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Farewell Cesc, we hardly knew ya.

By Michael Price
August 11, 2011
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Well, this may be a little premature as neither club has confirmed anything “officially” but all signs are pointing to the fact that the deal for Arsenal’s captain, Cesc Fabregas is all but done. If it is true it ends 3 summers of constant spin and speculation and marks a shift in the general makeup of Arsene Wenger’s side.

When the news broke yesterday it was first carried by Guillame Balague (or however you spell his name). Balague is notorious for making very misleading statements so originally this was met with some intrepidation.  However, the story on Fabregas’ transfer picked up steam when the BBC quoted an unnamed Arsenal board member as saying the deal had been agreed upon, it was just going to take a couple days to finalize.

The Deal

The deal looks to be around £37 million (€40 million). Barcelona look set to pony up £29 million up front and £6 million in added bonuses. Additionally, Fabregas is set to forgo about £4 million he would’ve been due from Arsenal. In Fabregas’ current contract he has a clause that pays him £1 million for every year that remains on his contract if he is sold.

One of the reasons this deal took time was Barca’s original insistence that the up front cash be the equivalent of 25% of the deal. Arsenal wanted the up front payment to equal 70% of the deal. The rationale and something confirmed by the BBC’s unnamed board member, is that club wants to immediately turn the £29 million into player purchases.

If you are curious about the add ons and what they equate to, they essentially are performance based payments. What was interesting is that they are not individual player performances but how Barcelona fares in their competitions. In the original agreement the add-ons were £6 million should Barcelona win two Champion’s League titles and one La Liga title. Arsenal knowing that the liklihood of Barcelona winning two more CL titles while probable, would diminish as the squad got older and new players introduced, looks to have negotiated – two La Liga titles and one Champion’s League title. I am assuming that the add-ons would be paid not when all three are achieved but when each of the titles is won. I wouldn’t be surprised if the add ons are the equivalent of £2 million per achievement.

Whether the total fee represents fair value for Cesc is up for discussion. I know for me it seems to fall short but at this point, this saga has turned into a circus – for all parties.  Talking with some Barcelona fans they are agast they took this long, with this much focus on one player they don’t really need and they are stunned by the price. The only thing they are truly happy about is that it didn’t equate to the loss of any players.

For Arsenal fans, well it is as devisive as ever. Some like me are just relieved that if this story is true then the saga is over and we can hopefully bring in other players and focus on the season (that is until the Na$ri saga becomes a circus). Others will be pissed off that Arsene has sold one of our best players (let the litany of “we’ll never win anything” statements begin). Hell, as one of my twitter followers said to me – there is something for everyone, the doom and gloomers, the AKBers, and the pragmatists. There is something for everyone to glom on in this story.

Of course when the deal becomes final we’ll probably do a retrospective on Fabregas. While I was upset at how he has handled this as player who supposedly loves this club, there is no denying what he has meant to this club. He is a special talent and should be regarded as such. Will he ever be recognized as an Arsenal legend. Not likely. His achievements on the club are individual only. Had he turned those individual achievements into club achievements then maybe. But that is for another story.

So What’s It Mean?

If the BBC report is true, Arsenal intend to take the money they gain from the sale of Fabregas (and Na$ri) and turn it into players. Reports from El Mundo Deportivo in Spain, say that a deal for Valencia midfielder, Juan Mata is in place and is just waiting on the Fabregas deal to be finalized in order to do all the requisite cash transfers.

John Cross in today’s Mirror also reports that in addition to Mata, Arsenal will go after two of the primary CB targets of Cahill, Samba, and Jagielka. There is a lot of play around Birmingham’s Scott Dann which has a lot of people scratching their heads. Cross in his article says that Dann is a target but only if Wenger cannot prise away all of his main targets. Additionally, in the German press it seems that Arsenal once again have interest in Werder Bremen and German international Per Mertesacker. At 6’6″ he definitely fits the height bill but not the EPL ready bill.

Frankly, I am of the mind that Arsenal will sign two defenders but it will be a mix of one of the primary targets and one of the lesser targets. The more I think on it, that would seem to mean Cahill and Dann. My preference would be Cahill and Mertesacker but with our trend towards the “re-Englification” of the Arsenal squad, Dann makes more sense.

