The Arsenal Week in Review – 7.2.2011

It was supposed to be a a week of movementm, of comings and goings. Instead it was a week of continued speculation and inneuendo about transfer dealings. Of course none of them have solidified, but it doesn’t mean they won’t.
Obviously the big news this week was supposed to be a second bid by Barcelona for Cesc Fabregas. Last week the spainards came in and offered around £27 million for Fabrgas. Way below what the club has stated his value has. The Spanish and English press spent the week speculating that Arsenal would finally succumb to Fabregas’ dreams and Barcelona’s repeatted attempts.
For his part Cesc gave another cryptic statement this week. Speaking at a football campus in Tordera, Spain, the 24-year-old was quoted as saying in AS:
“I’m calm and I am optimistic. I have nothing to say and there is nothing to speak of.”
He added: “If something happens, it is because it has to happen. For my part, I’ve begun to get in shape, which is what I have to do.”
“If a player is on the market it is because the club does not want him. I have no problems.”
My biggest problem with Cesc right now is – just say what the hell you mean. Cesc causes more issues with this saga by not clearly stating what his wishes are. Look, ultimately if Cesc were to tell Wenger right now that he aboslutely wanted to leave – this season – I think Wenger would say okay, but I am getting what I want for you. Now, that may have happened and Cesc is trying to play a respectful game but often his comments add more confusion to the matter than needs to exist.
Here it is though, Saturday and the team set to start pre-season training early next week, there is still no deal and no second offer – that we know of. Barcelona and the press seem hopeful that Cesc will not report next week but frankly, that is not his style. And if he reports – well possession is nine-tenths of the law right?
To be honest, I have resigned myself to the fact that Cesc is gone this summer. Of course I’ll be happy if he stays but my thought is this – for 6 years we’ve had a club focused around a cracker of a midfielder that hasn’t netted us anything. Sure there were a few finals and continual deep runs in competitions but that’s it. Maybe it is time to accept that the club has to change course and find a new core to build around – Jack Wilshere anyone?
The other big news is that it now seems like 4 clubs are after Samir Nasri. Arsenal, United, City and now Chelsea. Supposedly United are set to offer £20 million as is City. Chelsea are merely “monitoring” the situation. I have to be honest with you, I know a lot of people that just can’t make sense of this saga – other than it is a Rooneyesque ploy to get the money he wants from the club.
Now, we all know the clubs stated position on giving more money when it is demanded by a player. We are also aware of what Gazidis stated in the the recent AST meeting – he reinforced the clubs principles on being “held hostage” on contract demands. So one of three things will happen with this case – the first is a a dream – Nasri has a nirvana accepts his place in the squad and accepts the original offer (Slightly modified with bonuses). The other two is Nasri pisses off and is sold to another club or Arsenal change their policy and give him his new contract demands.
The worrisome part of the latter is that it only serves as notice that other players can do the same to the club. What’s to stop some of our more promising players of doing the same when their contract is up. Ultimately I am still optimistic that Nasri stays. I think He gets a renewed offer loaded with incentives and bonuses. In typical Arsenal fashion it will be kept quiet so the potential Pandora’s box of contract nightmares doesn’t happen. If not he will be sold.
By the way, Wenger is line for a lot of stick and criticism. He rightly deserves it given how the season ended. However, I do not think the sale of player of Nasri’s potential is likely to be made to any club that is considered a potential rival. Adebayor and Toure are held up as examples to refute this. However, at the time of their sale Toure was considered past his prime and Adebayor only had one good season at the Eastlands. They both have suffered from the dreaded “move away from Arsenal curse” – you were a good player at Arsenal but you’re not much afterwards. Anyway, City have only established them as a rival this season. They were not considered one at the sale of those two. With City now firmly in the mix and United always in the mix, Wenger may be many things but he is not a complete fool to let a player of Nasri’s ability go to one of those clubs. If Nasri doesn’t sign a new deal and is sold I really could Wenger trying to get a deal done in Italy or Spain. But to sell a player like Nasri to rivals would basically solidify that the club management – Wenger included are done.
The other story that started popping up was that City had a £7 million offer for Clichy accepted by Arsenal. Now, let me say this I have found with the supporters I know, less of an issue with Clichy going to City than I have with Nasri. Clichy is a good LB but to some sections of the fans he has increasingly become a defencive liability. But is that true? I recently read a piece on the Anfield Index that puts Clichy in a different light when compared to other “top” left backs. (These charts are taken from the Anfield Index article)
When you look at his defencive numbers some of the criticism of him as a poor left back aren’t rightly justified. One of the compelling numbers I found was dribbled past – a stat that shows how much an opposing player has gotten past him. It is often cited as one of the biggest complaints against Clichy. Compared to Evra, Baines and Cole he is right on par, with Cole being the worst and Enrique being the best. He has the second best tackle success rate and the best interception rate.
