The Case for Arsene Wenger
The critique most often advanced against Arsenal is that the team lacks a “plan B“. This trope has become so ingrained in the conventional wisdom that it has practically become a catch-all talking point whenever Arsenal lose, regardless the reason. What the argument basically consists in is that Arsenal have only one gear: a one-touch style, with flowing movement, an abundance of passing options, and a willingness to pass sideways or even backwards if it means retaining possession. When this approach fails to yield winning football, the argument continues, Arsenal don’t have a recourse, or plan B.
In addition to the argument that Arsenal lack a plan B, it is often advanced that the team’s “plan A” as it were is not a winning philosophy. According to this line of argument, the Arsenal way, though aesthetically pleasing, isn’t tough or direct enough for English football and is ultimately destined to fail. To win in English football, you have to be more pragmatic and physical than Arsenal’s style on the pitch permits. Arsenal must embrace winning “ugly” and “pragmatically” or risk extending their trophy-less drought.
These arguments presume, on the face of it, that something has changed, either in Wenger’s on-the-pitch philosophy or in English football, since Arsenal last lifted a trophy in 2005. After all, the Arsenal way can’t be inherently flawed if it’s yielded trophies in the past. It seems to me that notwithstanding significant personnel changes (more on that later), Wenger’s footballing philosophy has remained much the same since he came to England. Whereas he was celebrated for his idealism when Arsenal won trophies, he faces criticism for it now that they don’t. What this suggests is that the critique of Wenger’s philosophy is reactionary: if the Arsenal way is problematic, it ought to be criticized regardless of the results it produces.
It might be argued that the arrival of Jose Mourinho in England heralded a shoring up of Premier League defences that Wenger has failed to take into account. In his maiden season in the Premier League, Mourinho’s Chelsea conceded a record-low of only 15 goals — less than half the number allowed by Wenger’s ’98 and ’02 champions. In their second of three successive title-winning campaigns, Manchester United went a record 14 consecutive matches without conceding a single goal. This argument doesn’t pass muster, however. The record-setting Chelsea and United defences are likely to have been an exception, not the new normal; and for their part, Arsenal’s recent successes came on the back of strong defences, not despite leaky ones. In their Invincibles season, Arsenal conceded 26 goals, an amount comparable to United’s 27 in ’07 and 24 in ’09. In their run to the ’06 Champions League Final, despite a shoestring team selection, Arsenal went a record ten consecutive matches without giving up a goal, shutting out Real Madrid, Juventus, and Villareal along the way. It is debatable that English football has fundamentally changed to become more defensively sound, but even if it has, Wenger has shown that his philosophy is compatible with defensive success.
It is often said that at the outset of his Arsenal career Wenger could afford a blindspot for defence, given the legendary back five he inherited in 1996. To make this argument is to ignore the manager’s extraordinary effect on extending his veterans’ careers (an effect they testify to themselves), and his judgement in keeping their defensive arrangement intact while he went about overhauling the midfield and attack. Furthermore, it denies Wenger credit for assembling the Invincibles’ title-winning defence, which included none of the famed Adams, Bould, Winterburn, Dixon, or Seaman.
Arsenal’s recent shortcomings have not come as a result of some deep flaw in Wenger’s on-the-pitch football philosophy, be it lack of a plan B or defensive naivety.
This brings me to the off-the-pitch critiques of Wenger. Any discussion of the Arsenal way since their last trophy in 2005 would be incomplete without an assessment of the youth-movement Wenger has introduced as the team has moved into its new stadium. The chief argument levelled against Wenger on this front is that the kids he has blooded into the team haven’t been ready or haven’t properly learnt the winning mentality necessary for success in England. Moreover, the argument goes, Wenger hasn’t stocked the squad with enough veteran players, mature physically and mentally, from whom the youth could learn how to win without the pressure of having to do it all themselves. Lately, when Arsenal face the best, it is “men against boys“.
It pains me to admit it, but Arsenal’s performances on the pitch in the last couple years bear witness to the strength of this argument. In particular, in this season and last, they’ve been smashed in their biggest games against their two biggest rivals: ’08 FA Cup 5th rd vs United; ’09 FA Cup Semi-Final vs Chelsea; ’09 Champions League Semi-Final vs United; 4 League meetings vs Chelsea and United in ’09 and ’10. The results speak for themselves.