Why Cahill? Well, for all the obvious reasons.  However, I really think this deal is close because of stories out today that Bolton are in discussions to land Shaun Wright Phillips from Manchester City. I believe that Bolton are a club that needs to sell in order to buy and SWP is going to come with a premium price. Okay not Man City typical prices but a big enough price tag that a sale of a top player would be required to fund it. So I am beginning to wonder if Arsenal have not already negotiated a deal pending the sale of Na$ri and Fabregas. Yeah, it is absolute conjecture and gut instinct. But it is what I do for a living and did in the Navy and I’ve gotten pretty good at putting pieces together (lets all pray I am right on this).

Dann also makes sense for a couple reasons. First Samba is down with a groin injury and Arsene doesn’t need any more injured players – he’s got enough. Second Jagielka does not look like he wants to leave Everton nor do they seem ready to let him go. Mertesacker while tall and strong is also slow. Given how we play the high line, a slow CB is ALL we need (please insert sarcastic tone.) Dann is EPL ready, he is also 6’2″ (1.88 m) and 169 lbs (76.27 kg). I don’t know a whole lot more about Dann (working on it) but I don’t think its a coinicdence that Birmgingham’s dive in their season started about the time he went out with an injury.

The deals for Cahill and Dann would run about £23 million assuming we give in to Bolton’s original fee of £17 million. Which if we used the Cesc money will still leave us with a £6 million profit – thats good business by Arsenal standards.

Na$ri???

With the sale of Cesc Fabregas and the possible purchase of the two defenders that would leave only about £6 million to turn into the Mata sale. Where would fund Mata? Or if we fund Mata with Cesc money how do we fund the purchase of the defenders?  Given what the fees are set to be either could be done in any order and still wind up with Arsenal turning a profit. (it’s all about profits ya know). I don’t know what order the transfers will go in but as I said the talk is all the funds would go to player purchases. If Fabregas is finalized first I would think we would get Mata first as a pseudo replacement (even though he is better replacement for Na$ri).

Anyway, about the Na$ri deal, from what I’ve been told Arsenal have a deal on the table that is the second best deal Arsenal have offered one of their players. The refusal to engage the club by Na$ri is not something new this summer and has actually been persistent since the time when the revised deal was first offered in the winter.  Additionally, I have learned that Arsenal are basically playing City and United off of each other to get a very good fee – that they will then (we hope) turn into player purchases.

City seems the most likely destination. Unless United sense they can’t get Wesley Schneider from Inter. I can’t see United letting City get any better. If Na$ri goes to City, I suspect like all departures from here will have a good first season and tank off. I equate this to what I think is Mancini’s biggest weakness. It’s the ability to nuture and bring talent along.  Na$ri has improved steadily under the tutelage of Wenger. I don’t see that happening at City. My prime example of this is Adam Johnson who as supremely talented as he is, has hit a wall developmentally. And don’t get me started on Mario Balotelli. Mancini does well with players that need little help developing. He wants plug and play players – players that are experienced enough that once they learn his system he has to do little to nothing with them.

Och but if I go down this path, I will not have anything for my farewell to Na$ri piece.

Suffice it to say – that Na$ri and Fabregas will be used as the impetus to make these purchases. That is if you believe an unnamed board member talking to the BBC.

Some other quick goodies:

  • Lot of chatter in the twitterverse and on some NUFC blogs that the unnamed team that Bendtner could go to is no other than the Geordies up in Tyneside.
  • I have a list of our all time money grubbing gooners – so far they are Cashley Gold, Flamoney, Adebuywhore, and Na$ri. Anyone we should add.
  • Serious note, not sure if match will go ahead this week. Spurs v Everton has already been called off because of riots. Still waiting on word from the EPL as to what is happening. We’ll churn out a pre match review tomorrow regardless.
Yeah I know I didn’t do a season preview. Honestly, until the transfer window closes I see no reason to. Anything can happen between now and August 31 to change the scope of any club. For instance if United don’t get a creative central midfielder they may have issues. City have issues with a central midfielder as well and are equally susceptible to speedy teams. Chelsea are older and now Torres is out with a concussion. AVB may be an x-factor for them but he doesn’t play the games.  Liverpool signed 10 midfielders. They may improve on the attack but they are letting in more goals in than a sieve. Arsenal, well we all know whats going on there.
I will do a season preview but I have decided to wait until September 1 when the dust has settled. But fear not Yamaites. The season (hopefully) starts on Saturday. Meaningful football is back. And not a moment too soon.
Until tomorrow . . . Stay Goonerish!!
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  3. stag133 12 August, 2011 at 11:07 Log in to Reply

    So Arsenal have become a feeder club to not only BARCA, now we’re a feeder club to MAN CITY!