Where Clichy is really the liability is in our offencive game. Given that we are more of an offencive club than defencive (who knew) this is the real problem the only area of real strength is his passing. If there is crticism to be levelled of Clichy’s play it is in offencive play not defencive. Frankly if we are improving our defence we should fix the centre – give Clichy a new contract and be done with it. But we won’t.
As those three rumours circulated this week the press like a bunch of sharks started trolling around. There were reports that Van Persie has said he’ll leave if Arsenal don’t sign players or talkSPORT reporting that Jack Wilshere was reportedly questioning the clubs motives and would weigh his options this summer.
Every rumour comes from some where. Given the spotty track record of the English media you can surmise that some of it comes from them trying to sell papers and create speculation. Things like Van Persie could be attributed to his new agent. If there is one player who is staying at Arsenal (and has gone on the record to say it) it is Van Persie. Other rumours start because in the newspapers the guy who writes the article isn’t necessarily the one who writes the headline. Take for instance this morning’s Daily Mirror. The shocking headline read “Nasri Set to Quit Arsenal on Monday.” When you read John Cross’ article it isn’t abut that at all. It is about that famous of all talks – crisis talks – happening. The mirror reports its Nasri wanting assurances while the Guardian says it is Wenger wanting answers. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.
I made the mistake last year of latching on to the Mark Schwarzer story and reporting every little aspect of it thinking it was going to happen. I learned some valuable lessons last summer about reporting on transfer dealings. Most importantly, do not report on anything until you see someone holding up a shirt and there is an official confirmation that it has happened.
And that is why I tell you – don’t believe what you read in the press about players coming or players going until it happens. The only statements to follow are the ones from the club.
In other news –
The Dutch Master himself, God is inching his way further to manager status as he was announced as the new number 2 at Ajax. It will be interesting to see how Ajax play this year. Any sense of success there and no success here will only increase the rumours that a lot of people want – Dennis Bergkamp back at Arsenal. We’ll keep an eye on it.
Jack Wilshere is embroiled in the court case stemming from last summers punch up by some friends of the Arsenal’s promising midfielder. The best part of this story obviously isn’t the case. Its another distraction the club and player don’t need. However after the Mirror decided to call “Jack Wilshire” a cocky player, Jack took to twitter and had this say:
Dear Daily Mirror….ny name is Jack WILSHERE not jack WILSHIRE….spelling correction by ‘cocky arsenal midfielder’
Okay so Jack is a rough kid and still has some growing up to do but he is still just a kid – but I love it. I’m just saying.
And finally this –
You Are My Arsenal launched our forums this week – did you know? Of course you did – I have been ranting about them non stop. Go ahead you know you want to chat over there. We have grown since the launch – but we could use more – come over and chat at www.youaremyarsenal.com/forums
Any way that’s it for another week. The club report back and the first pre-season match is only two weeks away.
Until our next report – Stay Goonerish!!!
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Please Arsenal make moves
At least I can see in writing that others far more involved with the club and sport…. having played professionally WITH Arsenal… Arsenal LEGENDS…. see the same exact stuff we do, and have the same questions we do about Wenger.
This from Ian Wright Wright Wright!
Arsenal legend Ian Wright has questioned Arsene Wenger’s ability to lead the Gunners through the current transfer turmoil that is threatening the club.
Wright, who tasted glory at Arsenal under Wenger, feels the Frenchman is the best manager for the club but does not believe he has the killer instinct needed in the modern transfer market.
Wright does not believe Wenger will make the right decisions with regard to new recruits.
“With Cesc Fabregas looking a goner to Barcelona too, it’s very, very sad to see,” Wright wrote in his column in The Sun. “How on earth will Arsene Wenger attract any top players to Arsenal?
“It’s come to something when a player like Clichy feels Arsenal is not good enough for him anymore.
“I’d love to see Wenger being given the same sort of transfer pot that the likes of Jose Mourinho had at Chelsea, or Andre Villas-Boas will get. The same backing Alex Ferguson enjoys at Manchester United.
“I’d be so curious to see where he goes and what he does with it. But I have my suspicions that he would still dither about, take too long to make up his mind and then plump for someone in France or Spain hardly any of us have ever heard of.
“Fabregas has clearly recognised the fact that Arsenal will not be competing with their rivals in the transfer market. That’s been going on for some time but the whole transfer thing is like a house of cards. Once one big name wants out, the rest see it and it all comes tumbling down.”
Wright feels Wenger should go on the offensive and make bids for players from his big rivals.
“What I’d like to see are some bullish signings,” he said. “Go out and chase the likes of Michael Essien. Get him back on top form and he’s a fabulous player, plus you’d be getting a player from Chelsea, one of Arsenal’s supposed rivals from the Premier League and just across the River Thames.
“Then go for keeper Joe Hart and Vincent Kompany and get your own back on Manchester City. Make the rest of English football sit up and take notice for once – not just Arsenal fans who can see the lights going out on their club.”
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AMEN Ian… a-freaking-men.
At least I can see in writing that others far more involved with the club and sport…. having played professionally WITH Arsenal… Arsenal LEGENDS…. see the same exact stuff we do, and have the same questions we do about Wenger.
