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Arsenal Week In Review – 8.6.2011

By Michael Price
August 6, 2011
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We’re back. We’ve been quiet this week as we get ready for the run up to the new season. We’re taking a look at the other teams in preparation for our season preview of title contenders. (Hey, its a new season and hope always springs eternal). Anyway, it hasn’t been exactly a quiet week in Arsenal land. It was a week dominated by what else, the ongoing Cesc saga, and that’s where we start.

Cesc Fabregas

When is a player on strike who hasn’t come out and said he’s on strike? When his name is Francesc Fabregas Soler that’s when. Since the end of the season – including the Fulham game, Cesc has spent maybe 1-3 days of time with the entire first team in team related activities. He showed up for the membership day and the practice session on Friday and possibly one other session but other than that – we have seen him avoid all the pre-season friendlies including the last one to the Benfica and he reportedly walked out at half time of the first match at the Emirates cup.

It’s time we Gooners accepted the fact that he doesn’t want to be here. If you haven’t done that than you are avoiding the inevitable. Cesc is showing himself to be less than honorable in dealing with the fans and the club but many still being praise him for his “loving the club.” Frankly, I am not so sure any more. If he loved the club wouldn’t he come out and declare his true intentions so as not to put the club through the crap it is going through? If he loved the club wouldn’t he come out and say he is publicly embarrassed by the piddling offers Barca seems to be putting forward for someone of this stature?

Barcelona did reportedly come back with a revised offer this week. Depending on who you read it was  in the realm of about €30 million + € 5 million of add-ons and then the real kicker €3 million from Cesc for forgoing a signing bonus. Everything you need to know about this saga is tied up in that bid. First you have the low ball figure and the request for add-ons and a payment schedule that shows that Barcelona do not have the money for the player and 2 the player has no loyalty at all to Arsenal if he is willing to set conditions to ease the transfer.

Now, that the Champion’s League qualifying draw is out it will even be more interesting to see how this is handled. Personally, I am feeling a little vindictive and would purposely name him to the squad just to piss Barca off. It would likely piss of Fabregas who has already reportedly asked the club to leave him off the CL roster. He has said he would give his all for the EPL matches but would like to be left off the CL squad pending the outcome of the transfer saga.

This has to end and I am almost willing to accept a cut rate for Cesc as it get rid of the circus currently engulfing our club. And don’t kid yourself, we have become a circus. If we can’t appropriately handle our transfer business – both ins and outs – how can we handle our business on the pitch?

Of course, I think Barcelona’s strategy is to completely unsettle the player. Keep offering low offers, make a player unstable and unfocused and force the club to finally accept a lower offer just to end it. The problem is that won’t happen until the end of the window which doesn’t give the club time to find a replacement, especially given the plodding ways we carry on our transfer business.

Samir Nasri

Nasri, we can confirm, has not travelled with the team to Benfica. According to Wenger, he hasn’t travelled because he has a muscle problem. Yeah he has a muscle problem alright, his head and his heart. The player has obviously had his head turned by a big money offer from Manchester City. I am sure they are offering wages of around £150,000 a week.

In this day and age of the greedy player it only makes sense Nasri would want to go. It has nothing to do with winning as Nasri has stated. It has everything to with a player getting what he feels he is worth – especially given two sub-par seasons and a very good half season.

Nasri is no doubt a talented player but he still needs time to develop. While Mancini looks to be a good manager at City, I don’t nor have I ever got the impression he is a development kind of guy. If Nasri had any common sense about himself, he would understand that he can earn a good pay day if he still develops under the tutelage of Wenger.

Whatever the case its clear from his play so far in the pre-season and internationals its easy to see he is distracted and lacks form. Something his national manager, Laurent Blanc commented on.

“When you change clubs or you want to change a club, it can be destabilizing,” Blanc told L’Equipe.

“As I say to Samir, when you have the choice, from what I’ve read about and from what I know, between Arsenal, Manchester City, Manchester United or Inter Milan, there are worse situations to be in.

“It can be destabilizing because you want to know what club you’ll be in, so you can look ahead to the future.

“I hope that Samir, whether he stays with Arsenal or not, will play well for France, which was not the case in the last three matches.”

It’s very hard to say whats going to happen with Nasri. City look set to come with an offer of around £25 million for the Frenchman.  That’s very hard money to turn down for a player who only has a year left on his contract. But can Arsenal afford to sell both Cesc and Nasri in one season? There is a simple answer to that but it involves some will on part of the manager.

The other rumour that is floating around out there is that Nasri will sign his improved contract later in the season but before January. For those that don’t know, January is when Nasri would be free to negotiate with non-EPL clubs for a new contract. Nasri couldn’t negotiate with City until the end of next season if that is where he wants to go. Not sure where this rumour comes from but it is out there circulating.

So again as with Cesc we aren’t any closer to a resolving this issue.

Transfer Business

We’re all wondering whats going on with transfers. I think we’re all a bit concerned as it looks like we are leaving the business to the last possible moment. Wenger however, has actually come out and moved to dispel any notion that haven’t been doing anything.

“Ideally I would have finished all [our business] but it doesn’t work like that,” he said. “We work very hard, we are non-stop working throughout the summer. I am positive because we have good quality and a style of play that is known by the players. So we want to add not quality but super quality.”

“You have to identify the players, agree with clubs to get them out, agree the fee,” he said. “That means they have to agree with you and they have to find another player before they release their players. In England, it is a lot more difficult to move during the summer because some people are not there. It’s all kinds of things you meet during the transfer market. But I can understand the impatience of people.”

He even discussed when they might be ready to announce some new signings:

“No, not at the moment,” Wenger replied. “We hope to give you some good news soon. Next week, something might happen.”

What does it all mean? Who knows. At the very least it shows that the club is aware of the murmurings of the fans and the growing discontent that transfers haven’t been done. For the most hopeful it will show that – we are doing business. For the naysayers – it will only move them to say its more Wenger double speak and means nothing.

Personally, I still think business is going to get done both on the in and out of it. Wenger, Hill-Wood and Gazidis must know the impending wrath that would ensue if they did not deliver any more signings when they’ve been so adamant that things are being worked on. To say that then to do nothing would be tantamount to career suicide.

Wenger has a lot of people who hang on his words. Pundits still laud his class and style. Fans still adore him for his past feats. But even those ardent supporters would be hard pressed to support a man who publicly said one thing (so adamantly) and did something different.

Its never been the Arsenal way to conduct its transfer business quickly. It’s never been our way to do it to placate the fans. The problem is that this year there is so much concern. So much attention and so much at stake that fans are clamoring for something. Some word at the very least of what our intentions are.

We know nothing. I think we all know the requisite code of omerta that has to exist that says you don’t mention specific players lest their prices go up. But we haven’t got a sniff of a plan. There were early signs at the start of the summer that there might be one when Wenger insinuated we needed to get bigger and more English in the back. Good a plan. But it is a plan that doesn’t look like it has been carried through or acted on. Samba, Cahill and Jagielka still reside at their current clubs. By the way I took the term “English” when used by Wenger to mean a player ready for the rigours of the EPL not an Englishman per se.

But that was the last hint. Wenger still did deals and both Gervinho and Jenkinson look capable signings. Gervinho adds another dimension to our attack that we may have been lacking and Jenkinson is a player who can play across the back 4 and he is big and English. Uh oh.

The fact of the matter remains we still seem fairly deficient in our signings. There is a fair argument that many of the teams still haven’t done anything with the exception of City adding Aguero. United look younger – better remains to be seen. Chelsea haven’t gotten anyone in and look a year older but with a good manager and Spurs well they’re Spurs so I don’t worry about them.

