A win is a win

Sometimes its not the matter of how you won, just that you won. For Arsenal that much holds true to yesterday’s win over EPL debutantes Swansea. My initial reaction to the match was one of frustration. But I’ve watched the match twice now and my reaction is one of – well, Rome wasn’t built in a day wasn’t it?
I thought the score line flattered the visitors. If not for Ramsey’s lack of a scoring touch, Theo’s being Theo and Robin Van Persie finding the woodwork, the match would’ve been a rout. But as is typical Arsenal fashion we squandered our chances. Sure enough, Swansea has had their chances and they were very unlucky not to have drawn even in stoppage time. But as it is, sometimes that is how it goes. Much like missed chances. As I mentioned in the pre-match, Swansea are a good defencive team. Prior to this match they held two clean sheets and if not for defencive lapses that opened the flood gates for City, they could’ve held for a draw there. They’ve played their opponents tough and are rather unlucky to only have 2 points.
Overall I thought our new guys did well. I thought Arteta did his role well. He had quite a few passes that set players on their way. It’s hard to tell with one game but one thing I noticed, his passes weren’t attempts to provide the perfect or prettiest pass, he merely wanted to get the ball to the player. As skilled as Fabregas was he too often went for the most perfect pass as did a lot of his teammates much to the detriment of the team. Hopefully, Arteta sticks to that and doesn’t go all hollywood on us. Moyes said Arteta likes his touches and he 103 of them with a pass success rate of 92% (71 successful vs 9 unsuccessful). Still, he is going to need to develop more with the squad and three days together isn’t much time to build chemsitry.
One thing I’d also like to focus on is this concept that Arteta is a “poor man’s Fabregas.” I think statements like this and comparisons to Fabregas are unfair to Arteta’s ability and what he can bring to the team. Cesc Fabregas is a talent that comes along rarely and a lot of players wish they were. Arteta is of the same style from La Maisa but is not the same player. If all we are going to do is compare Arteta to Fabregas than Arteta will never get a fair shake and we should judge him on his own achievements not compared to someone who is a rated special player. Arteta should be given the time to develop into his role and make it his own.
For Per Mertesacker it was a quiet day. Except for the early chance Swansea had, he wasn’t really tested but he showed a solid work effort. The real work horse in the defence was Koscielny who like I said in the pre-match is growing in every match. He also showed some speed and willingness to go forward when it was warranted. There was one bad tackled where he did the fine European finger wag but overall his performance was another solid one. I really do believe if Vermaelen comes back healthy and strong (yes, I know this is a big ask) that Vermaelen and Koscileny are going to be a very solid tandem. Yeah, its just my opinion but hey its my blog and I will think what I want to so there.
The big question marks for me are still Ramsey and Walcott. Ramsey has not in 4 matches shown himself to be capable to an effective player for the team. His passes are sideways and backwards . Very few of his passes were in the middle of the box or in a vain that would set a player free. Ramsey in my opinion is going to be a star but unlike Jack Wilshere isn’t going to be one who blossoms early. He likely would benefit from a stint on the bench coming on as sub. In my perfect world we would rotate Arshavin to the midfield alongside Arteta (until Jack comes back). Ramsey gasses easily as was evident on the opportunity for a 4 on 1 where lobbed a pass right to the only defender there. It certainly looked like his legs had left him at that point but still all he had to do was loft the ball to the far side. It was frustrating to say the least.
Walcott still is well Walcott. Lots of speed but very little end product. Thats all there really is to say about Theo. Szczesny is slowly showing me that he is going to wind up being the best Arsenal goal keeper in a long long while. He is so confident it can be a little worrisome at times. Frimpong is still maturing but he is strong in the middle and will be good a pushing Alex Song who has gotten complacent in the middle of the pitch. Frimpong isn’t ready to be an every day starter but he is slowly making the case to get more reps. He is good going forward with the ball when he does. But he is sound defenceively except for his youthful exuberance. Arshavin has a huge part to play with this squad both with his feet and as a leader. His goal while a gift was from such an awakward angle I wouldn’t have been surprised if he had missed it. It can bring that kind of skill. There are still moments of frustration with Andrei. But like I said there is a role to play.