This from Ian Wright Wright Wright!
Arsenal legend Ian Wright has questioned Arsene Wenger’s ability to lead the Gunners through the current transfer turmoil that is threatening the club.
Wright, who tasted glory at Arsenal under Wenger, feels the Frenchman is the best manager for the club but does not believe he has the killer instinct needed in the modern transfer market.
Wright does not believe Wenger will make the right decisions with regard to new recruits.
“With Cesc Fabregas looking a goner to Barcelona too, it’s very, very sad to see,” Wright wrote in his column in The Sun. “How on earth will Arsene Wenger attract any top players to Arsenal?
“It’s come to something when a player like Clichy feels Arsenal is not good enough for him anymore.
“I’d love to see Wenger being given the same sort of transfer pot that the likes of Jose Mourinho had at Chelsea, or Andre Villas-Boas will get. The same backing Alex Ferguson enjoys at Manchester United.
“I’d be so curious to see where he goes and what he does with it. But I have my suspicions that he would still dither about, take too long to make up his mind and then plump for someone in France or Spain hardly any of us have ever heard of.
“Fabregas has clearly recognised the fact that Arsenal will not be competing with their rivals in the transfer market. That’s been going on for some time but the whole transfer thing is like a house of cards. Once one big name wants out, the rest see it and it all comes tumbling down.”
Wright feels Wenger should go on the offensive and make bids for players from his big rivals.
“What I’d like to see are some bullish signings,” he said. “Go out and chase the likes of Michael Essien. Get him back on top form and he’s a fabulous player, plus you’d be getting a player from Chelsea, one of Arsenal’s supposed rivals from the Premier League and just across the River Thames.
“Then go for keeper Joe Hart and Vincent Kompany and get your own back on Manchester City. Make the rest of English football sit up and take notice for once – not just Arsenal fans who can see the lights going out on their club.”
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AMEN Ian… a-freaking-men.
Oh and how much more exciting is the summer for fans of ‘buying’ clubs vs ‘selling’ clubs. Get to youtube scout all the potential incomings, get to pass your expert opinion on that guys lack of aerial strength and the other guys outstanding first touch.
Ahhh, one can dream…
Meh. About sums up summer transfer dealings thus far. Nothing to get the fans hopeful, and as an extension, nothing to surprise anyone. Nasri and/or Cesc leaving will further derail the team, but won’t be too surprising if it happened.
At the end of the day, if nothing else, I think we’ll still be interesting to watch next season. Albeit the reason for the interest being to see how much crappier we’ve become over the summer.
I lost a lot of emotional attachment after the CC final. Final straw on the camel’s back sort of thing. I’ll still watch as many games as I can and be entertained.
OK, lets address this notion of REAL FANS… and even band-wagon or casual fans.
Just because you rubber stamp ANYTHING your favorite team does, and support and buy tickets and merchandise regardless of what the team does… does NOT make you a REAL FAN, and others that don’t toe the company line NOT REAL.
Its probably the opposite if anything.
The reality is… the club… ANY CLUB… really need ALL the casual fans and support it can get.
It is sooooooo much about MONEY… and merchandise …
so the casual bandwagon jumping fan is 1000% needed and necessary… the hard-core fan is going to show up regularly, and buy gear regularly… that is NOT enough to bring your product to the masses around the world…. and become a big club… and grow the company name world wide.
the NEW fan… the CASUAL fan… the prawn sandwich fan… the corporate fan… are ALL VERY IMPORTANT to ALL clubs… and Arsenal know that… they cater to it … but they believe there is an ENDLESS SUPPLY of them running to the Emirates…
The club has shown it doesn’t really care what the Arsenal Supporters Trust says… or other Supporters groups… the 6.5% rise in prices thumbs its nose at these groups… Wenger’s utter disdain for fans outcry… shows this as well.
Time is REALLY running out… and the bus that runs over this team and club without BIG changes this off-season… is coming.
i still PRAY that we rid ourselves of the dead weight in Almunia, Bendtner and Denilson at the very least…
they have ZERO place at the club… 2 of them ASKED OUT.
We need at LEAST 3 or 4 players coming in…
That’s not even discussing Nasri and Cesc… if either or both go, ADD 2 players each that would need to come IN.
Clubber, what’s your prediction for the fight? : “PAIN”.
That’s my prediction for Arsenal FC this year, if this fucking non-sense continues for the next few weeks. :skeleton:
Again, another excellent, pin-point comment from the AT comments:
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Arsene Wenger continues to go on about Citeh’s ‘financial doping’. Yet by my estimation, if Nasri is also sold to them for the reported £20 mil, then Wenger in the past three years would have scooped £68 million i transfer fees from Man Citeh. Sooo….’financial doping’ and evil Man City. Yet, Wenger is more than happy to rinse them of their funds to serve his greedy scumbag mates on the board and our scummy speculator Kroenke.
As for Gibbs? He is shit. End of. Crock, injures himself combing his hair, an even worse defender than Clichy. Expect more hilarity. Ooooh I forget, there’s Carl Fucking Jenkinson to come in too, and the poor man’s Kalou GERVINHO!