Still Arsenal could make significant ground on improvement with even just a solid center back signing. That would go along way. Jenkinson and a new signing would be good additions in the back. Its so easy everyone sees it. And yes, it is easy being an arm chair prognosticator. We aren’t in the negotiations and  we don’t know what is being discussed or why hang ups in our dealings occur. But even a smidgen of what is really going on may go a long way to placating the natives.

Champion’s League Qualifier

Well, the draw came and went. A lot of people were nervous that Arsenal could draw giant killer Rubin Kazan. Instead we got drawn with Udinese who finished 4th in Serie A by virtue of GD. This is a squad not typical for Italian football and would likely be more comfortable playing in Spain where technical skill is trained. They were the darlings of the season last year and were applauded wherever they went with their young talent and skillful displays.

While they maintain Serie A’s best striker for the last two seasons in Di Natale they’ve lost key players. Like Alexis Sanchez  who happened to be the team’s assist leader. Gohkan Inler has also departed and was the heart of the midfield and they lost arguably their best defender in Christian Zapata. Still they’ve moved quickly to replace players and they’ve brought in 21 year old Diego Fabrini. Fabrini is versatile like Sanchez and can play in a forward role similar to Baggio, Totti and Del Piero or as a winger. He looks to take players on one on one and use his skill and pace to out wit opposing defenders.

Udinese have also brought in Danilo Larangeira to replace Inler and Sergio Piccolo Neuton to replace Zapata. Whether or not they can integrate quick enough remains to be seen. Udinese have a penchant for starting slow in their seasons so how they fair with this type of match early on is anyone’s guess.

What does it mean? Oh who the hell knows but it is going to be a test – one that should be won I hope by Arsenal in the second leg. I place a lot on history and Arsenal do not lose to Italian teams. Sure we will be without Van Persie and Nasri for the opening leg (Fabregas too if he is sold or doesn’t play) but there is stil quality in this side to win this match against Udinese. But as is with every coin there is another side – our defence, if it doesn’t get its act straight could cause us some issues.

The Champion’s League matches for the qualifying will be played on August 16/17 and then again a fortnight later on the 23/24.

And Finally. . .

This is the last week for anyone who wants to join the YAMA Fantasy league. You can go to http://fantasy.premierleague.com and join. Just set up your team and register with code: 244386-73388. There are already three pages of participants so it will be harder then when we had the under 20 crowd from last season.

Also this should be one of the last times we have so long between posts. The plan next week is to take a look at each of the teams competing for the title on each day culminating with Arsenal on Friday.  Of course with still business to be done by each team its going to be a little rough but we’ll give it our usual go and try and give you as much a preview as possible.

Until then . . . Stay Goonerish!!

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Michael Price

Founder, editor, writer, designer of YouAreMyArsenal.com. When he’s not following the Arsenal,he’s busy coaching various age groups the right way to play the beautiful game I am neurotic. Well, Arsenal tends to do that to you and due to this maddening love affair I have with this team across the sea, I rise and fall like everyday (given our current state some times more than 5 times a day.) I love this team and hope it comes through even slightly with this blog. If I am not here blogging away, I am either working or writing coaching sessions. All in all, I'm loving it. UTA!

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  1. Arsenalistul 9 August, 2011 at 17:09 Log in to Reply

    “The plan next week is to take a look at each of the teams competing for the title on each day culminating with Arsenal on Friday”.
    Good plan but including Arsenal in this group is only wishful thinking.
    With the current squad, and management, the most Arsenal can hope for is 4th place.
    If among the “promised” new acquisitions we’ll find Pique, Schweinsteiger, Iniesta, Busquets and Messi then I’ll eat my prediction. That’s how much would take for this team to compete for the title.
    Otherwise this summer almost looked like all the others, one hopeful signing and a lot of money spent on unproven highschoolers. The only difference is that this time even the preseason was a catastrophe.

  2. Fred 8 August, 2011 at 15:32 Log in to Reply

    Turns out the fee is 12 million down NOW (upfront) and 4 million in add-ons!!!!!!!

    For a 17 year old from League One!!!! WOOOW!!!

    • sachin 8 August, 2011 at 16:07 Log in to Reply

      @Fred, He is here to save the club in 2-3 years time. But first he must be loaned out. The future is looking bright already. Arsene just needs to get rid of the problem players like Cesc and he will be set to win the league in another 3-4 years. Also, he needs a few more solid 16-17 year olds and the next phase of the project will be set. Let Man Utd, Chelsea shake in fear at the mighty Arsenal who have the greatest mental strength in the whole league. This must be the great signing that Arsene and Ivan want fans to be happy about.

  3. Fred 8 August, 2011 at 12:55 Log in to Reply

    Apparently Traore has shifted his nationality to Senegal, so one more TWO month loss in January 2012 and 2013. Sweet!!!

    Gervinho, Chamakh, Song, Frimpong, Eboue, Traore.

    That is half our attack and 100% of our DMs!!! It also leaves us in a precarious situation at LB as Gibbs is made of soft glass.

    But not to worry, that 17 year old “new Walcott” with limited experience in League One is gonna save us! ;-)

  4. stag133 8 August, 2011 at 12:34 Log in to Reply

    Does ANYONE really care about us potentially signing
    A-O Chamberlain from Soton?
    REALLY ARSENE?
    A 17 year old kid… no experience in the Prem… NOT a DEFENDER… or DM…
    12 MILLION GPB?

    What the feck is going on over there?

    do we really need to spend that amount on unproven kids, and then feck around with the fee for Jagielka, Cahill or Samba?

    TOTAL LUNACY.
    but it fits the mold for the 2015 team.

  5. stag133 8 August, 2011 at 12:34 Log in to Reply

    Does ANYONE really care about us potentially signing
    A-O Chamberlain from Soton?
    REALLY ARSENE?
    A 17 year old kid… no experience in the Prem… NOT a DEFENDER… or DM…
    12 MILLION GPB?

    What the feck is going on over there?

    do we really need to spend that amount on unproven kids, and then feck around with the fee for Jagielka, Cahill or Samba?

    TOTAL LUNACY.
    but it fits the mold for the 2015 team.

  6. Fred 8 August, 2011 at 12:27 Log in to Reply

    With all the injury reports going on around – RvP (surprise, surprise), Gibbs, Vermaelen, Nasri, Koz, Walcott, Wilshere …. and all this before they get to the internationals!!! …. our team on Saturday could look like this….

    Sagna-DJ-Squill-Traore

    Song-Ramsey-Rosicky

    Gerv-Arsh-Chamakh

    This is the team we could start away at Newcastle!

    3 of the four defenders are certified disaster players.
    That midfield is a black hole.
    Chamakh is a zero.

    This team can easily lose 3-0.

    • ChicagoGooner 8 August, 2011 at 15:47 Log in to Reply

      @Fred,
      That’s a mid-table XI if I ever saw one.

      Sagna is by far the best player in that lineup. He has been the one and ONLY consistently good performer through all of the shit Arsenal have gone through over the past 4 seasons. (Fabregas was right there with him until this past year.)

      Ramsey is also a very good player, but as usual Arsene will probably put too much on him at too young an age.

      I don’t mind Song as much as others here do. Arshavin once was a fantastic player but now seems to be past it.

      Those are the “bright spots” in that line up. The rest? Mid-table.

  7. Kiwi 8 August, 2011 at 05:34 Log in to Reply

    DAG, fair enough man, I’m not trying to pull your chain just trying to challenge a few misconceptions. You clearly like van Persie and rate him highly – you’re not alone – a lot of Arsenal fans think similarly. I’m just not a believer in his suitability to be the apex front player. Aside from the rather show-stopping fragility issues I’m with Fred on this one, I don’t think his alround play is particularly convincing. He’s neither what I call a dynamic striker nor a guy whose game naturally draws others into the dangerzone. He’s a bit wham bam – but lacks the speed to get me excited.