One of things I wanted to touch on though was something I was picking up away from play and at “stoppages.” We’ve all lamented leadership on the pitch and players being held accountable after cock-ups. I saw a lot of little acts of leadership on the pitch by both Robin Van Persie and Arshavin. Things I hadn’t seen enough of in previous matches. Van Persie made sure to give Theo an earful in the second half when he got petulant around his yellow card. Going off the pitch Arshavin was making a point to Frimpong about movement off the ball and the teams formation. If these things have happened before in recent memory I’ve not seen them. While there is still a long way to go in that front but at least this is a promising sign.
We shouldn’t kid ourselves though, there is still a long way to go. I am still convinced that this team is not going to compete for the league title. I may be an optimist but I am more of a realist. This team will compete for a top 4 spot but both Manchester Clubs right now are a class above everyone else. Sure they will have issues. All teams do. But I am still of the opinion we’re still short of the type of players I think we need to be title contenders. All in all though, it was nice to get back to winning. Let’s see if the club can build upon this and progress week upon week.
Player Ratings:
Szczesny: 8
Sagna: 7
Mertesacker: 6
Koscielny: 9 MOTM
Gibbs: 6
Frimpong: 6
Ramsey: 5
Arteta: 7
Arshavin: 8
Van Persie: 7
Walcott: 5
Subs:
Chamakh: NA (though he had a really good header off of a Gibbs cross)
Benayoun: NA
Coquelin: NA
Until the mid week. Stay Goonerish!!!
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I agree with Carib’s assessment of the use of Arshavin. Arsene has to decide whether he is really going to fit the formation around the players he has or buy the right pegs to fit the right holes.
I also would like to see the return of the 442 from an attacking viewpoint. However the 433 was brought in to deal with our DF frailities with the extra man in CM. I think RVP would benefit from a fox in the box alongside him in a 442. He is not getting the support alongside him often enough in the current system, maybe the DF work of our WF/WMs are preventing them from supporting him consistently, either way we generally seem like we are playing a 451 rather than a 433.
Good write up, with little to be debated with, but there was no signs of a rout there at all. I particularly appreciated the section showing Artetas contribution to the side, he looked good played some good football, just what we need right now. I look forward to see him linking up with Gervinho… should be interesting.
I cannot see why the player haters want to dismiss Artetas contribution and also devalue our dear Frimpong. Arteta is a about as good a ready replacement for Fabregas you are going to get, as I said Fabregas is irreplacable. Our baby has gone… live with it, move on.
As for Frimpong, I doubted his credentials from what I saw of him in the youth/reserves too, but the coaches were raving about him then. However when I watched him live at the Emirates Cup before his injury, I was amazed at his ability. The way he was able to manipulate the ball, he has great technique for a “stopper” and his strength was outstanding for a youth of his age. Just watching him once live made me aware of the talent and potential he has. However he is no Flamini, I also noted how Flaminis energy and awareness make it obvious how far the likes of Frimpong have to go. Flamini won any duels between the two I can remember and bossed the MF.
Frimpong is far from stupid as some make out. Jack Wilshere who played with Frimpong week in week out descibed him as I think the words were “intelligent (or very intelligent) footballer” in an interview for the Arsenal mag. But although he has a lot of experience to gain and a lot to learn, much of his error particularly the fouls in key areas can be put down to youthful exuberance and trying too hard. He is a league above the likes of Randall and Eastmond IMO.
@arthur3sheds, Agree with your assessment of Frimpong, however, comparing him to Flamini is unfair. It took Flamini 3 years to reach that level and he only did it for one season. Frimpong has only played 4-5 games at the first team level. He has way more upside.
It merely puts into perspective how far we have fallen when we expect youngsters to come in and immediately have a major impact. Hate to say it, but please note how Manu have slowly eased their youngsters into the fold, ie. Welbeck, Cleverly, Evans, Smalling, Anderson and the Twins.
and Arsene predicts… “a financial crisis” in football…
does this guy realize he repeats the same shit over and over and over and over again??
seriously. it is a sign of senility.
yes. United, Chelsea, Liverpool and City… they are all going to collapse under their finanical strain of winning trophies… Barcelona and Real Madrid too.