Farcical club, farcical fanbase.
I blame the fans for the state this club is in. I read today that City’s sheikhs were worried about the reaction of Man City fans, and that this was why they refused to sell Tevez last January. That is CITY’s owners with unlimited dosh.
Yet at Arsenal, Hill-Wood abuses the fans in the press and makes threats, Wenger insults fans with ‘I’d take second place for the next twenty years’ and ‘not worked half a day in football’.
After the WORST farce season in living memory where we lost a cup final to a relegated rubbish side, the shifty Yank in charge had the cheek to raise ticket prices by 6.5%.
And guess what? The brainwashed mug sheep who fill the Emirates all paid up, all bought the new commemorative jockey strip and even paid for Emirates cup tickets!!!! Could you imagine the reaction at a serious big club if their manager had gone three years without a single pot AND consistently lost their best players AND overpaid shit like Diaby, Denilson and Bendtner, AND played Almunia in goal so long AND dared to disregard the fans??!!!!
They would tear him limb form limb and he’d have to go into hiding.
At Arsenal I have always said this: the fans are a reflection of the manager.
And Wenger is a massive cowardly pussy. As are the AKBs.
They deserve each other, and next season out of the top 4 will see this joke club under this joke arrogant manager finally get their comeuppance: EUROPA LEAGUE FOOTBALL. I’d love it, if only to see the look on Gazidis and Kroenke’s faces as the CL cash cow ceases to exist!
@Fred,
That the Rashlikenov guy? He’s rapidly becoming a legend.
good god, I am so glad this guy is running (or ruining?) our club…
from GIVE ME FOOTBALL NOW:
Frugal Frenchman Sticks to his Guns:
“Arsene Wenger says he’s not prepared to jeopardise the financial stability of the club by splashing the cash in order to end a six-year wait without a trophy at a stroke.
The philosophical Frenchman has always understood and accepted the Arsenal way, and neither he nor the board are about to change their stance on club finances.
Wenger will continue to build and re-build, bring through young talent and track down potential stars of the future from the continent. He’s done it many times before, he will do again.”
GOOD FUCKING GRIEF… HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO HEAR THIS DRIVEL… its Groundhog Day…
The fans… are the biggest fools for putting up with this shit and even paying a 6% increase for it.
Thank you sir, may I have another…
by the way… FUCK OFF Arsene. You SUCK. :skeleton:
@stag133,
That is why I can’t wait for Nasri and Fabregas to leave. Only then will the AKBs who still support him see clearly what Wenger is doing to the club.
@stag133,
You can see why I was calling the stupid twat all manner of names under the sun a few years ago can’t you?
Feels like I’m about to watch a film that’s been in the works for a decade or more.
@Mazza, Or it is like watching endless sequels of the same film. The story and ending are always the same but the villians keep increasing with each sequel. Before the films only had 1-2 evil types (red devil and spurs in minor role) but now there are atleast 10–11 villians and seems no shortage for future spin-offs. Hollywood could learn a lot from Arsene FC. When Hollywood raised ticket prices, they offered 3D showings. Arsenal raised ticket prices for a poorer print of the same film. Forget digital or 35mm, Arsenal are now offering 8mm at the highest prices. Funny, there still seems to be a queue to buy tickets.
@sachin, actually the blogs or even comments on sites are 80% AGAINST Wenger and his stupidity… Wenger get the feck out you asshole … is no becoming much more commonplace… only a FEW of the holdouts saying they love the club no matter what… (which means, shit on my shoe, please, I love it)…
there is going to be some SERIOUS backlach before the season even begins if there are not some BIG signings… you mark my words… MOST fans are NOT happy…. they are PISSED OFF.
As per Zanetti, it seems Alvarez is a done deal to Inter although no official confirmation yet. Still, I didn’t expect that Arsenal were going to sign him. Arsenal have seemed to be linked with a lot but I would not be surprized if nothing materializes. Of course there is no rush really. There is an entire summer to get deals done and why would Arsene want to splash out money when there are always juicy deals to get done on deadline day such as the gem that was Silvestre a few years ago. Waiting to see who will be the new ‘Silvestre’ that Wenger will proudly acquire on the final day of the window.
IF Wenger was really serious …. he would just go out plump 55 Mill for Cahill, Baines, Parker and Oxlade-Chamberlain. Give Lansbury, Frimpong and Bartley low numbers to signify that they are in the squad.
This immediately solves most of our issues, creates excitement amongst the fans and immediately removes the doom spiral trend we are on.
He then waits three days for the news to settle … then he offers Nasri the 110kpw he wants. And tells him to sign it immediately. Hopefully Nasri signs.
Now in full momentum, you now call Fabregas into your office and offer him a new wage of 180 kpw but with no extension in end of contract. So pretty much just a wage increase. He would sign it as it doesn’t affect his ability to leave next year.
Once he signs, the team is settled. And the team is stronger. And set to actually compete for the next year.