In my opinion Arsenal’s recent shortcomings are down to the quality of the players. Hleb was not the peer of Ljumberg, Diaby not up to Vieira’s standard, Almunia an embarrassment next to Lehmann at his best. Critics charge that the youth-movement is motivated by Wenger’s footballing idealism, but that fails to account for they way Arsenal leaned on their veterans in their trophy-winning years. The youth-movement, I believe, is not so much a feature of Wenger’s distinctive view of football as it is mandated by the club’s finances. Now that they are beholden to the same financial reality as Arsenal, United have declared themselves a club whose transfer policy is structured around acquiring and developing young, affordable talent as well. The responsibility for the squad’s quality rests with the manager, of course, but it’s important, I think, to bear in mind not only the club’s austere budget since moving stadiums, but also a long view of the club’s performance.
Looking back, the first campaign at the new stadium, ’07, was the only year Arsenal failed to be competitive at the business end of the season. ’06 was the Champions League Final. In ’08, the team led the League till February, and on that display were a serious contender in Europe. In ’09, despite the midseason lull, Arsenal had beaten Chelsea and United in the League, making them a genuine big-game threat in both cup competitions, in each of which they made the Semi-Final. Wenger has kept Arsenal in the mix for trophies throughout a phase when he has had to tighten the belt financially while the rest of the League beefed up in unprecedented proportions on the back of sketchy borrowing practices or billionaire benefactors.
Meanwhile, the club has become a preeminent destination for talented youth the world wide, and has established a footballing ethos the envy of every team in Europe but Barcelona. Arsenal is a club unique in their philosophy of bringing along a cadre of players who grow up together and want to win for each other, prizing an attacking style, while competing at such a high level. It’s an almost unprecedented venture in modern football. In terms of finances and talent, Arsenal is better positioned for the future than any other club in the League, and perhaps Europe.
Since that first season in the new stadium, Liverpool haven’t won a trophy either, though their trophy-less drought goes largely unnoticed by the media. Chelsea have won but one FA Cup since the departure of Mourinho, and two FA Cups constitute their entire trophy haul since ’06. During this period only United, enjoying the service of the best player in the world, have thrived. Going back to ’95, only three managers have won Premier League titles: Wenger, Mourinho, and Alex Ferguson. Who better than Wenger, a manager who’s won the League before and has an unparalleled history of developing talent, to foster the youth upon whom the club will be dependent long after he’s moved on. And who better than the professor to see through the unique vision he set out upon.
The only way to make an honest case for Wenger is to face the arguments against him head-on. His squad haven’t been up to his ambitions for some years now, but they are finally turning the corner, the third best team in the League, as much superior to than the rest as they are worse than Chelsea and United. They are the club best positioned for the future in the League. His footballing philosophy has won before and it can win again.
This exercise has reaffirmed my faith in the man and his project, and I hope it has for readers of this blog as well.
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Thank goodness we’ve got a match today and can get away from this sort of stuff. I find it awfully depressing. Obviously, I’m behind Arsene and the Club and its attempts to financially position itself for a bright future. It is inexplicable to me that people feel otherwise, but they have the right to do so. We’re fortunate in that we have a place to discuss these things, but people’s views become so hardened that it really does seem that some are happiest when we lose (this is the gloating idea). To me, that’s just a sad state of affairs.
So, I appreciate Alex’s article, but I find it interesting that it starts and continues in a defensive manner. The bottom line to me is that we’ve had a plan in place for a very long time (10 years +) and things went very well at the beginning but not so well lately. Having watched the highlights of our Invincible season (Thanks Stag) it is amazing what a single player (Thierry Henry) having a world beating season can do for a team. A supporting cast of intelligent hardworking players (Viera, Bergkamp, Cole and esp. Pires) make it look SO easy. Add in a few up and coming prospects and a reasonably solid defense and it’s quite a festival….It should still be noted that they won just the single prize that year (in historic style of course) so, still, key matches were lost, etc.
By contrast we’re in the midst of crunch time with the current season and the injuries just keep coming (thoughts on today’s match on that thread). Perhaps we have leaned on youth a bit too much, but I still think that idea, combined with financial discipline when it comes to transfers (imagine if we’d bought Arshavin for the 30 mil GBP that Zenit wanted in summer of ’08) is the right long-term approach. Josh has it right…Should we root for families/people/organizations that only think about things right now? That spend their money as if there’s no tomorrow? It’s a fine line between appreciating the present and planning for the future but it’s one that must be walked.