Just SHUT UP! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He’s not wrong. In the EU Football Sustainability Study they wrote this:
As normal businesses the football leagues in England, Spain, and Italy are two years from Bankruptcy. This is primarily because of the huge profitability gap in football leagues compared to normal businesses. The English Premier League shows a negative return on assets of -5%, the Spanish Primera division -7% and Italian Serie A -12%.
Over 3 years the EPL has a negative trade balance of €1 billion on players (their primary asset) the Spanish Primera division nearly €600 million. Unlike the French and German leagues they lack a sophisticated system of financial checks where guarantees must be in place prior to the transfer.
The economic fundamentals clearly indiciate that the failure of one these leagues or a number of teams within these leagues cannot be discared in the near term. The failure of one league could trigger a systematic failure similar to that seen in the banking industry, This means that even the leagues that remain “virtuous” will be impacted. It is also very similar to the recent Eurozone experience after the near-default of Greece.
In addition, the English Premier League provides a great illustration of the failure of the current business model to provide a decent return. Tottenham Hotspurs, the first club to be listed in 1981, never paid any dividend. The owners of Manchester UInited, the Glazer amily, are able to extract cash from the club but it could be at the expense of its future competitiveness, which infuriates the fans.. Meanwhile most of the listed clubs have exited the stock exchange.
The risk of systematic collapse is real.
In today’s football industry, virtue is not rewarded. It becomes clear that structural change to the European Football business model would be needed urgently. UEFA is planning to implement FFP. This is a great step forward, but is it bold enough? And is it quick enough?
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Stag while you want him to shut up, more and more people are talking about this and things like the report I’ve quoted above are being looked at by both the EU and individual European governments. The financial realities of the market place are starting to catch up to football. Should we have another Pompey in terms of 3 or 4 of the clubs that are stretched thin you could see a trigger event that has wider reprocussions than just the league they are in. Given how payments on players are not usually a lump sum payment – should any club default on payments or go into administration it is going to start getting dicey.
You may want to look at only the win/loss column and as a fan you are right to do so. But what do you tell a Pompey fan who’s club is sinking faster than the Titantic. The next club on that docket is Fulham.
@DaAdminGooner, No. Absolutely do NOT believe it… we’ve been hearing about this for a DECADE… the league and teams are NOT going to collapse. Its NOT going to happen. If that is what we are waiting for… we’ll be waiting forever.
@stag133,
Stag the financial and economic environment over the last 10 years hasn’t been as it has now. Every league admits that player fees and wages have reached ridiculous proportions. Most teams can longer sustain that model. It is only the few elite clubs in Europe that can sustain but at what cost?
Most English clubs operate at a loss. Lesser clubs are feeling the pinch. Everton are a prime example. They couldn’t do a damn thing in the transfer window because of money. Aston Villa is very close to financial ruin. Liverpool were a day away from becoming the property of the Bank of Scotland because of their finances. Manchester United have to put themselves up on the Asian stock markets to generate more money. (ask a United fan how they feel about that)
We may have been saying this for 10 years but the economic environment has never been like this. Clubs are overleveraging themselves and it will have a snap back effect.
You may want to sit here and say its not going to happen. You don’t have to take my word for it – which is why I quoted the EU Football Sustainability report. Those aren’t my words. That’s a non-biased financial review of all the leagues in Europe. Only the Bundesliga is on good financial ground but if one league goes – others will follow.
@DaAdminGooner, DAG. When it happens, I’ll believe it… I do NOT believe the league is on the brink of financial ruin, and the big clubs certainly ARE NOT… not a chance of ManU or Liverpool , etc… going down the drain.
sorry.
@stag133, This is what he said: “I believe that Europe overall, as a unit, is going towards a massive crisis, which nobody really expects now. I am convinced that Europe will go into a huge financial crisis within the next three weeks or three months and maybe that will put everything into perspective again.”
What he is saying is that Europe – not football – is going to suffer a financial crisis that will affect football as well as every other aspect of the economy. Whether it is as doom and gloom as he is predicting is up for debate, but we are already seeing the crisis in places like Greece.
@stag133, I think DAG hits the nail on the head don’t you?
@HighburyTerraceSteve,
Ramsey not in the squad due to training injury.
Arshavin has been totally mishandled by Wenger. His entire career, both for club and country, he has played in a free role as a 2nd or 3rd striker with very little defensive duties. Wenger has converted him to a winger with defensive duties. Very difficult trying a teach an old dog new tricks.