    On Fabregas, again I’m with Fred – I struggle to think what exactly the guy could have done better. Sure, it’s natural for fans to feel miffed that he wants to go….. but I honestly can’t blame him. If we’d stocked up the side over the last 2 seasons and addressed the weaknesses then we’d have a better cause for feeling gilted. But we didn’t….

  8. Kiwi 8 August, 2011 at 01:12 Log in to Reply

    I used to lament on the perennial crocks at Arsenal. Where are they now? Have they ‘come good’? Was all that nashing of teeth simply misplaced angst?

    Van Persie – has never come good. Not that you would know it by the level of public fawning. Every year he is touted as a strength in the team and then proves that a nonsense. 50% starts in season 2010/2011. He’s now 28 and has only ever cracked 20 EPL starts on 1 ocassion. Unbelievable. The correlation between his first team assent and our demise is perfect.

    Rosicky – nothing needs to be said. sadly a 100% waste of space.

    Eduardo – the injury was shocking and clearly in no way his fault and yet Wenger’s inability to address his loss cost us.

    Walcott – we persist, yet inbetween injuries he looks woeful

    Diaby – see Rosicky.

    Eventually we sold Dudu. However, incredibly, the other 4 remain, clogging up the roster every season, wasting our money with non-performances. It would be an interesting analysis to compare the robustness of the Wenger’s core squad pre-2005 to post-2005. Yet another form of iceberg.

    • ChicagoGooner 8 August, 2011 at 15:40 Log in to Reply

      @Kiwi,
      Gibbs will be the next to join that list it looks. And possibly Vermaelen as well.

  9. DaAdminGooner 7 August, 2011 at 22:05 Log in to Reply

    Fred your ignorance on employee vs contract service astounds even me.

    There is no place in the world where my employment with a company can compare to being contracted for a service.

    If you and I are hired by a company we are hired (in most places) as an “at will”employee. It essentially means that at any time we are employed by a company they can terminate our employment without cause or reason. It also means we can leave our job without cause or reason. 2 weeks notice is not a legal requirement its a way of being nice to your employer so they can back fill your job.

    If I am contracted to perform a service, I am legally bound to perform that service – whatever it may be. If I fail to comply with the terms of the contract, the parties I have entered into the contract with are entitled to seek some form of damages or retribution. In the case of sports personalities it is usually the return of any bonsues or extras they received. However, if the party I have entered into the contract with terminates me without any cause or warning, I based on the terms of that contract have rights that I can seek retribution against for. These rights do not extend to me if I am a mere employee of a company.

    Why do I hold to the contract? Because Cesc and his advisors knew what they were getting into when they signed. Arsenal as the party they entered into the contract with, are absolutely right to expect that either the terms of the contract are met or that proper renumeration and resitution is provided to the club to void the rest of the terms of that contract.

    As for Cesc being the bad guy. Maybe the bad guy is the wrong term. But is not without blame in this situation. To say he isn’t and that he some sort of god to be revered is just plain idiotic. And lets be real for a moment on two facts:

    1. It was Robin Van Persie and not Cesc Fabregas that carried this team on his back and kept us in the top 4. Cesc showed up once every 4 games or so. Van Persie was “in” every game. Cesc was not our saviour last season. As a matter of fact he was the catalyst for our downfall in the Champion’s League.

    2. The protection you offer Cesc is so that you don’t have to admit that there is blame to be had other parties in addition to Wenger. For you and those like you Wenger is the be all and end all with all the problems with this club. Sorry, I don’t see it that way and I will call a spade a spade when I see it and Cesc Fabregas is certainly one of the spades on this club.

    • Kiwi 7 August, 2011 at 22:27 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner,

      Need to slay a few ugly dragons here DAG. RvP started 19 EPL games last year – that’s 50%. That’s hardly carrying the season.
      The guy’s 28 and he’s never ever played a full season. And yet, for many, their cognitive functioning happily ignores that glaring truth. As does Wenger, our manager, he continues to risk every new season on Robin van Persie an appallingly poor risk at the apex.

      Cesc is no demon. Not even close. He’s a supremely talented young man that has had a team built around him and believed the erudite words of his mentor – Messr Wenger. Sadly, for Cesc and for us, those words have proven to be hollow. I have no doubt whatsoever that Cesc was assured just as the fans have been that reinforcements would arrive. Sadly again, that has never eventuated in sufficient scope to enable a sustained challenge. Cesc’s behaviour has been close to impeccable.

      Let’s remember that Vieira (who is rightly eulogised) spent 4 off-seasons teasing the club and fans over his future during the time of Wenger’s sustained success. Why would any reasonably thinking person not think that Cesc Fabregas, born and bred near Barcelona, nurtured in his youngling years in the academy, has witnessed their incredible recent rise, sees a team managed by his idol, why wouldn’t Cesc want to move from Arsenal to Barca?

      The only villain is Wenger, he’s the spade, he’s the only one that could take action to reinforce the squad and make Cesc’s decision to stay easier. But no, no ,no. Wenger fiddles as Rome burns.

      • DaAdminGooner 8 August, 2011 at 00:14 Log in to Reply

        @Kiwi,

        Never said he saved us for an entire season – I said RvP was more instrumental in our securing a top 4 spot than Cesc was last season. If not for his scoring 17 in 18 games. We don’t make the top 4.

        • Fred 8 August, 2011 at 03:24

          @DaAdminGooner,

          As I have pointed out, his goals did NOT get us into the top four.

    • Fred 8 August, 2011 at 00:45 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner,

      Hahaha … nice one DAG. However, lets look CLOSELY at Robin “God” Perse’s record shall we.

      Of the 15 league games after January. He scored in 9 of those games. In the nine games he scored in we WON only ONE of those games (at home to Wolves). In those nine games (27 points), we dropped 19 points.
      The other games we won, Blackpool, Man U, Stoke, Everton … he did NOT score.

      If you take out the five games in which he saved us a loss by scoring that is FIVE points saved. Those five points he saved us is still less than the six points we had over fifth place Spurs.

      ———————————
      So he might score a lot, but he does not necessarily help the team’s structure, shape as a roving, non-physical presence in the box.

      Look at how he has scored in the last three pre-season and yet we have won NONE of them.

      Yes, it is a unfair to blame RvP for the team’s failings all over the pitch plus as a striker he might not have enough influence all over the pitch (though I still maintain his playing style does not allow us to have any sort of shape to build on).

      All that said, I am completely DEBUNKING your claim that RvP was the reason we got top four. No way Jose.

      He tried his very best, but no way. Without the built up points before his re-emergence from injury, we would not have made top 4.

      Fabregas has carried this team on his back for SIX good years. RvP has been missing all those years … just because he has a good second half of season doesnt make him the lynchpin. Sorry.

      RvP could score 30 goals next season and without Fabregas we still finish 8th.

      Your hatred of Fabregas is just astonishing really. But I beg of you to please direct your anger at the SOLE cause of Arsenal’s decline into the garbage can. Arsene Effing Wenger.

      • DaAdminGooner 8 August, 2011 at 00:55 Log in to Reply

        @Fred,

        Fred –

        I never said I hated Fabregas don’t try and put words in my mouth Fred.

        I have said over and over, that Fabregas is not the saint and savior he has been made out to be and for as much as RvP is crocked he is followed right behind by his Spanish pal.

        So Fred if RvP wasn’t crucial to our survival – take his goals out of those draws in the end. What happens if we don’t have those goals – oh hey i know we lose. What happens if we lose? Oh hey I know we don’t make the top 4. So my premise still holds true – without RvP we don’t make the top 4.