    We have sold 4 STARTERS to City in the past few seasons.
    Kolo Toure, Adebayor, Clichy and Nasri?!

    You might not like any or all of these players… but they all were in our STARTING LINE-UP… and we sold them to a Premier League Rival… who are now ahead of us in the standings (based on last year)…

    Pretty amazing stuff.

    • jroybower 12 August, 2011 at 11:49 Log in to Reply

      @stag133, and… what’s your point? feeder club, like its a red currant letter or something

      adebayor can’t make the bench and was loaned out and won’t be playing for them.

      calamity clichy wasn’t frequently crucified on this site, many are happy to see him go. having a replacement would be nice though.

      toure missed big chunk of season suspended on a drug violation. will he make a contribution this year?

      nasri isn’t there “yet”. he’s had 1/2 of a good season in 3 yrs. he can’t/doesn’t bring it every game. of course who in our squad can…

      so did ANY of them make a significan contribution to their season last year that put them ahead of us? will they this year? i guess we’ll find out.

      • stag133 12 August, 2011 at 11:59 Log in to Reply

        @jroybower, hmmmm. might be hard to grasp for you… but we sold 4 STARTERS to a RIVAL CLUB.
        You can say what you want about Ade, but he would have helped us last year.
        You can say want you want about Clichy, but he is BETTER than what we’ve been left with.
        You can say what you want about Kolo, but I’d take him over Squillaci and Koscienly and Djourou ANY day of the week.
        You can say what you want about Nasri, but he’s probably our 2nd or 3rd best player offensively.

        We’re SELLING STARTING PLAYERS to a RIVAL.
        That has and is WEAKENING OUR TEAM…
        ALL of them … if they were still at the club, would make us better right now.

        If we were REPLACING THEM with better players, proven talent, and we were finishing AHEAD of ManCity… then they’d be getting our cast-offs… but as it is now, they’re getting our STARTERS.

        • jroybower 12 August, 2011 at 12:17

          @stag133, ade would have helped us if he wanted to be here. he didn’t so he wouldn’t have been any help even if his talent is/was superior to what we have…again he didn’t do anything for them last year. contribution to ManC last year = 0.

          don’t disagree clichy is better than what we have waiting in the wings. i guess we’ll find out how much pt and what sort of contribution he will make for them. and maybe we’ll get lucky and our players will step.

          i’d rather have kolo too, BUT he was not the ineptus for them finishing above us.

          nasri is one of our best, when he’s on. he’s done some amazing things on the ball, youtube clip worthy. he also doesn’t want to be here so is he going to be our best if we kept him? probably not.

          just sayin’ i wouldn’t get too caught up in the whole feeder club idea. players come and go. so we sell players, that’s what (all) clubs do. it is what is. it’d be nice if we bought some ready made replacements. we don’t. it sucks. it is what is, deal with the fact that you have 0 control over it. will it ever change? some day (i hope).

          do we need to improve? uh yeah. will it happen? i’m not holding my breath.

        • jroybower 12 August, 2011 at 12:17

          @stag133, ade would have helped us if he wanted to be here. he didn’t so he wouldn’t have been any help even if his talent is/was superior to what we have…again he didn’t do anything for them last year. contribution to ManC last year = 0.

          don’t disagree clichy is better than what we have waiting in the wings. i guess we’ll find out how much pt and what sort of contribution he will make for them. and maybe we’ll get lucky and our players will step.

          i’d rather have kolo too, BUT he was not the ineptus for them finishing above us.

          nasri is one of our best, when he’s on. he’s done some amazing things on the ball, youtube clip worthy. he also doesn’t want to be here so is he going to be our best if we kept him? probably not.

          just sayin’ i wouldn’t get too caught up in the whole feeder club idea. players come and go. so we sell players, that’s what (all) clubs do. it is what is. it’d be nice if we bought some ready made replacements. we don’t. it sucks. it is what is, deal with the fact that you have 0 control over it. will it ever change? some day (i hope).

          do we need to improve? uh yeah. will it happen? i’m not holding my breath.