Said this time and time again, take away Theo’s speed and he couldn’t play for a League 1 team. like the kid as a person, trains hard, works hard on the pitch, dedicated, tries to improve and is improving, but lacks natural footballing instincts.
Moving to a 4-4-2 or variant thereof with this squad seems a better fit for me with any combination of RVP, Park, Arshavin, Gervinho and Theo up front, with the width being supplied by the FB’s.
We will be in a dog fight to get 4th place.Next few weeks will tell how quickly we gel.
@Caribkid, Nothing to argue with there…..Ramsey resting seems good by me…..seemed like maybe he tweaked his ankle taking that shot in the first min., but hobbled on as kids sometimes do…..
Theo really does look bad at times given that he’s got so few moves and uses them over and over again, and looking for fouls is just something that isn’t part of the English game (unless you’re a mainstay of the Nat’l team…..) One thing I have liked is that he and Gervinho (and sometimes Arshavin) seem to have the freedom to switch sides…. Making some near post runs (esp. when the ball is on the opposite side of the pitch would be a good use of Theo’s speed that he rarely seems to think about as the play is developing. Gervinho, in the little I’ve seen of him, is only a hair slower but has better instincts off (and on) the ball…..
Agree also that Arsenal/AW has totally sacrificed Arshavin’s need to be more central and not play any D, to Cappy VP’s need to run everywhere. To make the latter work you need players who can fill the holes he leaves….AA is too lazy (as was Nasri while he was running down his contract….) and Theo too unaware….. My hope would be that Gerv and Yossi (and Park who I only vaguely recall from the WC….) can complement the Cappy, assuming he stays fit…..
Also agree that these next few weeks/months are key and we need to get a bit lucky with results and injuries and all the other stuff….AND then we need to plug the holes EARLY in the January window. At least we’ve got a good (competitive) group in the CL and a good (so far) draw in the CC. All our big matches against top 6 teams in the league are away (less pressure) before the New Year as well….The opportunity is there, but no matter how we do, we are in a rebuilding mode and NOBODY should lose sight of that….
Not much in the way of commentary from the Swansea match….josh is just catching up with the late August drama, but sounding a little doomer-ish (but not enough to satisfy Fred, it appears) and stag….well, at least he’s actually watching before weighing in….(a couple of others, to be fair, spoke their piece on the previous thread, and maybe will be even more voluble when the “other shoe drops,” as they say….)
By dumb luck I watched the final half hour of our match again yesterday, and I have to say we were very lucky that their (record signing, lone striker) guy Graham bungled when Sneezy whiffed coming for the late corner. That same guy also gave our boy Per a nice intro to the English game when he climbed the Merte-ladder only to head over. (No call from the ref)…. We also got spared on a couple of dangerous FKs given up by Mr. T and Koscielny….Gibbs, though he got danced by on several occasions at least seems a hair less panicky than Clichy and the others seem to know he needs cover…..Bottom line, It’s gonna take awhile for our defense to figure things out and we should expect pens and FKs to be given against us, not to mention the usual troubles from corners, etc…..Better teams will also score from open play…..
The next couple of (away) matches should be interesting in terms of how AW “rotates” (drops/promotes) players. A result in Dortmund would be nice, at Blackburn it’s essential, and hopefully we’re solid enough to avoid a beatdown at both, though the memories of OT will always linger…The new players (w/o the scar tissue) should help….
I’m thinking that Ramsey and Arshavin will be “rested” tomorrow and that this presents opportunities for Gervinho, Song and Benayoun to assert their claim to starting positions. I think we may also see Park and Dos Santos in action as well….while the younger fellows have the CC match in 8 days coming….It would be uber-sweet to continue getting results (and stave off
Continuing Crisis, with capital Cs) while ironing out the new squad/pecking order….
And as we do so maybe we’ll start to see a change in approach. In my opinion, with the new squad, we need to be far more effective down the wings. If we can distribute quickly to these areas, carry the ball forward and either cut back in or get some occasional dangerous (low) crosses–“Theo Specials” (with people actually motivated enough to run onto them), we could maybe get a few goals from open play. Arteta, Ramsey and Song can do enough with the ball to get it out to the wings and maybe poach a rebound, but , overall, they don’t cover the necessary ground. Gervinho and Theo and (maybe) Benayoun look willing to run, as I’m hoping Park will as well….Even Makh (hooves and all) looked up for it in his cameo the other day….