        Where was Cesc during all of that? Not scoring goals thats for sure. Do you know who set up most of RvPs goals? Some came from Fabregas. But most came from Arshavin and Walcott. Huh imagine that.

        Cesc did nothing for this team in the first half because he spent about 10 weeks on the sideline. Nasri scored for us while he was out.

        Nasri will be a far bigger loss to this team than Cesc will be. Mark my words on that,

        • Fred 8 August, 2011 at 01:15

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Your third paragraph doesnt compute. Like I said in my initial post, his goals turned five games from losses (0 points) to draws (1 points). So that is 5 points. We topped Spurs by six points. So “technically” he did not save us our top 4 spot.

          As for your fourth paragraph, please provide stats. No point arguing that.

          And no he did NOT miss 10 weeks in the first half of the season.

          Fabregas injury record is NOTHING similar to RvP. RvP is “accidental” and random injury that can happen anytime. Fabregas is WEAR AND TEAR from OVERWHELMING BURDEN. He has been CARRYING the team for SIX years. And each season the squad gets WEAKER and his burden increases. As such opposing teams quickly realize if they can stop Fabregas, they can pretty much stop Arsenal creating anything. So they started kicking the hell out of him. Five years on consistent small (and some serious) kicks add up you know.

          In the Barca first leg, he played the full match with a broken leg, stepping up to score the late penalty. Hobbling in pain without being taken off, even after the equalizer. Maybe that has a lot to do with his injuries this last season. Have you ever thought of that??

          Also when he was playing with a broken leg, did you consider him a “bad guy” then too? Or is that more recent opinion?

          ————————————————————-

          The very idea that Nasri is a bigger loss than Cesc is, no offense, hands down the ridiculous thing I have EVER heard. Nasri is a goalscorer who plays in midfield or on the wings. He does not create, he does not assist, he does not hold the team together in ANY way. He is NOT structurally necessary. Nasri is thoroughly and completely replaceable. Infact, Gervinho is more useful structurally than Nasri.

          Fabregas is at least TEN times more important than Nasri will ever be for ANY team.

          As I said, I really dont understand your hatred for the young Spaniard. Whats next, you gonna tell me, Fabregas isn’t any better than Squillaci or Denilson? LOL.

        • DaAdminGooner 8 August, 2011 at 02:11

          @Fred,

          Fred, I’ve warned you once about putting words in my mouth. I would like you show me where I said I hate Cesc. As I will continue to say I have always contended that as talented as he is he is neither the saint nor the saviour he has been made out to be.

          As for the 10 week period there were two stretches of about 4-5 ( maybe one of them was actually 3) weeks last season in the first half where Cesc was out. During that time Nasri was his most prolific. 5 goals in each stretch.

          My remarks about his being the bad guy are related to the transfer saga not his performance on the pitch. I think you can go back over all my Cesc articles and see that I have clearly said that. Cesc has done nothing to quell the circus environment that has been created and many people I hold in high regard from the likes of the AST and other supporter organizations believe he has done this as a passive aggressive way to force the clubs hand. What is admirable about that? Look noone is going begrudge the lad if he wants to go. Just make it clear and get it done instead of sitting around like some petulant child.

          Frankly, I don’t buy all the bunk that Wenger said sure Cesc we’ll sell you next season. Honestly why bother coming out with the charade of “we’re going to keep him.” Frankly, I think the decision to sell is recent as of just before the Asian tour when Cesc decided to opt out of it.

        • Fred 8 August, 2011 at 02:48

          @DaAdminGooner,

          And where did I say I was quoting you. There are no quotation marks anywhere in my post. It is my opinion that you actively dislike him based on your aggressive attack of the Fab-meister.

          Why is it his job to quell the circus??? Should he LIE to you and say he wants to stay if he really does not? Don’t be mad at him for being honest and not being like every other player who lies through their teeth.

          How is keeping absolutely quiet acting like a “petulant child”?? Infact, that is the exact OPPOSITE of being petulant. Petulant is Samir “One-Trick” Nasri refusing to shake his Gallas’ hand or picking a fight with some members of the French team because he is on his period or something.

          The opposite of petulant is Denilson dissing Fabregas in public and Fabregas responding in a positive fashion and ending the drama. A grown up. A class act.

          Nope, Wenger didnt agree to sell him from last season. He probably agreed this summer when Fabregas told him he wanted out.

        • Kiwi 8 August, 2011 at 01:21

          @DaAdminGooner,
          If van Persie excelled in the later half of the season – where was he when we fell apart at the business end? In the Carling Cup and the thereafter? He’s a character, but he’s not a glue-like player, and ultimately he just can’t make the field enough. It’s a fact.

          Robin’s appearance record is dismal even compared to Cesc’s – which isn’t top drawer. I know Cesc has had some interruptions, but appearance stats aren’t questionable – they’re there in black and white. Look for yourself.

        • DaAdminGooner 8 August, 2011 at 02:03

          @Kiwi,

          Where was he when we fell apart? He was the only one scoring if memory serves me correctly.

        • Fred 8 August, 2011 at 02:38

          @DaAdminGooner,

          And in those holy games that he scored, we created very few chances, looked completely out of shape, had no presence in the box and we lost and drew the vast majority of them.

          Interesting isnt it?

    • Fred 8 August, 2011 at 00:56 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner,

      As for your talk about the “hallowed contracts” …. loool!

      Come on man, stop shilling for the for-profit corps. I work for one and I “love ’em” … but no way am gonna defend them the way you do.

      People BREAK contracts every single day. Jeez.

      What part of the following sequence don’t you understand?

      1) He told Wenger that he wants to go back home to Barcelona.
      2) Wenger accepted and told him to keep quiet.
      3) Fabregas is waiting for Arsenal and Barca to get to an agreement.
      4) He is not asking to leave Arsenal for free.

      Exactly what part of this dont you understand??

      In the summer of 2001, Vieira said he definitely wanted to leave Arsenal because he though the club was completely ambitionless. He and his agent ACTIVELY met with club reps of Madrid, Milan, Juve and several other top clubs. He pulled similar stunts for the NEXT FOUR summers.

      And you are here demonizing Fabregas?? Astonishing really.

      PS: Is Fabregas also the reason Wenger hasnt bought a CB yet? Or hasnt done ANY thing else yet to improve the team??

      • DaAdminGooner 8 August, 2011 at 02:21 Log in to Reply

        @Fred,

        Fred show me where people break contracts every day? And when you do – be sure to look up the ensuing law suits that follow.

        You made the point that you and I could quit our jobs or get fired at any moment and equated that to contracted service. As I rightly educated you – there is an extreme difference between someone who is an at will employee versus someone who has signed a legally bound contract.

        Don’t skirt the point. Like you always do.

        1. Sure, there is no argument on that,
        2. How do you know that was agreed upon?
        3. Um okay whats your point?
        4. No shit – dude your grasp of the obvious is amazing.

        Fred, I don’t equate the Fabregas saga with any other transfer dealing. It is entirely two different issues.

        And while I wasn’t blogging on Arsenal when Viera was pulling his shit, I can remember being equally as critical to the lads I used to go to the pub and watch the Arsenal matches with. I would say it for any player at any club under a long term contract – it is a complete lack of respect to the club who pays them quite handsomly and affords them the life they lead based on the contract they signed.

        • Fred 8 August, 2011 at 02:54

          @DaAdminGooner,

          I work for a very large engineering corporation and we hire tons of contractors (on guess what, contracts). Usually on 1 or 2 year contracts.

          Guess what? They can decide to leave and get another job, they can also decide to move towns, or get pregnant and become stay at homes, or get married or become priests and live a life of solitude.