Whilst doing all this, hire new defensive coaches and tacticians.
Then go for the Asia tour.
All the club will then have to do for the rest of summer is getting rid of: Denilson, Diaby, Almunia, Squillaci, Eboue, Bentner, Rosicky, Vela.
Combined, surely this eight players can bring in at least 30 million whilst also saving us millions in wages. Meaning net transfer expenditure would be just 25 million.
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Needless to say Wenger would rather die than make any radical changes.
Just trying to stay positive here.
@Fred, that’s way too simple… to actually make moves for the above players NOW? when there are still weeks to go before the season starts?
signal the intent of the club to compete for trophies by signing players? and thus showing Nasri and Cesc we mean business (not literally, as we always mean business!).
that’s radical stuff Fred. Can’t be done. Transfers take a LONG time to happen… not weeks or months… they take seasons. Maybe in January? (thought that’s a bad buyers market)
@Fred, actually given how Arsene has not apparently spent the 30 million or so he has had for years (???), even a 25 net expenditure this summer would mean he would not have spend beyond Arsenal’s means. But like stag says, too simple. That is not the Arsene way. I am sure in Arsene’s mind the next phase of the endless project is already forming and he is probably hoping to sign a few more 16 year olds from a few other teams. His next goal now is to win a trophy with an average squad age of 19.23 years. For that he will want to be judged in 2014. If that fails, then in 2014 the goalposts will be moved again and the next phase of the project until 2019 would be to win a trophy with an average age of 17.45 years.
All the best Gael. Gael has been a loyal and hardworking player for AFC, I hope he does well in his future career. No one can begrudge him a chance at winning something after enduring the last 6 years of famine at Arsenal. I liked the way he went about his business with a quiet humility. I can’t believe he’ll earn K90pw, that’s incredible for a LB who isn’t 100% guaranteed a starting role. A LB on K90pw – go figure. If we replaced him with a better player his leaving would be a good thing – I doubt that will happen. But….his tendency to be central to calmity, his poorly developed defensive focus, and his lack of technique in the attacking third mean I’m not too fussed.
So on the day that City sign Clichy they get their own bit of bad news as Carlos Tevez released the following statement:
“It is with great regret that I have to inform Manchester City of my wish to leave the club. I would like to state that I have great respect for the club, its supporters and the owner, Sheik Mansoor, who has been nothing other than respectful to me.
‘I hope that the people understand the difficult circumstances I have been living under the past 12 months, in regards to my family.
‘Living without my children in Manchester has been incredibly challenging for me. Everything I do, I do for my daughters, Katie and Florencia. I need to be closer to them and to spend more time with them.
Family man: Tevez insists he has to be closer to his two young daughters Florencia (left) and Katie, currently living with their mother Vanesa in Buenos Aires ‘I need them to be happy because my life is about them now. I need to be in a place where they can adapt.
‘Being captain of Manchester City, qualifying for the Champions League, winning the FA Cup and finishing as top-scorer last season has made me very proud.
‘I hope that most of the City fans will un
derstand that I have given them my all on the pitch and that my dedication to the city cause has been 100 per cent on the pitch.
‘I hope I have done my bit to help City continue their progress towards their ambition to be champions of England and to advance in the Champions League. I have no doubt that the players and management of City will achieve great success in the future.’
What was redacted was the part he said about I can’t take a club seriously that signs Gael Clichy.
@DaAdminGooner, really DAG? how about a club who continue to sell starters… their best player, and captains?
yeah, we’re a serious JOKE.
City finished AHEAD of us, remember? and we sold them our starting left back, with no replacement.
If we don’t bring in someone who has EPL experience, it will be yet another case of trial and error at the defensive end.
Yes, surely I’m waiting to hear how it was “good business”.
Clichy was a good professional. Never said shit … just played football… with mostly STOOGES in the middle of defense, and a shit keeper as well.
Good Luck Gael… your a lot closer to a trophy today, than you were yesterday.
@stag133,
Stag if you don’t see the fact that that comment was tongue in cheek you might want to consider having your sense of humour checked.
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@DaAdminGooner, not reading anything that way! sorry DAG… I’m just too pissed off to see “tongue in cheek” or “humor” in anything Arsenal FC…
I will try and take a bit of a holiday from “football”…. maybe play a little golf… walk in the sun…
the thought of suffering through ANOTHER season of shit is just excruciating.
@DaAdminGooner, not reading anything that way! sorry DAG… I’m just too pissed off to see “tongue in cheek” or “humor” in anything Arsenal FC…
I will try and take a bit of a holiday from “football”…. maybe play a little golf… walk in the sun…
the thought of suffering through ANOTHER season of shit is just excruciating.
It’s been confirmed. Clichey to City is final.
They now have Clichey, Boateng and Kolarov figting it out for that position.
Just give them back the 7M and take Boateng. When fit he is awesome and had an excellent WC for Germany. Better in the air, better defensively and can play across the back line.
WTH
@Caribkid, And Kolarov has a mean lefty FK, right up there with the Liverpool LBs (Fabio Aurelio and Leighton Baines)…..