The change in transfer policy due to the stadium move is a stance I’ve continually argued. Why, because it’s the only one that makes sense. Who has a more legitimate explanation? If Wenger found success winning numerous titles doing business one way, then why would he change that? Who actually believes Wenger has lost his mind?
When we moved to the Emirates, the statement that always came from Wenger’s mouth is that he felt the move was essential for Arsenal to become one of the biggest clubs in the world. The difference between staying at Highbury and moving to the Emirates was the same as having a car that was paid for and buying a brand new Rolls Royce. Something has to change in order for you to afford the Rolls Royce payments.
Stag, if you honestly believe that Man United and Liverpool aren’t in serious financial trouble, you’ve lost your mind. Unless they get a substantial influx of cash from an external source or selling “Cristiano Ronaldo” every year, there is no way either of them can sustain themselves. Their debt is simply too much. If they’re not bought by some rich Arab guy or their government doesn’t bail them out, they will fail.
Dumbing it down to more realistic money, imagine you and your wife make $250k a year and own your home. Not too big a deal to go out and buy a SeaRay, Cessna, or 7-series BMW. But then you go out and buy a ridiculous $3 million home. Before you bought the house, it was much easier to buy that boat, that plane, or that new bimmer. How prudent does it look with a $3 million mortgate? You’ve got to respect that things are different now. Wenger’s providing Arsenal with prudence.
You can just keep waiting for… and ROOTING for the failure of Liverpool and Manchester United.
That … is a LOSERS mentality, when instead of wanting your team to improve to the point of competing with the best, you are waiting for others to fail, because you don’t like how they’ve acheived success.
United are the most successful team in EPL history. Absolutely dominant in every way you can measure it.
I am sure they will be just fine, both United and Liverpool, aren’t going anywhere.
Man I’ve been out of it lately. I was aware of Song being hurt, and I guess I was vaguely aware of Edurado as well (I think my default outlook as become to assume he’s hurt unless I know otherwise)… but I had no idea about Gallas, Almunia, or Arshavin.
Basically we are going in with FIVE of ELEVEN starters out and one of our top substitutes… and we’re away. I’ll take a score draw.
I am quite concerned about facing Porto without Gallas, Song and Arsh. RvP was already missing, so that makes it 4 first team starters. Porto are not to be underestimated. I was hoping for a draw so that we can win the home game and progress. Now I fear a PSV style result – where we lose away and are under severe pressure in the home game (still don’t understand why playing at home in the second leg is an advantage).
I guess Mooney not playing is a positive. ;)
we should be quite concerned about ANY match… because we are capable of being beaten like a drum against GOOD competition, and being beaten by lesser competition.
No Song, Gallas and Arshavin… and Almunia.
Those are the “trouble” areas we have discussed ad nauseum…
Need a No.1 keeper, reliable defender if Verma or Gallas get injured (Sol might do just fine tomorrow)… a reliable DM if Song isn’t available, and a striker/goal threat.
We are missing ALL those components.
I would imagine Wenger will do … what we are not good at… playing a defensive style, 4-5-1, and try not to lose.
It makes for an interesting match to say the least, but my expectations are so low at this point, that no scoreline will surprise me.
I would imagine that we’d line-up with…
FABIANKSKI
SAGNA VERMAELEN CAMPBELL CLICHY
EBOUE CESC DIABY DENILSON ROSICKY
BENDTNER
and… just saw that ARSH is BEGGING Cesc not to go to Barcelona
in the Summer, though he’d understand why…
So, ummm, he’s either reading the newspapers, or he might know something, or hear some whispers in the dressing room… I mean, he does see the guy all week at practice and matches… !!
smoke = fire… (sometimes)
The stadium debt as an excuse for not spending is BS!
The increase in gate receipts from Highbury to the Emireates is probably more than the payments on the debt, interest included. For Chrissake the corporate ring alone at Emirates brings in more dough each match then did all of Highbury!
Here it is algebraically, if you’re so inclined:
x= total single season gate receipts from Highbury
y= total single season gate receipts from Emirates
z= total per year debt/interest payments on Emirates
y – z > x
We should thus have more money to spend on players than before, not less.