          And yet the contracts they sign are iron clad, “deliver this in the next few months” kind of deals with specific, solid products as deliverables YET they can bail out whenever.

          Turns out we can’t enslave an individual to a corporation. Shocking.

  10. Kiwi 7 August, 2011 at 21:29 Log in to Reply

    Wenger calls for perspective – I think 6 years provides longitudinal perspective. The post Carling Cup flop provided more recent perspective, and the pre-season even more recent perspective. So what perspective is it exactly that Wenger is looking at?

    The best you can say is that the leadership mix at Arsenal isn’t right:
    Wenger + zero does not equal trophies
    Kroneke, Gazidis, Hillwood, Rice – none of them offer specifically what we need IF Wenger is part of the future.

    Interesting to see Dein re-emerge at this time. I wonder why he has chosen now to break his silence. Dein is a savvy operator. “Unfinished business”? Like him or not (and I like him) he’s savvy. All the scraps of inside information that have come to light suggest that his involvement was a necessary part of the success Arsenal enjoyed under both GG and AW. Since his departure, the only success we can claim is financial and infrastructural – zippo on-field.

    We’re on the Titanic, we all see the icebergs, Captain Wenger and the owners are in denial (…he’s sailed this way many times before you know…).

    • ChicagoGooner 7 August, 2011 at 22:06 Log in to Reply

      @Kiwi,
      I like the Titanic metaphor. I think the Wenger-Rice-Ivan-PHW-Kroenke cartel is of the “this ship is unsinkable” ilk when it comes to Arsenal finishing outside the top 4.

      • Kiwi 7 August, 2011 at 23:00 Log in to Reply

        @ChicagoGooner, I fear we’re on course for a strike….

  11. Fred 7 August, 2011 at 20:14 Log in to Reply

    Nobody bothers commenting on the Benfica game, because there really isnt much to say. We lost a lead and went on to an embarassing defeat. What else is new?

    Hilarious though watching the midget Latin playmaker, Pablo Aimar OUTMUSCLE Vermaelen though …. you know the guy who is supposed to save us defensively this season.

    Wait till Thomas gets reacquainted with Kevin Davies and co.

    Special mention for Chamakh though.

    He is hands down, the WORST striker to have worn an Arsenal jersey in the last 20 years.

  12. DaAdminGooner 7 August, 2011 at 14:08 Log in to Reply

    For those that want to hear the full Dein interview – it can be found here on the BBC Web site:

    http://www.arsenalnews.co.uk/039underrate-wenger-at-your-peril039-warns-david-dein/link/85139/

  13. stag133 7 August, 2011 at 13:05 Log in to Reply

    HTS.
    We played in Portugal? oh. ok.
    I personally don’t care. Just my stance.
    They could play across the street from me, and right now, I wouldn’t go watch.

    Though. I did just read that: RVP & Vermaelen & Gibbs were ALL injured in the match in Portugal.

    Who’s replacing them?

    The ManU v ManCity match was on… I watched some of it, and it was very entertaining open football. We used to play regularly in this match. But we haven’t been one of the 2 best teams in England in 6 years.

    Yes. The BIGGER picture is far more important … and far more relevant … to me at least… than whats happening on the pitch, especially in pre-season.

    The powers in charge at the club have rendered the season meaningless to me, and we haven’t kicked a ball yet.

    How a player, be it Cesc or Nasri… are the bad guy(s) for wanting to leave the club, is beyond me… like the supporters, I am 100% sure the players have been sold a BS story by Wenger and the Board, EVERY YEAR, that we’ll be bringing in players to improve the squad, and spending money necessary to make the team competitive for titles again.

    Cesc’s done nothing wrong, other than give 8 years to the club. He wants to go, let him go. 30 or 35 Million is a MASSIVE return on investment… but Arsenal FC want to get every last pence out of every player going out… so they can put it in their PROFIT column. That is ALL its about, because the money won’t all be spent on players coming in.
    So, what we are talking about is HOW MUCH PROFIT the club make. Why a “supporter” would care about that, I have absolutely no idea. It is completely irrelevant to a fan, unless you’ve lost your mind.

    • sachin 7 August, 2011 at 13:34 Log in to Reply

      @stag133, Previously, I thought RVP got injured playing friendlies for Holland but yesterday’s injury means that injury clause extends to playing friendlies on foreign soil, be it for Arsenal or Holland.

      • DaAdminGooner 7 August, 2011 at 13:44 Log in to Reply

        @sachin,

        In fairness the tackle on RvP was rather heinous for a friendly but he got up and finished the half with what didn’t look like too much difficulty.

        Didn’t see any injury to Vermaelen or Gibbs.

        Gibbs had the best match of the pre-season with a wonder cross that found RvP for a goal.

    • HighburyTerraceSteve 7 August, 2011 at 14:58 Log in to Reply

      @stag133, Yeah good matches on early this morning….West Ham-Cardiff (1st match of the season was a stormer with tons of chances and a cruel late goal–right through a former England # 1’s hands…..) and Fergie must’ve lit a little fire under his boys at half-time….combined with Clichy coming on for City, it was enough to make up for some iffy work by De Gea…..Anybody know why Nani lost his starting spot at the end of last season?…..

      Could these “injuries” just be more Wenger lies to keep key players out of the Internationals?…..

      Agree with DAG that all three looked pretty good (TV5 was muscled off the ball for Benfica’s 1st….) and didn’t appear hurt. Gibbs and TV5 subs came at a weird times, however…..

      • Mazza 7 August, 2011 at 16:28 Log in to Reply

        @HighburyTerraceSteve,

        I remember being surprised when Nani was seemingly dropped – despite still scoring goals and playing well. Same with Berbatov.

        But you see (another Arsene dig coming), that’s one of many difference between us and United, or Fergie and Wenger. Fergie has the balls and ruthlessness to be pro-active and pre-empt drops in form by taking players out of the side and re-jigging. Wenger on the other hand just plays them over and over again till they’re done.

      • Caribkid 7 August, 2011 at 20:10 Log in to Reply

        @HighburyTerraceSteve,

        Nani got a knock just about the time Valencia came back and lit it up.

        Giggs and Park were getting all the time on the left because Scholes was still there and Fergie preferred Valencia’s defensive skills.

  14. HighburyTerraceSteve 7 August, 2011 at 12:44 Log in to Reply

    Good stuff from everybody and not a WORD about the match in Portugal…..Are we so caught up in the larger narratives that actual Arsenal football doesn’t matter?

    Maybe it’s that it’s just too grim to actually watch the product on the pitch. What I saw was a very fragile squad with the depth of a puddle. But because it’s “Arsenal” the better ones are off to play international football this week while the younger ones wait to see if they’re getting loaned out or playing in the CL. Meanwhile Newcastle will be spending the week in a kum-ba-yah circle showering love on Joey Barton, thinking “Hey, remember Arsenal? They’re pretty shite, let’s not spot them 4 goals this time”…..

    My point is that we are SCA-REWED….The Cesc and Nasri situations and the lack of pro-active transfer work has undermined what should have been a GREAT summer (no big tourneys for ANY of our players). IMO the blame must be shouldered by the ownership, which is a legacy of the board (and their one-year continuation agreement). Of course Gazidis and Wenger are toeing the company line, which I frankly cannot understand unless it’s all about the money for them too. From Kronke, to PHW to the aforementioned two, I’m seeing a massively risk-averse, profit first modus operandi, which frankly stinks…..