    • jroybower 12 August, 2011 at 11:49 Log in to Reply

      @stag133, and… what’s your point? feeder club, like its a red currant letter or something

      adebayor can’t make the bench and was loaned out and won’t be playing for them.

      calamity clichy wasn’t frequently crucified on this site, many are happy to see him go. having a replacement would be nice though.

      toure missed big chunk of season suspended on a drug violation. will he make a contribution this year?

      nasri isn’t there “yet”. he’s had 1/2 of a good season in 3 yrs. he can’t/doesn’t bring it every game. of course who in our squad can…

      so did ANY of them make a significan contribution to their season last year that put them ahead of us? will they this year? i guess we’ll find out.

  4. DaAdminGooner 12 August, 2011 at 00:08 Log in to Reply

    Theo Walcott, Thomas Vermaelen, Robin van Persie, Kieran Gibbs, Andrey Arshavin and Laurent Koscielny have all been passed fit for Newcastle.

  5. Kiwi 11 August, 2011 at 21:23 Log in to Reply

    It’s fascinating indeed Sachin. Even now, with the dual sale of 2 of Wenger’s core style-shapers seemingly upon us, I see some blaming the Board!! In their eyes it’s never Wenger. There are none as blind as those who do not want to see….

    I like your take on Cesc. As for Nasri, players don’t change their character. Nasri has always taken care of self – his first 2 years were poor – for me. He gave us a good half season last season, and then in the clutch he was nowhere to be seen. On an individual level I’m happy to see him go – and we need to recoup some money on him.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Wenger was TOLD to “sign him or sell him” by Kroneke. If that is what happened, and Wenger was effectively over-ruled then GOOD, about jolly time some balance came into our hi-level decision-making. The other aspect of balance is the tour to the East – ridiculous that we’ve ignored that market for almost 15 years.

    I see Jadson is an Arsenal player on Wiki!! Is that possible?
    Yes, I think so.
    Am I happy if it is? No idea on the player. He’s 27, Brazilian, plays in Eastern Europe – sounds a bit like Dudu. He’s the star of his team.
    One thing is that he typically plays probably about 60% of the games a top EPL player is expected to. So… we’ll see how he adjusts to not only the pace but the duration of the season here. If he comes.

    I could see Wenger relying on a midfield squad of:
    Wilshere, Jadson, Ramsey, Diaby, Song for the 3 ‘middle’ positions.
    To me, that’s weak, Ramsey and Diaby (the likely backups) are likely to be ‘out’ injured or to struggle physically for their own personal reasons.

    I could also see the attack being:
    RvP, Gervinho, Walcott, Arshavin, Chamakh with Rosicky as a floater covering attack and midfield

    So, I wouldn’t be surprised to see only a Jadson-type come in and that’s that for the season. To recap…..

    Out: Bendtner, Vela (loan-to-go?), Nasri, Fabregas, Denilson (loan-to-go), Clichy

    In: Gervinho, Jadson(?) + future younglings

    GK/Defence: ignored

    That’s Wenger’s football economy

    • sachin 11 August, 2011 at 22:36 Log in to Reply

      @Kiwi, Jadson’s page has been changed to not show Arsenal :) I love how sometimes fans change those wiki pages based on rumors. I remember when Nasri was at OM, he showed up as an Arsenal player, only for it to be changed an hour later. Then a few months later he officially signed. A few years ago, a player no one had heard of was showing as having won the european golden player boot but it took almost a day for it be changed. It must have been some fan who decided to award the boot to himself.

      People hate Man City’s money but that money has done a good thing in shownig everyone who some of the true merceneries are. Which is why it makes sense for Nasri to go there. Robinho started that trend I think when he expressed delight at being there but it was all about money. Same with Tevez and a certain Arsenal striker.

      On the flip side to Man City, stand Arsenal, who will always be in a sound financial situation under Wenger but the on-field displays will suffer. Even now, say the odd chance that Wenger does buy 2-3 able bodied players, I cannot see how a team under him can sustain a challenge over a long season or maintain their cool when pressure is applied to them. Under Wenger, things have become such that small teams have become mountains for Arsenal. There used to be Bolton, Blackburn and even Fulham at times over the years but in the last 3 years, Birmigham caused enough grief notably around the 90th minute mark. In 2008, the leg breaking was tragic but the aftermath from that game was Arsenal’s own doing. In 2010, a last minute Almunia mistake cost Arsenal 2 points and then the Carling Cup this year.

