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second, it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
    -Arthur Schopenhauer

    • vibe4arsenal 3 April, 2011 at 13:58 Log in to Reply

      @ChicagoGooner,

      Perfect.

      It leaves out only ‘denial’, which is the last refuge of those who don’t what to accept reality.

  13. vibe4arsenal 3 April, 2011 at 13:29 Log in to Reply

    I really do wish this whole ‘doomer’ thing would be tabled. In each and every case, it reflects a bias on the part of the poster, no less one who calls themselves a pragmatist.

    No one on here has *ever* predicted the club was ‘doomed’ to abject failure, such as relegation.

    For years, some of have simply said Wenger’s Management policies, largely related to transfers and failure to bring in talent/depth/experience at certain key positions, was significantly flawed. Our forecast wasn’t for ‘doom’. Rather it was more simple: Arsenal would not win this way. Plain and simple.

    The drama of ‘doom’ came from the true believers/eternal optimists/whathaveyou. Those who said (at best) we didn’t know what we were talking about. That AW had a plan that was bigger than we could comprehend. That time would prove *us* wrong.

    Or (at worst) those who would use our opinions as basis to criticize the very nature of our support.

    But who, really, are the cynical fans? Those who have had a clear-eyed enough view of the club to accurately assess our failings and prospects, year after year?

    Or those who call us ‘doomers’ and ‘bad fans’ 7 months of the year, only to predictably disappear, once again, when their own forecasts are, once again, proven wrong? After, as Maz addresses on the other thread, already fearlessly backsliding ‘Well, I’ve been critical of Wenger all along.”

    Is Arsenal doomed? Not even close. Never thought it. Never said it. Never read it.

    But, going on 7 years running, Arsenal will not win ANYTHING without major changes. Obviously, starting at the top. Whether than means Wenger’s stubbornness finally being broken or the man just leaving. Something. Has. To. Change. Or the results will remain the same.

    I imagine we’ll continue to call it as we see it until we see something else. And if people on here don’t have the heart to say ‘Hey, I may have gotten it wrong’, at least have the good grace to acknowledge that perhaps some of us have simply been viewing things realistically all along.

    _______________________________________________________________

    Thank you again (and again), Mike. For giving us a place to vent, argue, celebrate. I enjoy conversing with most here and look forward to doing so in the future. Hopefully, we’ll all have more moments like the one against Barca this year, sooner rather than later.

    • DaAdminGooner 3 April, 2011 at 13:37 Log in to Reply

      @vibe4arsenal,

      Vibe I don’t disgaree – I think some of your more ardent AKBers would write the same thing as you did about their form of support.

      • vibe4arsenal 3 April, 2011 at 13:52 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        I hear you. I’m referring specifically to the term ‘doomer’. Because, as I’ve said before, for awhile (going back to AA) we were arguing *opinions*. For simplicity’s sake ‘The Frugal Youth Policy will work over time’ versus ‘Without spending at key positions, the club will continue to come up short.’

        Years in, we’re still being told the latter opinion is crying ‘doom’. Haven’t we not seen enough results yet to acknowledge the ‘fact’ of failure? (And, yes, trophies are the only measure of success at our level. Flat out. Ask the people who paid top dollar to sit and watch yesterday if they’re receiving enough entertainment value for their dollar.)

        Arsene did *not* know best.

        And I will continue to say that anyone who essentially parrots that by way of argument, doesn’t have much on their side. Less and less, as every year passes.

    • DaAdminGooner 3 April, 2011 at 13:39 Log in to Reply

      @vibe4arsenal,

      And for what it’s worth – even though the likes of Fred and Stag and even some of the AKBers get under my crawl – I know at our core we all want the same thing. Everyone just has their view of how it should be done.

      For me I want us to start at the top and put in a freakin executive who isn’t afriad of Wenger.

      • vibe4arsenal 3 April, 2011 at 13:43 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        “For me I want us to start at the top and put in a freakin executive who isn’t afriad of Wenger.”

        Agree 100%. But he’s here to stay as long as no one questions or inhibits him. As soon as someone stands up to him, I believe he’s gone. Barring a fan revolt, as has been discussed for a couple of years now, the Board is likely satisfied enough with that status quo.

        • DaAdminGooner 3 April, 2011 at 14:00

          @vibe4arsenal,

          A fan revolt even from those who are disgusted and frustrated will never materialize unfortunately.

        • vibe4arsenal 3 April, 2011 at 14:19

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Agree again. But the booing combined with a price raise should reverberate a little more loudly, even in ivory towers.

        • vibe4arsenal 3 April, 2011 at 14:19

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Agree again. But the booing combined with a price raise should reverberate a little more loudly, even in ivory towers.

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