Maybe Clichy got tired of actually having to play (and getting screamed at for screwing up by the fans) while others on similar salaries didn’t have to…..Personally I can’t see this one coming back to bite us in the ass, though I am rather curious what the plan is at LB……
@Caribkid,
I think Boateng is looking to leave for Bayern. He wants to play CB too.
I agree though, Boateng, he is a solid player.
Nero Wenger would not like serious players like him though. Wenger prefers the Eboue, Diaby, Song type of African.
@Fred, Yeah, I know he is looking to go to Bayern but both sides were haggling about transfer fee.
He just may like the lights of London over Munich though.
:-))
Happy 4th to those on this side of the pond…..
I’ve been gone for a bit (no ‘puter) and thought, for sure, something (anything) would be done and dusted upon my return, but alas, no…..
It doesn’t seem good. Looking through the “news” sites it appears that we can’t clean out the dead wood and we can’t get anybody in and the bigger questions are no closer to being answered (while new ones keep popping up)….. If anything is close it might be Gervinho in and Clichy out (which seems OK by me)…..
Something’s gotta give and my guess is that it’s 70-30 that we’re going to lose both Nasri and Cesc. But then what to do with the money? For me, given the crucial matches at the start of our season, I’m not sure that the money can be put to good use in the near term, which is a reason, I think, that there’s a chance, albeit remote, that both might sign new (and lucrative) contract extensions. But then that makes me wonder if it’s such a good idea to build a new “wage structure” around long-term wantaways and mercenaries….
The carryover from last season is bad. Nobody seems to be making ANY sort of statements about standing up for the team. Vultures are circling and even silly ideas seem plausible. (Chelsea in for Theo, RVP handing in a transfer request?) I’m not one to go in for every rumor (rumour?) but we could use a piece of better news sooner than later.
Personally I’d like to see Arsenal move towards a roster that would support a faster, more direct style of play, with a team full of players who can (and are willing to) pass AND move. Retaining players like (over-the-hill, out of shape) Arshavin, Bendtner, Rosicky and Denilson does not bode well. Vela, IMO, can move himself and the ball fast enough and Theo can certainly move himself quickly and maybe there’s enough dynamism with RVP doing his thing up front. But a midfield w/o Cesc’s passes (and goals) will (my opinion again) be on the ponderous side. Ramsey’s return did not indicate that he’s prepared to move with the pace he had before getting hurt. And if it’s true that we’re turning down money for Diaby, we’re going to need his new ankles to be bionic (and his head to be screwed on straight)…..
And then there’s the defense and questions about those guys and the bi-poles in goal (with Mooney as 3rd choice?!?) and it all gets even more depressing. Has there ever been a moment where we more needed Arsene to know best and actually ACT upon that knowledge? Those in the fan-base who haven’t already turned on him only need a single bad early season result to do so. It could get ugly very, very quickly. Playing without a home field advantage is no way to grind out (needed) results…..
Hopefully this is the nadir, a mid-summer low spot of misinformation from which we can only ascend. I wonder…..
Just to confirm a couple bits of news today:
1. It does look like Clichy is having his medical today at City
2. Fabregas was part of the squad that begun pre-season training
3. Wenger has reaffirmed that if he has to sell Nasri it will not be to a rival club.
Clichy is having a medical at ManCity.
wonderful stuff Arsene.
The big rumor is that Nasri and Clichy are both going for a combined 27 Million. Why would we sell to a team that is BETTER than we are? Improving a team that finished ahead of us?
It is said that when Cesc & Nasri return, they’ll hand in their transfer requests… because Arsene has not only NOT brought in improvements to the team… once again, we’ve gone backwards, SELLING a fucking starter with no proper replacement.
ANGER is what I am feeling again. RESIGNED to the fact that Wenger and the Board are dismantling this ONCE GREAT TEAM.
And with doing so, INCREASED ticket prices… and are going to try and sell the fan base some absolute load of SHIT about how we’ll be better next year… and can win something.
I wouldn’t be shocked if someone molotov cocktailed the stadium. Its INFURIATING. :skeleton:
dag, cesc must proceed with caution with what he says. he’s the arsenal captain contracted for the next four years. barcelona have only toyed with the idea of making a legitimate bid for him. cesc has seen first hand how quickly your legacy and years of service can be ruined by watching players, namely ashley cole, say and do the wrong things. he’s doing the best he can to not antagonize barcelona or arsenal fans. he’s not going to give you what you’re looking for and if he does, it will be by accident.
my man fred. i have never blamed fabregas or any other young player for arsenal ever having a poor season; once again, that’s something you’ve made up. that means your argument is not with me but, once again, a figment of your imagination. and what is it with you and the name-calling? you take me back to second grade with that regressive nonsense. let’s keep it grown men talking about football.
what i did mention is how arsenal has continually changed formations and even cesc’s position in the side to accommodate him and how it has failed for six straight years. i also mentioned how fabregas does not want to be here. considering those two factors, despite his tremendous talent, i don’t believe arsenal can win the league with cesc. be mindful that there is no requirement for us to share this belief.