    It’s understandable however given the ugliness of greed which pervades our world. Still, you would think that SOMEBODY at Arsenal would stand up for some artistry and some fun and the desire to create something good. Kronke and the board SHOULD be laying out some funds UP FRONT in support of somebody’s vision. If they still believe in AW they should be restructuring the entire wage structure so Nasri gets his 200k a week and everybody else gets a similar raise, based on their (potential) contribution. If not Wenger then surely there must be another mumbling Scot out there (in addition to Fergie and Kenny) to suggest absurd bids for all the English “talent” out there…..Bottom line, we charge the highest prices, the board has cashed in, and now it appears Kronke is happy to bide his time until the masses demand Usmanov/Dein and he can turn a quick profit of a few hundred million…..

    It all points to how the top of the game has grown exceptionally (and unsustainably) rotten. Top players can rely on a decent season of stats and/or a Youtube compilation and worm their way onto the teams with the deep pockets, whether they be those of Sheiks, Oligarchs, Prime Ministers or other institutions that will always be bailed out of their debts (which are puny compared to the bigger ones out there). These players have a free agency of sorts and can play out their contracts at half speed while avoiding and/or nursing injury. I don’t blame them, but it’s a terrible pity that fans are deprived of their best efforts.

    The game (and society/global capitalism more generally) need restructuring. So much these days depends on the largesse of the obscenely rich. Some (Sheik Mansour, Roman Abramovich) put a club and it’s supporters on the shoulders of their ego-projects, somewhat similarly to the way Bill Gates tries to do good work with his charities. Others (like our boy Stan) seem bent on climbing the Forbes list (maybe to get out of the shadow of his Walton wife?….) while (like the Murdochs or the Kochs) he tries to convince us stupid/poor people to stay loyal to our tribe while voting (with our wallets) to line his pocket…..

    I’d like to think that there will be revolution that would set things on more equal footing….for everybody’s eventual benefit. Experience, however, tells me not to hold my breath….

  15. DaAdminGooner 7 August, 2011 at 08:12 Log in to Reply

    David Dein has come out in support of his old partner:

    Dein told Sportsweek on BBC Radio Five Live: “Arsene Wenger will admit he has had the most difficult couple of years of his career, for two reasons.

    “One is the fact the game is getting more competitive, we have seen more money coming in so the competition out there is more intense.

    “Secondly, he has had to contend with the fact he hasn’t achieved what he would have hoped to achieve, albeit he has done remarkably well in the quality and style of play.

    “But he himself, and the fans, want to win trophies. Arsene is very focused and very determined. I see him regularly, I see a man who still has as much fire in the belly today as when he started.

    “He wants to win. I believe in his ability and I know for a fact he is trying very hard to improve the squad this year and I hope he does it.

    “People have got to remember what he has achieved. It is easy in life to get rid of people. Then what?

    “How do you follow Arsene Wenger? That is going to be the trick for the board and it is not going to be an easy exercise.”

    Interesting to note that Dein and Wenger still remain in very close contact with each other.

    • sachin 7 August, 2011 at 13:36 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner, I wonder are these words like a vote of confidence? Given the timing, does it mean that this is the first time Wenger is truly under pressure and in need of vocal support? It is remarkable that he has been comfortable for so many years whereas most managers are under pressure just a few months in a season.

      Also, are the words that Dein stays in touch with Wenger meant for fans (including myself) who said that if Dein was around in an official capacity, things would have been different.

      • DaAdminGooner 7 August, 2011 at 13:48 Log in to Reply

        @sachin,

        I wonder if this is a play to get back in. If Wenger and he are still in touch could it be a case of “David I need you.”

  16. ChicagoGooner 7 August, 2011 at 02:11 Log in to Reply

    Ah, I see you’ve finally caved and allowed ads on the site DAG. That’s just the way of the world, I suppose. It was a good run while it lasted and I salute you for it.

    • DaAdminGooner 7 August, 2011 at 08:25 Log in to Reply

      @ChicagoGooner,

      I held out while I could. But the layoff has changed everything. At least I’ll be able to write more.

  17. Caribkid 6 August, 2011 at 21:19 Log in to Reply

    At this point I am simply tired of all this shit. I am tired of Nasri, tired of Cesc and darn well tired of our egotistical, incompetent manager, Arsene.

    All three of them need to go so we can start rebuilding this club in the right image.

    It is said that when the foundation is rotten you have to tear it down and build anew. Seems we have gotten to that point. Arsene is unable to understand what is needed to win and his inability to realize weaknesses and what needs to be done in order to correct them has gone too far.

    He is living in an egalitarian dreamworld with no chance of success.

    We don’t even play attractive football anymore.

    • sachin 7 August, 2011 at 00:30 Log in to Reply

      @Caribkid, yeah, exactly what I was thinking but I want Ivan to be added to that list as well. I want my club to stop being such a joke with transfer exit rumours every summer, painful non-activity for worthy signings all the time and then even more painful collapses year after year.

      • ChicagoGooner 7 August, 2011 at 01:56 Log in to Reply

        @sachin,
        Agree with you and CK. The need for Gazidis and Wenger to leave is much greater than the need for Cesc and Nasri to leave, yet unfortunately 2-man duopoly that runs Arsenal will likely not leave anytime soon.

        Honestly, what would it take? Some here are saying we could finish 6th or 7th. I certainly don’t put it out of the realm of possibility. So suppose it did happen. Suppose we finished 6th/7th. Would that be enough for the Kronke/PHW/the Board to get rid of Ivan and Wenger? If Dein were still around he’d probably see the need to get rid of them in the wake of a finish that low. And at one point he may have had the leverage to push it through.

        But now? Where’s the leadership? Where’s the direction? Even if there is solid leadership with a well-defined direction, would that view call for the sacking of the duo in the event a 6th/7th place finish? Honestly I think it would depend on the money. If that type of finish pushed the club books into red ink, I think they duo would be gone. But if we finished that low and still managed to be profitable, I could see them being allowed to stay on.

        • sachin 7 August, 2011 at 12:38

          @ChicagoGooner, I have also been thinking what would it take for Wenger to go. But your last statement rings true and I also believe because of that he will be here for a long time. Even if Arsenal finish 5th or lower, then the club would still have been profitable. Plus, Wenger would argue that this is first time the team has finished out of the top 4 under him so he needs to be saluted for his remarkable run and the board would agree for him to stay longer. Any profits the team misses by not being in the CL would force Arsenal to make an extended USA tour to make some of that money up. The rest of the money would be recouped by selling all the remaining big names (RVP, Arshavin, Walcott, assuming Cesc and Nasri are already gone) and going on the next phase of the experiment, which means even more younger players.

          If fans are upset, then so what? Others will take their place. If fans boo, then they will have season ticket revoked as I am sure a clause will be inserted that any disrespect to the team and its players will result in a season ticket being lost.

          The club got their ticket hike put up at a very low point in the season and have basically got away with it, despite doing next to nothing in the transfer market so far. That to me signals that there are some in the club who think they can get away with anything. Yes there are murmurs of discontent around but it is not a full blown resentment, despite what is out there on the net.

      • Caribkid 7 August, 2011 at 07:11 Log in to Reply

        @sachin,

        Yup, and you can add PHW to the list also.

        • sachin 7 August, 2011 at 12:31

          @Caribkid, oh yeah how could I forget him.

  18. DaAdminGooner 6 August, 2011 at 20:13 Log in to Reply

    Just to be clear my position on Cesc doesn’t absolve the board or Wenger from how it has handled this as well.

    If they want to sell him – sell him. If Barca don’t meet your valuation say so and move on and hold the lad to his contract. If he wanted to go so badly those years ago – he shouldn’t have signed the extension. As it is Arsenal hold the cards they ought to freakin act like they do and not do this mamby pamby tango with Barcelona.