Chicago Gooner, that can’t be correct… because if it were, then it would mean that Arsenal is more interested in making a profit, than actually winning.
;)
Not sure about the first sentence here…
“Let’s get something out of the way: no one is calling for Arsene Wenger to be fired.”
Stag? Fred? Others (perhaps myself included)?
I will give him till the end of this year. If he comes up with nothing he should go. It’s not that getting 3rd/4th in the league every year and making it to the CL quarters/semis every year as well is not enough per se, as some people like to use as a case against the anti-Wenger crowd. It’s the crime of not going for it all when you have the resources as a club and ability as a manager to do so. We are so close, and yet he refuses to change his approach. He would rather continue in his “almost good enough” fashion than go for it all, since that would necessitate changing his beloved, not-quite-good-enough approach.
This whole ‘almost good enough’ as the new ‘great’ reminds me of something LDE suggested two or three seasons back. Namely, that this was exactly the Wenger’s mission. To keep us just ‘almost good enough’. I don’t remember whether this was thought to be by necessity or simple greed. I do remember scoffing at LDE at the time.
Maybe I owe you an apology, LDE. Because it seems as if the best case for Wenger these days is that we are consistently ‘almost good enough’ by design.
“we almost won the league two seasons ago…”
Oh, that is some rallying cry there.
But, playing along, if we ALMOST won it from 3rd, did Chelsea NEARLY ALMOST win it from 2nd? What metal is the ALMOST trophy?
What about last year, 18 points out, 4th? How does that work into the math of getting better/closer every year?
Competing? Absolutely. For THIRD, once again. We’ve not been CLOSE to competitive with 1 and 2 this season. As I’ve said before, any chance we’d have would be down the mediocrity of Chelsea and ManU against anyone but Arsenal. ‘Hoping to win a war of attrition.’ Another terrific rallying cry.
Am I ‘bitching’, because I’m not delusional? Oh, okay. If credibility here is defined by the man who watches us lose 0-2 to Chelsea and says ‘I am very proud of our performance’, well, the bar for ‘bitching’ is simple disagreement with nonsense.
Thanx Vibe, that sums it up quite well.
stag we are real contenders…we almost won the league two seasons ago and we are in title contention this season. Why would anyone say that we can’t compete when we are out there competing?
RVP,
not serious contenders to win anything.
you can believe whatever you wish… but the results do not lie.
how many times do you have to watch United and Chelsea shit on us, to realize we are not at their level.
yes, Villa and Tottenham and City are also in title contention, based on the tables, but you know its a two horse race…
if you want to delude yourself, go for it, but I’m not buying it.
You are exactly what the club want, folks who’ll keep showing up, no matter what, buying merchandise, going to FA Cup matches, and drinking the Kool-Aid endlessly.
we are PRETENDERS.
good enough to tease, and good enough to allow for hope… not close to being good enough to win the CL or League, which is all that matters to Wenger.
Which team had the best record against the big four last season?
Liverpool. Were’d they finish in the table last season?
Which team finished last against the big four?
United. Where’d they finish in the table last season?
Since standings don’t lie – it means fuck all what you do against United and Chelsea. If you take care of the rest of business then you win the title. In the end it means you just didn’t do well against United and Chelsea.
IF (and it is a big IF) we win the EPL which one of you is going to complain we didn’t beat United or Chelsea in four matches?
If we win the league without beating United and Chelsea – who’s the better team?
Again there is still lot of season left and if it has shown anything this season is it is unpredictable –
everyone had Chelsea and United running away after beating Arsenal and their first steps out of the gate they falter. In both cases each of them were lucky to wind up with draws as they were clearly outplayed.
yes, anything is possible… like I said, Villa, City, and Tottenham are also title contenders.
The math says it.
Please tell me what you base your great hope of us winning the league on?
You really believe we will win the league? or are you just saying “its possible”…?
the only thing predictable about the season, is that we could play either United or Chelsea 5 times each, and never sniff a win.
You are hoping on wishes and dreams.
When you want to be realistic about our chances, I’ll be here!
;)
I base my hopes (and yes they are just hopes) on winning the league on our improved form against lesser opposition.
