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Match Preview: Arsenal v Manchester United: It’s time to believe in this team

By Michael Price
November 9, 2013
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It’s slated as another test. Every match is. Regardless of the outcome of the previous “test” thioe current match is another test of Arsenal’s “title credentials.”

Forget what Arsenal have already accomplished this season. In its infancy still, Arsenal have started off to one of their best starts since they were regularly winning things. Arsenal are putting together a start to the season that fits in as emphatically similar to the way they are closing out seasons.

Wayne Rooney talking this week mentioned how he doubted Arsenal are real title contenders because they fade every March. I’m not sure Wayne has really been watching recently as he’s been too busy bitching about playing time and how mean Sir Alex Furgeson has been to him, but Arsenal aren’t dropping of at the end of the season. They’ve recently been botching it well before the season really got to the meat of the season. As it stands right now, Arsenal are at least in my opinion, better odds to make the top 4 than those whom have been anointed to take out place.  Should Arsenal come out of the tie at Old Trafford  with a win then – well we can discuss come Sunday afternoon.

The thing is no one still believes in this team – outside you, me, the team, Arsene Wenger and all the other gooners. I started seeing some pundits, most notably Garry Neville, say it’s about time we started taking this team seriously. So true, Gary.

Regardless of the outcome, I think this team have proved that things have changed. They’ve proved that they are a better defensive unit than they are given credit for. They continue to prove that they are “rod warriors” as they now have gone 251 days (or something obscene like that) since they last lost away from home. They no longer fold in the face of opposition. At a minimum even if they don’t win, they are going out and fighting to the last whistle. Then they pick up and start over – no long spells of uncertainty.

Really, when you look at it and dissect what’s changed for me it’s easy to see and it’s easy to see the difference between these two teams. What’s difference belief.

How so you ask?

Look no further than the managers. I believe that the team’s current runs play into the players belief in their managers and what they are trying to achieve.

We hear it all the time from the players about Arsene Wenger, “he believes in me,” “he trusts me.” That kind of belief can go a along way for a player. They talk about wanting to perform for him and for the club (it’s supporters.) They openly believe in what Wenger is trying to do at Arsenal – through the style of play, the building a team the right way, the development of young talent, etc. To me more than anything – this is why Arsenal are doing so well. Wenger believes in them and they believe in him. That trust has translated into this success.

Mesut Özil may not be the key reason to support this but by bringing him in, Wenger said to his team, “see I am committed to building a winner for you.” They’ve responded in kind.

Conversely, I am not sure the players believe in David Moyes. For all the talk of the chosen one, he isn’t Fergie. He doesn’t have the CV or the aura about him to give the players that added push. Sure, United will improve. They’ve got too many talented players in that squad by nature that should improve. But the presence of Fergie and what he brought to the table for United helped push them beyond the general mediocrity of certain players in the squad. The squad believed in him.

They don’t – yet – believe in Moyes. He doesn’t know who his preferred lineup is. Players who had Fergie’s trust don’t have his and are forced to sit and ponder whether they should move on (Hernandez and Kagawa.) Fabregas and others that United targeted I don’t think are ever going to come to United until Moyes proves himself. Again, he doesn’t have the pull or aura that Fergie did or Wenger does.

Should Arsenal nip this match, it will do more to build belief in Arsene and Arsenal. An Arsenal win just passes yet another media imposed hurdle. It also likely would make it neigh on impossible for United to get into the title race. As Arsenal supporters we know what losing 4 matches early in the season can do to a squad. It kills of belief, doesn’t it?

It’s been very quiet this week at Arsenal. They’ve gone about their business – they emphatically beat Liverpool. They put on a defensive performance against one of the best teams in all of Europe – without a peep.

For me regardless of what happens, I believe. I believe that this year Arsenal will get the benefits it deserves. It may not be the title. It took Man City two season to get the title after it finally got the squad it wanted. We are finally getting the squad we want. And I BELIEVE, likes the team believes that it is now only a matter of time (sooner not later) that Arsenal will be hoisting silverware.

Now about that next test.

How the match should play out.

For what it’s worth, I still would consider as underdogs. Because I like it that way and we are still going into Old Trafford, place that hasn’t historically been kind to us – even in the premier league era. But since we are talking about belief today, I do believe that for the first time in a long while we can get something from United.

Why? It’s all about the midfield. We have one they don’t. Liverpool for all the talk of their vaunted SAS were overrun in the midfield with better players in Lucas, Coutinho, Gerrard and Henderson, than United are going to present. While the duo of Rooney & Van Persie are probably better up top than SAS, if they don’t have the ball or the service from the middle of the pitch there is very little they can do.

Arsenal will look to dominate the midfield and without Paul Scholes to set that midfield tempo, Manchester United like Liverpool will find themselves chasing shadows.  Arsenal aren’t Barcelona but like the Spaniards under Tito and Pep, they are very comfortable on the ball and retaining the ball. They are probably the best in the premier league at it. They also have a very incisive way of taking that position and going forward with it putting pressure quickly on the back line of their opponent. Given the troubles United have shown in midfield, you can only suspect that they will have trouble with our midfield 5. If that happens it will be a very long day for Rooney and company.