    Wenger and the Board have allowed this to happen by lacking any direction or spine. Freakin pick a position and stick to it.

    • Fred 6 August, 2011 at 20:29 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner,

      Maybe he did not want to leave so badly 3 years ago? Maaaaaayyyybeeee!

      And for the upteempth time, there is nothing hallowed or sacred about working contracts. Really, think about it.

      Fab is not demanding to leave for free, he is just staying quiet like the class act that he is, and waiting for the two clubs to come to an agreement.

      • DaAdminGooner 6 August, 2011 at 20:43 Log in to Reply

        @Fred,

        Sorry I disgaree there is everything hallowed by a contract. Why have them then if they didn’t mean anything?

        He is a class act to you so you can maintain Wenger as the villain in all dealings. That’s fine. Wenger bears the brunt for a lot of what’s wrong here.

        Tell me what was classy about going to see the Spanish Grand Prix during the last game of the season? You’re team captain even if you’re injured you go with the team. What was classy about not travelling with the team? Couldn’t the training staff attend to him there? What was classy about him leaving the Emirates at half-time during the Emirates Cup? The answer nothing.

        This Cesc as a class act is a charade. Sure he’s done his duty and done it well. Sure he has carried us on his back. But what star player doesn’t. And he has been handsomely rewarded for it.

        Sure he has been silent and “respectful” in this. But his behaviour as listed above is anything but respectful. It is anything but classy.

        What’s he going to do if Barca don’t meet Arsenal’s stated value? If the club decide not to sell they are within their right. Then what’s he going to do? If he winds up having to play here another year is he going to give another half-assed attempt and blame it on a recurring thigh injury.

        Don’t let your hatred for Wenger blind you to what a growing petulant priss Fabregas is becoming.

        • Fred 7 August, 2011 at 19:20

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Really DAG?

          MILLIONS of people ALL over the world sign work contracts EVERY SINGLE WEEK. And guess what, the employer can terminate them anytime. The worker (you and I) can MOVE anytime (with two weeks notice).

          So are you asking me why these millions of people sign contracts to work??

          Last time I checked, Fabregas is waiting for a deal to be made between the two clubs and is staying completely quiet. What the hell else do you want him to do? Attack his employer!

          Lets be rationale here. Fabregas is NOT an Arsenal possession. Neither is any worker a slave to any freaking corporation.

          Why you keep on defending the “hallowed contract ” is completely beyond me.

        • Fred 7 August, 2011 at 19:29

          @DaAdminGooner,

          If nothing happens regarding a move then nothing happens. He has not dissed the club (like you demand he does with a transfer request).

          Half assed attempt??? Fabregas’ “half assed performance” last season was the MAIN reason we were in the top four. I would take his alleged “half-assed” performance over the piling steam of dung this current Wenger team is.

          ——————————————————

          Re: Fabregas not going to the stadium on the last day. Are you serious???

          In 2000, when Man U had won the league a few games before the season, Roy Keane and a few other players were sent home for the season. Roy Keane was spotted watching horse racing in Man U’s penultimate match.

          So, my question to you is this … was Roy Keane a “bad guy”, “petulant priss”??

          Please answer that.

          Fabregas has been an absolute CLASS ACT through out his stay here.

          There is only ONE reason Arsenal is turning into a garbage club – Arsene Effing Wenger.

          Please stop deflecting the issue on Fabregas. He has got NOTHING to do with this.

  19. stag133 6 August, 2011 at 18:04 Log in to Reply

    why is 30 or 35 Million a low ball offer for Cesc?
    I hear all the time on here… “nobody is worth X number of dollars”… when City or Liverpool pay 20 or 30 or whatever, many on here say its bad business… the player isn’t worth it.

    Let’s face facts… HE DOESN’T WANT TO PLAY @ ARSENAL.
    He’s willing to FORGO signing bonus… he can just NOT PLAY, and we lose the money, and we don’t have player… how exactly does that benefit the club in any sense? A Captain at the club who has no interest in playing for the team.
    TAKE 35 Million, and MOVE THE FECK ON.

    NASRI. Same deal. If he doesn’t want to play for us. BYE BYE.
    He’s a very good player. Doesn’t want to be here? OK, bring in another very good player, and MOVE ON.

    The ENTIRE PROBLEM is WENGER and THE BOARD.
    Can’t manage to do deals, head up their ASS about Cesc and Nasri, and we’ve waited until the end of the transfer market again.

    I says to me, its BY PLAN… we can SELL CESC & NASRI for a lot of money, and CLAIM we don’t have time to do business and bring other players in… its the “new” Arsenal way.

    And why is exactly is Cesc NOT speaking out… a negative? He is not bashing the team, saying anything negative about Arsenal FC… you can IMAGINE whatever you like, but he wants to play for Barcelona, has for a few years… and we’re fecking about trying to hold him for a massive ransom. That’s IDIOTIC. Get what you can, go out and bring in replacement players.
    How the hell does keeping him, or naming him on a CL roster HELP ARSENAL? No other player would look at this as a positive in the WORLD. It would make Arsenal far less of a destination team for ANYONE who is worth his salt… it would be the stupidest move in football history…. or something close to it.

    Arsenal and Arsene have completely f*CKED this off-season, and this SEASON… I am so freaking ANGRY its beyond me… and I am NOT alone… most of the mates I have in London, who are lifetime Arsenal supporters are also pissed off with the club…

    Cesc is NOT the bad guy here, it would be the board/Wenger, whomever is holding him back, and screwing around with the sale of the player. You don’t treat players, or people for that matter, who’ve been loyal to the club, in this shitty manner… it is TERRIBLE business.

    Really NOT looking forward to the season.
    Going to be HELL to watch this club go down the toilet, out of the CL and out of the top 4 or top 6…. anything is possible… because the players surely don’t know what the hell is going on with the team… just like we don’t.
    7 days away, we don’t know who’s GOING, and why we haven’t brought in players to make the team better. WILSHIRE, NASRI and OTHERS have all asked the same questions via the media… Nasri apparently had a blow up with Wenger, and you have to believe he said something like:
    “you promised us you would invest this Summer, improve the team, bring in name players, what the hell are you doing… I want to be transfered… I am not going through another year of this shit”.

    • DaAdminGooner 6 August, 2011 at 18:16 Log in to Reply

      @stag133,

      Sorry Cesc is definitely the bad guy here. If he wants out so bad – say so publically. Put a freakin transfer request in. And don’t give me he doesn’t want to hurt the club or is too loyal to the club – BS. If he was loyal to the club he would honour his contract.

      As it is he is pulling passive aggressive BS but not participating in practices or team events. Injury my ass.

      And you are in the minority on Cesc here. The growing dissatisfaction with Cesc is going to make it interesting if he stays. To a tee if he stays noone wants him as Captain – frankly more and more people don’t want him here at all.

      The club set a value for the player. The club who want him have not met the value. How that is holding Cesc back I dunno. You pay the value of the club who hold his contract. He is 24 years old. One of the top 5 Midfielders in Europe, the top midefielder in the EPL and is on a contract through 2015. That spells a significant amount. If Barca can’t get its act together and get a serious offer – piss off. The club believes Cesc is worth a certain amount and thats all anyone needs to know. Even Cesc.

      As for the Nasri blow that has been completely debunked by like 4 different sources.

      • vibe4arsenal 6 August, 2011 at 18:30 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        If he’s not putting in a formal transfer request, you don’t think that has something to do with Wenger’s wishes? The truth is evident enough without having to put the final nail in any possible leverage the club has by making a formal declaration. That would Barca is an official ‘take it or leave it’ position.