We did well against the big four last season 2 wins 2 1 loss 3 draws but we couldn’t win the games against lesser opposition – with the exception of the loss to Sunderland and some of the draws Arsenal have taken care of business against lesser opposition and not so lesser opposition. The Man City loss being the only one that fits into neither category. (No they are not top four material just to add)
I also don’t give up hope on my team – even when I play the pragmatist – until they are mathmatically assured of not winning the title.
you be pragmatic, I like to deal in reality!
and, ummm, you don’t like it, but… who’s in 4th?
meanwhile, in the real world…
Man United being outplayed, not having most of the possession, and
not passing the ball around beautifully, LEAD 3-1 on the road at Milan.
I just have no idea how they can do it, with all that debt, and the thoughts about “the empire” falling… how do they go on and continue to win?
hell, if they go into adminstration… they’ll be docked 10 points, and we can catch them for 2nd!
;)
stag seriously according to you pompey fans are happy to be in the predicament they are in coz they won the FA cup and thats enough doesnt matter that there about to close up shop forever no no no winning a title is all that matters…
first of all, Portsmouth will not “close up shop forever”…
If the EPL allows that to occur, then the season is a farce, as the matches played by Portsmouth will have to be null & void…
its not going to happen.
will the league and teams pay the fans their money back for those VOIDED matches?
there are so many implications of allowing Portsmouth to fold, that it simply can’t happen.
Do you follow Portsmouth and what has occured in the last few seasons?
Did you hear the recent interview with Harry Redknapp about the club?
They have NOT gone out and spent wildly. They have NOT gone out and paid players insane money for salaries.
I believe Redknapp said it doesn’t make sense as to what has happened to the money… because there wasn’t excessive spending or buying at the club.
So, its down to poor management of the club from above, not at the player/manager levels.
Go on and tell me what Pompey have done as far as a spending spree that is so outlandish?
If Redknapp, whom the club OWES MONEY, says that the salaries are not that out of whack… then it can’t be that much of a factor.
I know you’d love it if ONLY the top handful of teams won things, and nobody ever even tried to become a good team… that the Pompey and West Broms and Boltons of the world just accept that they will be also rans, but that is NOT what the sport is about.
If you KNOW any Portsmouth supporters, they’d tell you that WINNING THE FA CUP was one of the clubs GREAT acheivements.
I know, you believe that its the reason they’ve fallen into financial ruin? because they dared try to win something… well, you’d be wrong.
Pompey did spend beyond its means.
The financial problems for the club aren’t new and were prevalent back when ‘Arry was mangaging the club.
In 2008 alon they lost about £25m as staggered payments of player purchases became due in. Overpaying players when the finances weren’t there like past top paid player Peter Crouch (pulling in over £50,000 a week) and current and past players not far behind. The club currently brings in around £65m through ticket sales, TV money and merchandising, but £60m of that is swallowed up in staff costs. A further £20m+ is due in deferred transfer fees by the end of the season.
That is why Pompey is in trouble. And the numbers they are form 2008 – by all indications and the fact they cannot pay players – it is much worse a year and half later.
In the end – regardless of how long financial irresponsibility catches up to you. Some it takes longer than others – if it can happen to Leeds it can happen to United and Liverpool
Why would Redknapp say that they didn’t spend crazy money?
You can’t sit still and not compete if you are Portsmouth either. OR… you will be RELEGATED.
Where did you get your statistics on the finances?
What the hell are “Staff costs”?
Leeds was never close to Manchester United or Liverpool in any way…
Again, if you think Liverpool and United are going to go bankrupt, or go into administration… you are insane.
It is NOT going to happen.
If that’s what you are waiting for… you will be waiting for a long time… forever.
Pompey did not have any type of Leeds buying of players, and massive salaries… they had/have inept people running the club, and probably stealing money from it as well…
there is no comparison between Pompey, a team who’s trying to be a EPL regular, to Manchester United, the biggest club in the world, and Liverpool… one of the biggest in the world…
so you believe ManU and Liverpool will do what?
sell off all their star players, and be reduced to a mid-table team?
or you think they’ll go bankrupt and/or go into administration?
what exactly are you waiting for… as in what do you actually think is going to happen, this armageddon?
Why does Redknapp say any of the stuff he says (my hunch is because he doesn’t want to be associated with its downfall – thats just my hunch).