      At this point, all I want is to not hear anyone from Arsenal mention the words “mental strength” during the course of the season :) Anyone care to bet that will happen?

    • sachin 11 August, 2011 at 22:36 Log in to Reply

      @Kiwi,

  6. sachin 11 August, 2011 at 20:58 Log in to Reply

    So when the news does become official, it means Arsenal will be one step closer to all those trophies because clearly Cesc was the problem :) The problem was not Wenger or his shortcomings nor the annoying players who collected handsome money for zero or negative returns. I am not referring to any posts here but things I heard locally and read in a few postings. A long time ago, a guy in my city was the only one from the weekly group of fans who said Arsenal would be better off without Henry but he was shouted down. He had valid points which sort of turned out fine in 2008 but in Cesc’s case, the tactical cases for his exit started last season and kept gaining traction. It still shocks me the extent of Cesc’s failures are touted out while the greater failure of Wenger to surround Cesc with functioning players is overlooked.

    Even in the old days of AA most people knew he would return to Barca one day. Yet, it was never meant to be so soon. Arsenal’s failures over the last few years coupled with Barca’s rise have speeded the time of his departure. It is sad to see him go like this with the club in an even greater project building mode.

  7. Kiwi 11 August, 2011 at 19:37 Log in to Reply

    Hey Steve, this is in response to your last post.
    Personally I love your comments and your writing style. Ditto Maz and Vibe….

    Yes, the last few years have been a rotten time to start an Arsenal blog. :-(

    On DAG and his willingness to indulge our varied moods – like you I’m enormously greatful. Thanks DAG.

    My observations of our club and its followers over the last 6 or 7 years have been fascinating. We see that people, no matter what they “say”, inevitably take a position. So supporters are either “for” or “against” Wenger and the way the club is travelling . You aren’t allowed to be a distant observer – you’re either branded a gloomer or an AKB. This then flows through to the blogs and websites, they have to take a position. Do they basically feel ok about things? Or do they feel the club is going the wrong way? As much as they try they can’t remain neutral, everything pushes them to may a call. And because they ‘have’ to post to keep their site alive they have to say something, and they can’t jump back and forth so they have to stick to their ‘position’.

    On Tim at 7am, I’m not sympathetic. That site is right-wing pro-Wenger. Now and again he’ll question why things can’t happen differently but basically he’s picked his stance and has a group of posters that pander to it (presumably because they agree). He’s even gone to the extent of ‘blanking’ comments that don’t sing his tune. Hardly the actions of a guy interested in open and intellectually sound debate.

    We’ve got to this stage in Arsenal’s history where the club is treading water. We have a level (4th) which looks pretty much the height of what we can achieve. But even that (modest) level might now be threatened this season. So supporters are deeply divided, perhaps more divided than ever before. This can only go one of 2 ways, either we win and the support-base reunites, or if we don’t win we await Wenger’s removal. For many of us that have supported Arsenal for many years, including the Wenger years, it’s not easy at all to want him to go. I personally would rather see the guy move up or on with his legacy and achievements respected by all. But that is being steadily eroded.

    On a positive note, I’ve liked what I’ve seen of Gervinho. He looks a good player. If we look at Gervinho-in Bendtner-out I’d call that an upgrade at little net cost.

    Ozi, good on ya mate. I wish I could be upbeat.

    • vibe4arsenal 11 August, 2011 at 20:46 Log in to Reply

      @Kiwi,

      Really nicely stated, kiwi. (And thanks for the shout-out.) Truly, it’s the crowd of regulars here that’s keeping feeling connected to Arsenal at all right now. I’m more interested in following YAMA, sadly, then the Club itself. I hope it changes, but right now count me in among those who hasn’t been less excited excited by the start of a season since, well, I started following AFC in ’98.

      I know, spoiled. But after a pretty consistently thrilling first 7 years as a Gooner, this year will likely be the 7th consecutive season winning nothing. And quite possibly, the most depressing yet. So I’m feeling like I’ve paid some dues on the back end.

      Another year more and Wenger will officially have looked like an average (to below average) manager for as long as he looked like a brilliant one. His real legacy, as opposed to the one projected onto him by the AKB crowd, is coming into clearer focus all the time..

      • ChicagoGooner 11 August, 2011 at 23:30 Log in to Reply

        @vibe4arsenal,
        “I’m more interested in following YAMA, sadly, then the Club itself”.