rocka, the argument that cesc needs better players around him is legit. question is who are those better players. do you pay 28 million to lazio for a world class juan sebastian veron or 2 million to milan for a little-known lanky 19 year old from senegal named patrick vieira? do you pay 24 million for shevchenko or 12 million for henry? if it’s about the quality of the players ask this question: what happens when you take a 24 year old fabregas and put him in the invincible’s side? where does he fit?
in closing, this league is an absolute beast and you don’t know how the players will respond until they’ve experienced that ferocity first hand. if getting assists was all that was required from a midfield player with aspirations to win the league, arsenal would have repeated with fabregas in midfield. unfortunately for us, this league requires a bit more from their midfield players. maybe wenger has his tactics spot-on and all that’s required is for vermaelen to provide leadership in that final third as we had none this season. at the end of the day, this is all theory; minimal fact mixed with maximum fan bullshit. don’t take this so personal, boys.
@joshuad,
Josh, don’t get emotional man. Show me where exactly I called you names and I would apologize.
1) Fabregas changed positions? He has only played in 2 positions and formations at Arsenal – 4-4-2 and the AM in a 4-3-3 so what you talking about willis?
2) Again with the idiotic notion that we can’t possibly win the league with BY FAR OUR BEST PLAYER – with the stats and the certified chance creation of Europe”s premier assistmaker – when the team is filled with NO DM, NO proper CM, CBs that make lots of individual mistakes, and lame forwards.
Please name ONE competent midfielder Fabregas has played with in the last 6 years (other than Flamini). Name just ONE!
This argument point is more idiotic than your whole “Denilson is like Beckenbauer” argument. Sorry.
3) Your fourth paragraph is utter nonsense. Sure there are NO better midfielders or players than ours in the whole of Europe!!! Sure, keep your head in the sand.
This is the same BS argument you were mouthing in January when we stood pat and did nothing. “Oh, there is nobody out there”.
Surely nobody we could have got in the last SIX years. We have needed a proper DM for 4 years now. Instead we have one BS, slower than a tanker, thick half wit (Song) ambling around the place.
Whatever man.
4) Where does he fit in the Invincibles? If he played in the Invincibles, and the Invincibles played 4-3-3 … he rotates with Bergkamp. Vieira (CM), Gilberto (DM), Pires and Ljunberg on the wings. Henry up top. That could have been the key to unlocking the CL door as well.
Instead he is left with completely NO support staff whatsoever.
5) “Maybe Wenger has his tactics right”.
That phrase shows what planet you live in really.
Like I said, I really can’t wait for Fabregas to leave this junk Wenger contraption, so that Diaby, Gervinho, Denilshit (aka Beckenbauer), Eboue and all the other absolute donkeys can all have the space to WIN THE EPL!
Only thing stopping them winning the league is Fabregas dragging them down !!!
Why do people continue to call Nasri greedy for wanting his fair share.
On the free market he would definitely get more money than the 90 k he is being offered so why should he not ask for that? Especially when there is absolutely no success to mollify him with anyway.
If Denilshit, Almunia, Eboue, Diaby and the other craven clowns are all on 60 kpw why should Nasri agree to 90 kpw? Especially when those players on 60 kpw are BIG NEGATIVES for the club.
Also remember that any contract he signs now takes him to his late 20s. He will be freaking darned to accept such a mediocre wage.
Sorry, I don’t blame Nasri in the least. He gotta look after himself rather than waste his entire career without a trophy and without good pay whilst playing with donkeys.
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Why is Bergie being called the “Great Dane” – last time I checked he was Dutch not Danish!
Wenger OUT. Bergkamp IN.
The stats “backing up” Clichy’s alleged defensive solidity fall flat when it is listed that he has only ONE defensive error!!!
LOOL!!!
Either way, there is no option of “offering him a new contract”. He has already told Nero Wenger that he wants to leave.
Clichy might be a thick, blunder machine but he is not stupid enough to want to be stranded on a sinking ship. And for that I have some new found respect for him.
Ramsey on the other hand is kicking himself daily for choosing Wenger FC over Man U.
@ Josh (from last thread):
“as for tactics, i mentioned that i didn’t believe arsenal could win the league with fabregas. all of our midfield and forward players, including fabregas, are playing out of position to accommodate cesc. we don’t even have a #9 for crying out loud. since fabregas has assumed duties of the main man in midfield, arsenal have gone from a strong, dominant team that always competes and finishes first or second to a soft touch that has continually failed to compete or finish any higher than third.
in fairness to cesc, his two predecessors in that position are two of the most complete midfield players i’ve ever seen in vieira and petit. likewise, cesc was only 17 when he took over the role. despite fabregas’ obvious world class talent, the bpl seems to require midfield players with a different skill set from fab’s to win it’s trophy. lastly, winning the league requires a captain with a strong desire to win the league. cesc’s desire seems to be to winning in spain. my theory regarding cesc could be wrong but it’s what i believe. we’ll see what arsenal does.”