I am not waiting for United or Pool to fall apart. I could care less what happens at those clubs. But if they continue to have greater debt than profit they will eventually run aground. It won’t be this year – it may not be next year butif they operate like they are without being sold – they will have issues. Its just a given fact of any poorly run business and by all accounts both are poorly run businesses.
Liverpool have basically been told by the banks to come up with 100 million pounds this summer or risk having the banks calling in their debt. Whether you like it or not Liverpool could be close to a full financial meltdown this summer if the banks get involved in calling in their debt.
If it weren’t so bad financially at those clubs why would the fans be so up in arms?
As for the “staff fees.” Do you think that only the players get paid? What about the managers? The pitch staff, the medical team? Or the office workers, the board. See as fans we only ever talk about the players being paid and ignore all the other operating costs of running a team. I don’t know what the percentage is but the players salaries alone don’t account for 50% of the operating budget of a club. And when you are bigger club its even more than what say a Pompey pay.
People seem to think that you make money off of tickets, concessions and merchandise and all of a sudden you have a windfall of cash – before any of it is spent it goes to pay off all operating costs than the profits will be banked.
you don’t really think the pitch staff and medical team make much money, do you?
I know someone who worked for Arsenal as a media liason, he said it was basically an HONOR to work for the club, but the pay was peanuts…
regular joes get little pay at football clubs…
The piece is well written, and well constructed… well thought out
and contains good arguements…
However, I don’t really think Arsene Wenger needs a “CASE FOR”.
You are not going to find too many supporters who don’t feel he has
been the greatest manager the club has ever had. He has brought us to heights that some might not have thought possible 20 years ago.
The question is… is he the person going forward to take us back to the level he approached? Is he capable? Can he get past his own stubborness and arrogance?
If the stadium / debt is the EXCUSE for Arsenal and Arsene for regularly
not addressing the needs of the team on the pitch, their ability to bring in proven players to make the team a real contender, or KEEP star players in the squad…
then the club and Arsenal should have told the SUPPORTERS years ago, that we can NOT financially contend with the Uniteds and Chelseas of the world, so we will NOT try to… not the usual way. We will try to do more with less money… young teams, a different style, etc.
But if you do that, there is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to absolutely SOAK the supporters with the highest ticket prices in Europe, year after year, and expect us all to be OK with the non-sense that goes on in the FA Cup. Don’t expect the fans to PAY for your massive stadium, when you aren’t trying to compete with the best in the world.
It’s an insult.
And while Wenger was a great manager, I don’t think he is the man to
take the team forward any longer. He can’t get out of his own way, as he doesn’t listen to anyone, and he doesn’t adjust to situations.
Thank you for all you’ve done Arsene… good luck in the future.
No Gallas for tomorrow; out with a back injury and didn’t even travel. Big deal? We’ll have to see. I just know he was our best player against Liverpool and it sucks to not have him available.
No Gallas. No Eduardo, Song, Arshavin or Almunia either.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=742102&sec=england&root=england&cc=4716
Good read. I think it underlies what everyone already knows about the club – Arsene’s stature and his past successes are the key his longevity at Arsenal.
Funny thing it said if Arsene were to leave than Boro and two other coaches would be th eonly ones to go wth him. One of them who’d go? The Goalie coach – that wouldn’t be such a bad loss.
Personally, I think that it will not be long until Arsenal start winning trophies, we are clearly getting better all the time; a significant amount each season, and that once we finally make that step we will be on the way to major success!
Yeah… right.
We were so much better last year than two years ago. Right on!
Well written, Alex. The truth is we’ve heard this all before. There are still many that don’t appreciate the significance of the move into the Emirates stadium. It’s no coincidence that when we moved, the spending habits changed. Wenger’s shrewdness is keeping us from falling into serious financial trouble. I don’t think Wenger is less ambitious or losing his mind. It’s just that he’s playing with real money and real ramifications if he doesn’t proceed with caution.
Consider this, Man United have a debt equaling more than 1 billion quid. Stop for a second and think about how much money that is. If they pay five percent interest on that debt, that’s over 50 million quid just for the interest! That’s absurd money. It’s been documented that they can barely afford to pay the interest, let alone the actual debt. Their black hole is so dark and deep that they made 80 million on a single world record transfer and still couldn’t afford to buy players. Can they afford to say no to a big money bid for Rooney?