        Spot on mate, spot on. I feel the exact same way.

  8. Arsenalistul 11 August, 2011 at 18:30 Log in to Reply

    Three starters have left or will leave, a decent CF is also let go, and we need a “backup plan” if some middle of the road players like Samba, Cahill or Jagielka REFUSE to come to Arsenal.

    This board, and this manager, have transformed a winning club into a middle of the road SELLING club with NO intentions of changing soon. At least we don’t see often the owners, but every time AW is regurgitating his feces, in press conferences, the putrid smell gets into my living room 5,000 miles away.

    We just spent 12 mill for somebody graded less then Walcott at that age!!!!

    • DaAdminGooner 11 August, 2011 at 18:43 Log in to Reply

      @Arsenalistul,

      1. So far only Jagielka has said he won’t leave his team. Every other defender linked to us has basically said – come and get me.

      2. No one, not one person has rated Walcott better than AOC at that age. To a T everyone has said AOC is infinitely a more complete player than Walcott was at the age. The only thing Walcott beats AOC at is speed and barely. AOC was such a promising player that every big team wanted him. The problem is he was signed before any of our issues had been addressed. Had deals for a CB and the Cesc/Nasri situation been sorted – then we bought AOC there wouldn’t be one person bitching – in fact everyone would be excited by the signing of an amazing young talent.

  9. David Eshenbaugh 11 August, 2011 at 15:58 Log in to Reply

    So now Wenger is saying there is no need to sign a new defender. Man, I hope he’s joking. I can’t recall having felt less excited about the start of a season.

    Also, the Spurs game is the only cancellation this weekend.

    • stag133 11 August, 2011 at 17:22 Log in to Reply

      @David Eshenbaugh, He’s having a laugh…
      if he doesn’t bring in a defender, what will the club possibly do with the 60 Million GBP we get for Cesc & Nasri?

      Hmmm. I wonder. We would not possibly pocket most of it, and just say there wasn’t enough time to replace them?
      nah.
      couldn’t happen!!!

      I’ll reiterate just for HTS… until we bring in a notable player…
      I am NOT watching a minute of this shit…

    • stag133 11 August, 2011 at 17:22 Log in to Reply

      @David Eshenbaugh, He’s having a laugh…
      if he doesn’t bring in a defender, what will the club possibly do with the 60 Million GBP we get for Cesc & Nasri?

      Hmmm. I wonder. We would not possibly pocket most of it, and just say there wasn’t enough time to replace them?
      nah.
      couldn’t happen!!!

      I’ll reiterate just for HTS… until we bring in a notable player…
      I am NOT watching a minute of this shit…

    • DaAdminGooner 11 August, 2011 at 17:29 Log in to Reply

      @David Eshenbaugh,

      The quotes being circulated in the German Magazine/Newspaper Kicker are old quotes from around January.

      • David Eshenbaugh 11 August, 2011 at 20:22 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner, Hopefully that’s true. I’ve seen the quotes all over the web today. Wenger has proven to be stubborn enough that he may actually think that way though. Wouldn’t want to “kill” the youngsters.

  10. David Eshenbaugh 11 August, 2011 at 15:58 Log in to Reply

    So now Wenger is saying there is no need to sign a new defender. Man, I hope he’s joking. I can’t recall having felt less excited about the start of a season.

    Also, the Spurs game is the only cancellation this weekend.

  11. HighburyTerraceSteve 11 August, 2011 at 13:50 Log in to Reply

    First off, I agree w/ Fred about Mertesacker, though I haven’t seen him play all that much. He looked good enough for Holland at the WC, I thought, and he’d slot into the “old guy” spot at least 3 times as well as our current option (Squill), which is, maybe, about the amount more he would cost….

    2nd, it’s a sad day for what we perceive as the potential of many things….mostly Arsenal built around CF4, and for the player himself. We have all seen some real flashes of brilliance from Cesc, but his time in North London has been marred by injury, a team in a rebuilding flux/funk, and by his desire to get the hell out. While I always thought it would be best for Cesc to win (a bit) as the leader of Arsenal before returning to Barca (as a conquering hero/prodigal son–for really big, Ronaldo type money), it was not to be. At this time all parties are probably best served finalizing what might be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, deals EVER for a (semi-crocked) bench player. A season (or two) getting healthy (while Xavi gets older) may work a real charm…..