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Again, you keep repeating the meme that Fabregas is not a fit AM for the EPL.
Utter, utter, utter bollocks!
So you are not blaming Fabregas for not having a true Number 9? How on EARTH is that Fabregas’ fault? incredible!
Fabregas has the MOST assists of ANYBODY (including Xavi/Iniesta) in the whole of Europe over the last five years!
He has BY FAR the most assists in the EPL!!! No one comes even remotely close!
Instead, you ridiculously blame him for being played beside UTTER GARBAGE players like Song, Denilshit, Diaby and all other sorts of gorrilla players.
The only midfield player he has played with who was remotely competent was Flamini! Every other one was a complete or borderline donkey.
Which REAL forward has Fabregas ever had to play with? Name just ONE please!
That buffoon Adebayor?? Or that one legged horse Persie? Or should we start talking about the disasters like Chamakh, Bendy, Vela and the other craven fools?
Apart from his top assist in Europe status, France Football (which gives the Ballon D’Or) ranked him last summer as the NUMBER ONE in Europe with regards to 1) number of successful forward short passes, 2) number of successful forward long passes in the air (Xavi beats him for long passes on ground) PER GAME.
The facts show that Fabregas has been a barnstorming success in the EPL … the ONLY player holding Arsenal in the top four. The current team is so garbage it would NOT make the top four without him YET you blame him for Arsenal not winning the league. Just fucking incredible.
Maybe you should start pointing at the egotistical fool who is managing the team and filling it with junk players.
I can’t wait for Fabregas to leave so that this “glorious” and “majestic” team can finally WIN THE LEAGUE!!!!
Only Fabregas getting in their way!
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PS: And please DONT compare this team in any way, shape or form to Ajax 95.
I have first hand experience with Ajax 95 – attended the home games at the old stadium from 92 to 97.
Please dont try to sully the Ajax 95 team’s name and memory with that ridiculous comparison. Some youngster who wasn’t around in the 90s might now start thinking that the Ajax team was some BS team filled with clowns and managed by a tactical retard.
Clichy is a good LB.
I’ve said it repeatedly… and the haters think he’s the cause of our problems defensively. They’re having a laugh.
If we had proper CB’s, and a real No.1 keeper, he’d be an asset.
Liverpool and City are trying to STEAL him for short money.
And we’ve got nobody to replace him that is close to being as good. If you think Gibbs is the immediate answer, you’re in Wenger-Land.
Without QUALITY players coming in… very soon, you are going to see an UPRISING at the club, from fans and players alike. This is a crucial / pivotal off-season… and we’ve done FECK ALL … its July 2nd… why hasn’t anything been done?
there are NO excuses.
I hope they burn the new stadium down if this shit continues.
@stag133,
Still don’t rate Clichy at all. But then again, we won’t buy a replacement.
But not to worry, according to some we cant possibly do any business before July 1st (even though Man U and the other teams are spending to improve their squad), so from now in …. WHILST in pre-season we would be seeing the flood of players coming in! Allegedly.
Accept it, We are NOT buying anybody this summer other than Gervinho. And we are letting go of only three – Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy. Everybody else STAYS – including our favorite chums, Denilson, Diaby, Eboue and Almunia. Even crockpot Rosicky doesnt want more playing time – so he wants to stay. Why work hard for 40k per week at another club when you can do absolutely NOTHING at Arsenal for 70k per week!
By the way, the incoming dude Gervinho is best buddies with Eboue!! He also seems to have similar exaggerated mannerisms as Eboue does. And he is known to like a roll around on the grass as well!
Just great isn’t it?
@Fred, I hear you on Clichy, he’s not error free at all, and has his lapses… but every Arsenal defender is known for them… perhaps except Sagna…
and part of it is down to playing with rubbish CB’s.
I’d rather have Clichy starting… than Gibbs… any day of the week…
I haven’t seen a lot of Gervinho, but what I have seen, he did NOT stand out… who else is interested in him? haven’t heard anyone else chasing him…
the time going by is more and more worrisome… closer and closer to training camp, and the Asian tour…
and we are doing our usual NOTHING…
at the very least… we should have jettisoned the misfits we have… what is Almunia still doing here, Denilson? Eboue? Bendtner? what are we waiting for on these players? release them if necessary…
@Fred, I hear you on Clichy, he’s not error free at all, and has his lapses… but every Arsenal defender is known for them… perhaps except Sagna…
and part of it is down to playing with rubbish CB’s.
I’d rather have Clichy starting… than Gibbs… any day of the week…
I haven’t seen a lot of Gervinho, but what I have seen, he did NOT stand out… who else is interested in him? haven’t heard anyone else chasing him…
the time going by is more and more worrisome… closer and closer to training camp, and the Asian tour…
and we are doing our usual NOTHING…
at the very least… we should have jettisoned the misfits we have… what is Almunia still doing here, Denilson? Eboue? Bendtner? what are we waiting for on these players? release them if necessary…