Unless they get a sugar daddy like Chelsea or Man City, there’s no way out of their predicament and it’s just a matter of time before the banks say, (quoting a line from Goodfellas) “f*ck you, pay me! That empire is destined to fall. Liverpool have a smaller debt but make less money and they, too are scrounging for scraps as they’re about to lose out on Champions League Football to Manchester City. Even though I’m sometimes opposed to Wenger’s decisions, I’m happy with his approach.
Our financial position is tied to a combination of new stadium debt, the declining real estate market, and the inflated player transfer market.
Whatever is revealed to the media regarding our financial condition, it is glossed over to give Arsenal a healthy face, as is the practice of every large company.
Wealthy owners are not fools but shrewd and sometimes unscrupulous. Look how the Glazers have acquired ManU, piloted them to huge debt, while family members are drawing large salaries for low-profile positions.
Our manager has always had a keen eye for talent and I don’t see where he’s lost this gift.
so there is no hope for United, and Liverpool are in the same boat.
When do you expect that they will fold?
“its just a matter of time… the empire is destined to fall”
So, you are banking on (no pun intended), United and Liverpool to implode financially… and that will lead to Arsenal’s success?!?
good plan.
I’ve heard that arguement for about 3 or 4 years running.
Also that when Abromovich gets tired of Chelsea as his toy, they will fold up shop as well.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for it.
After reading this I’m sure I will be considered the koolest of all kool-aid drinkers lol ;)
Arsenal’s wage bill is too high we pay our youngsters way too much money!
Arsenal should not be tying down these youngsters to long term contracts it makes no sense!
I hear these comments quie often and would like to make a case for why I disagree
I remember awhile back when it was announced in the media that arsenal have the second highest wage bill in the PL.
When AW was asked about it he replied “Do you really believe that? Believe me, that is not true. Because many clubs hide their wages. But at our club, every single wage is structured in a very simple way. For example, if a player [at another club] has a 25% image [rights] contract, which is allowed in England, it is not in the wages. If you multiply that by 10, that divides the wage bill by 25%.”
Does anyone know where to get the actually salary figures for players? I keep seeing comments about how such and such is on 70k etc etc but is that from an official source or just what the media say? Does this include like AW says image right deals etc etc etc?
Maybe we aren’t overpaying the youngsters after all.
This also got me thinking about why we would be tying down our youngsters to long term contracts and it hit me. As I’m sure some of you know in England players will be taxed at 50% (a substantial increase in taxes) starting this April and I’m starting to wonder if this is not somehow connected with AW trying to tie down the players this year since it seems everyone has now signed a long term contract. Basically once that rule comes into play, all English teams will come under threat because clubs in other leagues will be able to offer very competitive post-tax wages so it will cause wages to be increased when re-signing players or they will leave.
Going from 45% to 50% is significant, but not earth shattering. Based on current tax laws in both Italy and Spain, especially Spain, English clubs still have to pay 25-45 % more on contracts in order to be competitive.
Whereas this article has been well written, carefully crafted and offers many a reasonable assessment, it is omitting quite a few factors which are different to Arsene MK-1 & 2 in comparison to MK-3.
I could make a treatise on this, but will make an offer to DAG for me to make the case against Wenger, even though I am basically a Wenger fan.
Carib – I would gladly take that writing from you.
I think the case against Arsene from a pro Arsene fan would be an interesting perspective.
Okay Dag,
I’m at Madri Gras in Molbe, AL, but should be able to send you the article by tomorrow night.
I’ll be looking for it.
Alex, thank you for your time and well constructed thoughts. Some of us share your perspective of the team and appreciate the clarity of your commentary.
There are other Arsenal supporters who have lost patience with our manager and many of its players. They won’t buy any of this.
Of course this is my opinion, but even if we were to win a trophy this season, this group can never come to terms with our manager or many on this roster.
If you follow the commentary on this sight, when we lose, this group “GLOATS” over individual player mistakes, our tactics, and berates the manager. When we win, they sheepishly find ways to continue with the fault finding.
Regardless of any sound reasoning, this group won’t be satisfied until:
a) a new manager comes in
b) sells off the injury prone; that’s everyone but Szczesny.
c) how soon can we find a sugar daddy ?
DAG – great idea to have Alex write this article, I hope you can employ his services down the road.