    Another perspective, particularly if the Mata deal happens, is that this is another curious move between the two “big” leagues, Spain and England. There are two big clubs in La Liga with seemingly endless pockets of wealth, and they tend to “get their man,” see, for example, Cristiano Ronaldo. It’s spread around a bit more in England but it is interesting to see players like Silva, Yaya Toure and now Aguero trying to ply their trade at City. Most of the United (Pique, Forlan) and Liverpool (Alonso, Mascherano and many others) have only managed limited success in England, but some have landed happily at Barca or Real. Of course, we have our own (failed?) legacy growing with Cesc’s departure (and maybe Mata’s arrival) on top of the Reyes experience. All told, since almost all of my face to face football talk is with Spanish speakers (Mexican-Americans) it’s something that comes up a lot, and this will be another argument (in their favor) that La Liga is tops…..

  12. stag133 11 August, 2011 at 13:44 Log in to Reply

    So, let me get this straight…
    when the club go for the absolute HIGHEST price they can get, and hold out for every penny… at the expense of the team / season… that’s just doing good business… and making a profit is WISE.

    but, when a player wants to cash in on his recent success on the pitch for a big pay-day… as he’s one injury, one knuckleheads bad tackle away from the end of a career….
    well, if he’s leaving Arsenal… he’s “money-grubbing”?
    really.
    Not buying it.

    And in this case, it is 1000% more about Arsenal NOT bringing in players to compete for trophies… its about AMBITION as much as money… to the players going out.

    ——–

    Cesc & Nasri out for 55 to 60 Million
    2 defenders and Mata IN for 40 to 45 Million?

    Yeah. that’s good profit… money grubbing club really….
    now if we were to spend ALL of the money… OK.
    That’d mean we can get Scott Parker? (could get him on loan for chump change)… or a proven DM?
    How about the fact that Liverpool just picked up Enrique from Newcastle for 6 Mill… would have been nice…

    Nasri/Cesc out = Mata & 2 defenders in is NOT equal.
    We’d make many millions in profit, and the team would have lost 2 of its best players… we’d need at LEAST 4 in to attempt to compensate.

  13. Fred 11 August, 2011 at 13:30 Log in to Reply

    Also, if we get in TWO CBs, we can MOVE Vermaelen to LB, so that we dont get to see those two clowns Gibbs, Traore …. and we can then move Djourou to DM.

    Without Fabregas and Nasri, we should focus on moving away from small playmakers to anglicizing the team, strength and grit down the middle AND moving back to pacy counterattacking play.

    With Walcott, Gervinho, Arshavin, Ox and Miyaichi, we now have PACE.

    I would have BOTH Djourou and Song as DMs in front of an EPL battle ready CB combo. Vermaelen and Sagna on the flanks. Wilshere the AM.

    In addition to the two CBs, we need a REAL striker. And Joel Effing Campbell, that tw%t, would not do.

  14. Fred 11 August, 2011 at 13:20 Log in to Reply

    Werder Bremen have played the highest line in the Bundesliga for the last 7-8 years. And the German national team since 2005 has also played a high line, so the idea that Mertesacker is “slow” and can not cope with a high line is not true.

    This is a guy who has gone toe-to-toe with Messi, Ronaldo and co in 2 world cups and 2 european cups and countless CL games. And he STARRED in most of those.

    Sure he does not have Gael “Brainless” Clichy’s pace, but he is 6ft 6in afterall and he has the pace of a 26 year old Sol Campbell – which is more than sufficient.

    For 6 million, he would be an absolute STEAL.

    ——————————————————————–
    If we could get TWO of Cahill, Metersacker, Dann. (Forget about Jagielka, he is just another 5ft 11in “mobile” defender of which we should be tired of by now).

    • DaAdminGooner 11 August, 2011 at 13:23 Log in to Reply

      @Fred,

      The other issue with Mertesacker he got absolutely shredded by Peter Crouch of all people in the Champion’s League.

      • Fred 11 August, 2011 at 13:37 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        I’m betting he didn’t get turned by Crouch’s pace …

        Every great defender will get shredded (if not goals will not get scored). You look at their body of work.

        I remember Kiki Musampa at Ajax in 1995 shredding Baresi and Maldini (both gold standard defenders). And Kiki was our equivalent of Eboue!!!!

        This happens to ALL the top CBs.

  15. veenkevin 11 August, 2011 at 12:15 Log in to Reply

    tell when it ends :waving:

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