Players to Watch.

Arsenal. Laurent Koscielny. When it comes to shutting down a big name striker one on one, Koscielny is proving to be one of that best at it. He will draw Robin Van Persie this week. Should be a fun one.

Manchester United. Wayne Rooney. I’d go with Ryan Giggs but he likely won’t make the pitch. Wayne felt the need to spend his week yapping about Arsenal. Hopefully he’ll regret that.

Probable Lineups:

Injuries and Suspensions:
Arsenal:  Diaby (knee),  Oxlade-Chamberlain (knee) Podolski (hamstring), Walcott (stomach) Wilshere (ankle – fitness test)

Man United: Wellback (knee) Fletcher (stomach) Evans (back – fitness test) Rafael (ankle – fitness test) Carrick (calf – fitness test)

Leading Scorer:
Arsenal: Ramsey 6

Man United:

Assists:
Arsenal: Giroud 4, Ramsey 4, Özil 4

Man United:

Last Meeting (EPL):
Arsenal: 1

Man United: 1

Last 5:
Arsenal: WDWWW

Man United: LWDWW

Goals For:
Arsenal (away): 2.2

Man United(home): 1.4

Goals Against:
Arsenal (away): 0.8

Man United (home) : 1

Goal Differential:
Arsenal: 13

Man United: 4

Match Official:
Referee: Michael Oliver (Matches: 6. R0 Y25 PK 1)
Assistants: Burt, Long
Fourth Official: Marriner

Broadcast Information:
US: NBC Sports Network 11:00 AM EST

UK: Sky Sports 1 16.10 GMT

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YAMA Prediction:
Arsenal: 2

Man United: 1

Match Facts (courtesy FourFourTwo)

  • Manchester United have lost only 1 of their last 9 league encounters with Arsenal (W6 D2).
  • Arsenal have won at Old Trafford 3 times in the Premier League era and twice went on to win the title (97-98 & 01-02).
  • Robin van Persie has scored in the last 4 league encounters between these sides – twice for each club).
  • Arsenal are the only side to have scored in all 10 of their Premier League games this season.
  • No side has conceded more league goals to Wayne Rooney than Arsenal’s 10.
  • Rooney’s first league goal, his first league goal for Man United and his 100th league goal all came against the Gunners.
  • Aaron Ramsey has scored 6 goals and provided 3 assists in his last 7 league appearances.
  • In their last league game at Old Trafford (November 2012), Arsenal failed to register a shot on target until the 92nd minute.
  • The last time that Arsenal failed to have a shot on target in a league game was September 2003 – also at Old Trafford.
  • No side has won more points from losing positions than Manchester United in the Premier League this season (6). In 2012-13, United won 29 points from losing positions – a league high.
  • Arsenal have won only 2 of their last 16 Premier League games played in the late slot on Sundays, excluding final-day games.
  • Manchester United have won 15 of their last 20 home games.
  • The champions have won 11 of their last 18 home games after leading at half-time.
  • United have won 6 of the last 9 matches against Arsenal and the last 4 at Old Trafford.
  • There have been 3 or more goals in 7 of the Gunners’ 10 away matches against top-half teams.
  • Arsenal have scored first in 6 of their last 10 fixtures against top-half teams and have scored in every Premier League game this season..

Tell us what you think. Are Arsenal for real this season? Can they get something from United at Old Trafford?

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16 comments

  1. jroybower 15 November, 2013 at 12:50 Log in to Reply

    personally i just got tired a couple of seasons ago when stag133 totally dominated all proceedings and any views contrary to his was verboten and ridiculed. i’m happy with opposing views and this forum allows for a very nuanced discussion, but the dialogue bordered on uncivil at times. but hey that’s just me. very appreciative of dags hard work on this site for sure.

  2. DaAdminGooner 11 November, 2013 at 23:33 Log in to Reply

    Hey guys. I appreciate the dilemma. It would be easy to say its a YAMA thing but it isn’t. Comments are down across the board on blogs. The big guys tend to get comments because of who they are. While we get a lot of views and readers each day is not equating to repsonses.

    There’s a couple reasons.

    1. Twitter. Most of the conversations that would happen on blogs previously are now over on twitter. It’s immediate and right now Arsenal has the biggest population of supporters on twitter. The official club twitter account has over 3million followers.

    2. Comments are down because Word Press blogs (like YAMA) have to put in extra measures to prevent spam accounts and spam comments. The biggest drop for me came when I had to instill login checks to make sure I spam doesn’t over take the place. A lot of the reason I had to move to a new VPS server was due to protections it afforded me from spam and hackers. (WP is very vulnerable)

    And finally let’s not forget for a while the level of discourse on YAMA was rather caustic. Heck it made me just focus on writing.

    Most of the old timers are still lurking out there. They read – I can see the IP addresses logged – but they don’t comment. Might be a way to entice them back.

    Personally, I miss Steve and Sess.

    • DaAdminGooner 11 November, 2013 at 23:35 Log in to Reply

      FYI – Carib is on twitter. So am I (with 53k followers) Woo Hoo. Come on in the water is fine.