        So, yeah, it’s easy to look at this in such a way as Cesc is being as loyal he can possibly be to a club he has ZERO interest in playing for. I’d bet Wenger is asking him to hold fire, while Cesc is saying ‘Okay, but get it done already.’ Calling him ‘the bad guy’ is just one more deflection from the truth that some still don’t want to accept.

        The architects of this situation are the only ones, in any way, responsible for all of this. And Cesc has never, ever, been driving this bus.

        • DaAdminGooner 6 August, 2011 at 18:45

          @vibe4arsenal,

          If he really wants out what does he care about Wenger’s wishes? I don’t see how the club is responsible for Barca not meeting the club’s valuation.

          Its not up to Arsenal to get it done. Arsene and Arsenal have likely said they’d sell if Barca met the club’s price. Barca haven’t done that. It is entirely up to Barca to get this done not Arsenal.

        • vibe4arsenal 6 August, 2011 at 19:17

          @DaAdminGooner,

          “If he really wants out what does he care about Wenger’s wishes? ”

          Because he evidently still has some (misguided) loyalty to Wenger, who he may genuinely like, even if he doesn’t like the direction he’s taken the club in? Because he may still respect Wenger, even if he simply wants to go home. It’s a lot easier to explain why Cesc is nowhere near at fault here then it is to make him the ‘bad guy’.

          In any case, it now appears you’ve moved onto to blaming Barca for not getting this deal done. Anybody but Wenger, eh? S’all right. I’m still YAMA loyal, even though I disagree with you completely here.

        • Mazza 6 August, 2011 at 18:52

          @vibe4arsenal,

          Agreed.

          Cesc is completely irrelevant, but those who are still in denial over Wenger being completely negligent (for years now) need a target to snipe at. Cesc is a nice easy target, despite being a complete class act throughout the whole thing.

          He’s tolerated playing with retards in midfield for nigh on three years; he’s tolerated the clownery in defence and keeper department; and he’s dragged us to the top four every season. He’s also kept his counsel and played with passion. If he’s starting to protect his hamstring to in turn protect his future, then again, it’s completely understandable. He’s already payed Wenger back in spades, and then some.

          Also, what do we gain if he hands in a transfer request? What did it gain Luka Modric?

          If anything it will mean us having to sell him for even cheaper.

          Cesc is being completely respectable, staying quiet in the hope we get a good deal and looking as if he’s somehwhat ambivalent to the whole thing, when in reality he’s desperate to leave.

          Barca are the villains here.

      • Fred 6 August, 2011 at 19:45 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        How on earth is Cesc the “bad guy”??

        You want him to put in a transfer request? That would mean Arsenal have ZERO leverage and get FAR LESS money. Nothing else.

        As it occurred to you that Wenger and Fabregas have already agreed that he would leave … once the two clubs have an agreement. Why are you demanding that Cesc completely destroy the club’s leverage? (not that I care how much money Wenger FC receives).

        He is now the bad guy for doing and saying NOTHING?
        Hilarious really.

        Growing dissatisfaction for Cesc? From whom? The AKBs? The same folks who think our squad is solid now?

        • DaAdminGooner 6 August, 2011 at 20:10

          @Fred,

          The dissatisfation is coming from many places, AKBers and Anyone But Wenger disciples. I know a lot of the folks from the AST and Black Scarves want him gone.

          How does putting a transfer request win reduce the clubs leverage. Everyone knows he wants to go. The know he wants to go to only one club. If that doesn’t reduce the club’s leverage nothing will.

          Cesc is the bad guy because he refuses to practice. Refuses to travel with the team. And if reports are to beleived has already asked not to be included in the CL squad. I don’t care if you want to be gone, until you’re gone you are player under contract by the club and you will do as the club tells you.

        • Fred 6 August, 2011 at 20:25

          @DaAdminGooner,

          There is a BIG difference between wanting him to get his move to Barcelona to thinking that he is the “bad guy” like you apparently do.

          I want him to join Barca because I want him to finally get the career satisfaction and club silverware that he absolutely deserves. Something he will NEVER get under Wenger.

          I say it reduces Arsenal’s leverage and you say it does not, so why do you want him to do it anyway then? There is a gap in logic here.

          And why on earth will he cup tie himself to a club that he will NOT be playing for later in the season. So that he will be seating in the stands watching his new team in the later stages of the CL come April/May? Come on DAG, be reasonable.

          And lastly, what is this misguided talk about “do as the club tells you”??? REALLY???

          What makes the club holy??

          Do you (or ANYBODY else) just obey your employer like a slave?

          If I want to join a new company I give my employer 2 weeks notice and say bye to my friends. For profit companies do NOT deserve any sort of misguided deference. So that last paragraph is completely without basis.

        • DaAdminGooner 6 August, 2011 at 20:50

          @Fred,

          Um, most people I know and have chatted with don’t want him to go to get his dream move to Barca. As a matter of fact many want him sold to whomever meets his value. You may not realize but Cesc’s days as jesus are gone. That tarnish has been wiped off and people are growing increasingly dissatisfied from him and its not just Wenger loyalists, its coming from all corners of Arsenal fandom. They could care less if he gets dream move – they want him gone because has been part of perpetrating this continuing circus.

          Why cup tie him? If he’s here, he’s a member of this team. If you get named to the squad you get named to the squad. If Cesc can play and is part of this team, Wenger has a duty to name the best possible squad. That means Fabregas if he is here. Barca be damned.

          Yeah, I tend to do what my employer tells me to do because if I don’t, the likelihood of my not having a job increases.

          Your two week analogy doesn’t work here – it is different then a player who is under contract. An at will employee is a totally different situation than one who is signed under a long term contract.

        • Fred 7 August, 2011 at 19:49

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Sorry, Fabregas will GO TO BARCELONA. Arsenal is NOT selling him to any other club. NO CHANCE.

          I was telling you all season, he would leave, you were betting he would not. So maybe that is why you are a bit pissed off.

          Fabregas IS the “jesus” of this team. Without him (and without SIGNIFICANT reinforcements of 3-4 top quality players) this team is a 10th place garbage squad. You and I know that.

          The ONLY people who dont like a champion, world class player like Fabregas are staunch AKBs who are astonished anybody would want to leave Lord Wenger’s paradise.

          How has he been perpetrating the “circus”. He has told Wenger he wants to leave and kept quiet while the two clubs come to an agreement. What else do you want him to do?

          If YOU want to leave your employer and go work for another company you are creating a circus. Be real.

          ——————————————–
          Fabregas and Arsenal will only play Fabregas in the CL qualifier in lala land. It will NEVER happen. No chance. It does NOT make sense for either party.

          If you (or I) were Fabregas you will NOT agree to play in the CL qualifier and you know it. If you disagree, I will immediately stop arguing with you as I would consider you dishonest.

          ————————————————————-

          Oh so you agree that the employer can terminate you anytime. But you dont like the idea of an employee leaving at will? LOL.

          Again, Fabregas is NOT demanding to leave for free. He has told his employer quietly that he wants to leave. His employer has accepted this and is negotiating a transfer fee.

          What is unreasonable about that?

          Lastly STOP talking as if a “long term contract” is a slave bond.

          Your continued assault on Fabregas is really astonishing. The almighty, purist (but for profit) Arsenal corporation, LLC, Inc, LLP, LTD, Corp raided the Barca youth camp and got a nice freebie. They then used him to maintain top 4 for 6 seasons without making ANY significant investments in
          the squad whilst banking significant profits from transfers alone. Then they will turn around and sell Barca back their youth for a 30-35 million profit.

          Yet, Fabregas is the bad guy here??

          Freaking hilarious really.

    • DaAdminGooner 6 August, 2011 at 18:18 Log in to Reply

      @stag133,

      But let me add this – I want them both gone. I don’t care for how much at this point.

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