Which all brings me to the odd man out, our record signing, the little captain of the biggest country, etc., etc., AA23….It was good skill the other day to pop that goal in, proving that he can be a johnny on the spot….Still I fear that he doesn’t move nearly enough to work well with our roving captain (RVP) when he goes central nor help out wayward Gibbs (or cover for Santos) heading back, if he keeps to the touchline. The manager needs to sort it out and I fear for Andrey and the team if he takes a lazy or fair (laissez-faire?) approach to the matter…..And right now that’s what I see….at lot of hopefulness and not a lot of intent…..
Oh well…. They say, “Hope is not a plan,” but if that’s all you’ve got, that’s all you’ve got…..
@HighburyTerraceSteve,
:-D … and a great ending too :-)
arsenal are in a bit of trouble. neither the tactical nor the strategic approach makes much sense. arsenal simply don’t have the personnel to do what it seems wenger is hoping to do. there needs to be a change in tactics maximizing the talent of the players he does have. he’s got to respect when players are unavailable and change things up to give the team the best chance at success.
ramsey is young and has played a lot of games for both club and country already this season. the boy needs a breather. he did more running than anyone in a red shirt on saturday. while he may be a young athlete, he’s a man, not a machine. regardless of his effort, he’s not quite the finished product to be starting for arsenal.
gibbs is far from the right answer. it’s scary that he seems to have absolutely no idea of what’s going on around him and has to run so hard in reaction to what’s happened. technically, he’s fine but there’s no excuse for a player his age to play the game like most 14 year old american kids. as for now, he shouldn’t be starting for arsenal.
theo is not as good as he thinks he is. this is a monster that arsene has created. the kid needs to know his place in the side is not a given. considering his form, he shouldn’t be starting for arsenal.
frimpong has just had a year off due to injury. it was a good game for him to start; at home against newly promoted boys. however, he needs more time before he starts any tougher games for arsenal.
arteta should be fine as long as wenger lets him stay in midfield and doesn’t try and push him forward like he did with fabregas. if people are calling him a poor man’s fabregas, it’s funny because it’s the first thing i thought when i heard arsenal signed him. i agree, it’s unfair to compare he and cesc, but arteta’s a spanish midfielder. there’s no way around it. like i said, he should be fine.
@joshuad,
“and doesn’t try and push him forward like he did with fabregas.”
Fabregas NEVER played forward in his entire time at Arsenal. Not even once.
@Fred, I think he means pushing forward as in attacking, not playing forward. Cesc is much more aggressive offensively than Arteta is.
@David Eshenbaugh,
well, his statement implies “wenger tries and pushes him forward” …. when in fact Josh is confusing the normal role of an AM in a 4-3-3 with that of a forward.
@Fred, It made sense to me. I rad it as pushing him forward in the attack, not playing as a forward.
@David Eshenbaugh,
I understand what you mean, but as I explained to Josh, if Fabregas was being “pushed forward” then he will not have been able to make those countless thru passes from deep to Walcott, RvP and the other clowns.
Dag. You can watch the match 10 times, it was NEVER going to be a “rout”… never.
We created NOTHING. The goal we scored was a GIFT like none other this weekend in football…
and the game was pretty much even… if the scoreline flattered anyone, it flattered Arsenal.
Home against Swansea?
In previous years, we’d have eaten their children…
I am under no illusions with this team.
NONE.
We don’t have more talent than any number of teams. Its not like it was a few years back even…
We have NO STARS… we’re going to have to grit and grind out results, and our team isn’t built to do that, and are not used to playing that style. It does NOT bode well.
I like Arteta. I think he’s a good player. Glad we got him.
If you think Koscielny and a healthy Vermaelen are going to be a great pairing, what the hell are we doing with Merte?
I don’t know… just don’t seem to impressed with a shitty 1-0 win at home… it certainly isn’t going to change my opinions of the team or club…
I liked the effort. It was there. We weren’t fecking around picking daisies… not even Arshavin…
but we’ll have to be a hell of a lot better than that to beat some good teams… and get anywhere close to 4th.