      Stag – dont you leave.

      And I miss Fred too.

  3. joshuad 11 November, 2013 at 22:18 Log in to Reply

    i feel you, stag. i’m awful grateful for yama but this place is dead compared to what it used to be. i hang around hoping for fortunes to turn but they haven’t, except for the twitter folks. a lot of folks had what seemed to be hatred going for arsenal so pride, makes it hard for them to come back; especially with their early success and wenger still at the helm. steve bailed a while ago. art has always been in and out. occasionally, a few of the old heads drop in but the daily correspondence is completely gone. sux.

    no suggestions as to the way forward to keep it all going. dag, maybe you can send out an email blast, inviting the old heads back and see if the site regains momentum. i know you work so hard on the previews and other articles. we’ll see. good luck.

  4. ChicagoGooner 11 November, 2013 at 17:00 Log in to Reply

    We need wingers. Real ones. With pace. Who’s natural position is out wide.

  5. stag133 10 November, 2013 at 21:31 Log in to Reply

    3 huge games in a week…
    a massive encounter at ManU with Arsenal in 1st place…

    and virtually no posts on the site all week long…

    there used to be numerous posts pre-game… and 20 in the first 5 minutes after the game…

    DAG, you’ve done a pretty great job of keeping the flame alive post Arsenal America’s demise… (though they have been slightly reborn in a different fashion recently)…

    But it makes no sense that there would be no posts at this point…
    A few here and there from a few long timers… but alas, I think its time has run
    its course (for me)… I need to find a different outlet to discuss the club and the games.
    There’s nobody here any longer to communicate with…

    I don’t tweet. Don’t plan to start.
    and I prefer to watch the game, not while I’m online. (as in Game Day Chat)

    I’ll check back from time to time… to see what’s happenin’ here…
    but thank you for all you’ve done over the past few years… it’s been great.

    peace.
    Stag133

    • GTSirep 11 November, 2013 at 18:44 Log in to Reply

      Stagg, Where will you go to?let us know where we can go to chat about the gunners!!! The litmus test shows that we are legit. Also shows that Rosisky has a key tole to play for us still and we need our English wingers back!!

      Also a striker, But Benzema im not so sure about.

      • stag133 11 November, 2013 at 21:06 Log in to Reply

        no idea GTS… but there has to be someplace that people are actually discussing the club… its our job to find it!
        cheers!

  6. stag133 10 November, 2013 at 18:05 Log in to Reply

    looked like the same old Arsenal at Old Trafford….
    not a bad loss, but never really threatened to score, and never got our game going…

    ManU deserved the win, and our streak of scoring in every match is gone too…

    oh well… its going to be a dog fight all year long…
    just found out that ManU isn’t exactly dead yet…
    and RVP scores against us every match… have to give it to him, that
    goal was a beauty…

  7. stag133 10 November, 2013 at 15:35 Log in to Reply

    so, Mertesacker is injured? sick?
    he’s not even on the bench… did I miss something?

  8. ChicagoGooner 10 November, 2013 at 04:53 Log in to Reply

    But really, the single biggest difference between this match and matches past in this fixture is the absence of SAF. Let’s not delude ourselves. For everything right Arsenal are doing this year, I would have about 0 confidence going into this match if that old Scot were in the dugout, despite the way we’ve been playing.

  9. soccerfreak 10 November, 2013 at 03:02 Log in to Reply

    Ashley Young with his diving is the most potent threat we need to guard against at OT. Keeping in mind Ramires’s antics yesterday.

    • ChicagoGooner 10 November, 2013 at 04:50 Log in to Reply

      Yes. Ashley Young is a HUGE diver, just like his Utd forefathers before him Shrek and van Horseface have done against us. At least there’s no Mike Riley this time.

  10. stag133 9 November, 2013 at 22:32 Log in to Reply

    poor grammar makes the post almost unreadable…

    I would take a draw if you gave it to us now, but I think if we can start the game
    well, anything is possible…

  11. ChicagoGooner 9 November, 2013 at 21:40 Log in to Reply

    I’ve been thinking about this match non-stop since the Dortmund game… reliving old memories, watching youtube highlights (winning the title at OT in 2002, the Ruud incident in 2003, Vieira and Keane going at it, and obviously ignoring everything post-2007). It’s been awhile, but this is a fantastic opportunity. Utd have been out of sorts so far this year, but you know they’re going to bring it. Whether or not Moyes is the man for the job up there is irrelevant. These are Fergie’s boys and they’re infused with his spirit- they’re going to go out there and want to win it for him. Arsenal will really, really have to BRING IT. Bring everything. Which they’ve been doing so far this year. Ozil has played in El Clasico so this will be nothing for him. Ramsey is still on fire. Flamini is fit again. Rooney and RVP make a fearsome strike partnership so we’ll need him, as well as Mert and Kos to be on top of their games. Let’s get it done.

  12. IMPACT 9 November, 2013 at 15:48 Log in to Reply

    Prediction: Arsenal 2- Man U 0

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