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Home›General›The Arsenal Week in Review – 7.10.2011

The Arsenal Week in Review – 7.10.2011

By Michael Price
July 10, 2011
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It was supposed to week of movement. A week where we announced a new signing and possibly some departures but in typical Arsenal fashion, neither of these happened. As we mentioned in our profile of Gervinho, the deal could not be announced because of paperwork snafu in France. And while signs are pointing that some deadwood is on its way out – the players are still here. The only real movement was that the whole of the club – save for a few individuals – left for the club’s first Far East tour.

Arsenal are set to play matches in Kuala Lumpar against the Malaysia XI this coming Wednesday and then against Chinese team Hangzhou Greentown next Saturday. The far east tour represents the first time in Wenger’s history he has taken the club out of the comforts of the Austrian countryside. They will however make a stop in Bavaria by playing FC Cologne on 23 July.

A lot of fans were looking at the squad to determine what is ging on in terms of transfers and frankly we’re not any more clear than we were before they left. The team heading on tour are:

Wojcoech Szczesny
Vito Manone
Sebastien Squillaci
Johann Djourou
Kieran Gibbs
Carl Jenkinson
Laurent Koscielny
Andrei Arshavin
Marouane Chamakh
Ryo Miyachi
Armond Traore
Thomas Vermaelen
Bacary Sagna
Theo Walcott
Alex Song
Tomas Rosicky
Jack Wilshere
Denilson
Aaron Ramsey
Emmanuel Frimpong
Samir Nasri
Carlos Vela
Robin Van Persie

Not travelling with the squad are Fabregas, Eboue, and Diaby because of injuries. Also not travelling are Almunia and Bendtner. No reason was given as to why they were not amongst the travelling part but is specualted that there are deals for them to move that are near completion. Almunia has been drawing interest from his native Spain and Bendtner has suitors from Germany and Spain.

Obviously I was a bit surprised to see Denilson included in the squad. Not so much because I expect him to be here when the season opens but because I suspected that based on what he said in May he would no longer be allowed to even appear inthe Red and White.  It’s one thing  to ask for a move its another thing to openly criticize the team (whether right or wrong) openly in public while still a member of the team.

But let not your heart be troubled all signs are that the club are still looking to find a suitor for the Brazillian with the sweet ankle. The problem obviously is his wages. Arsenal’s wage structure is such that even low performing players are wages close to top performers. Someone like Fabregas can make £110,000 a week and someone like Denilson or Diaby make about £60,000.  It’s a wage strucutre based to foster on a collective approach. Meant to make the team harmony important and create less of a hierachial structure. It is the team ethic over the individual. (special thanks to Tim Payton of the AST for jelping me understand this.)

But it also  makes a player like Denilson; who might actually help someone somewhere, unattractive because he carries a larger weekly salary than another club might be willing to pay for an underperfoming player. Still, it seems that for a player who wants out and team that has agreed to let him go – it is only a matter of time (and possibly eating some contract). For you that doubt that Wenger agrees with letting him go, here it is right from Denilson’s 2 June interview in Brazil (rough translation via Google Translator):

“I’ve  had two talks with Wenger. I said I was not feeling well at Arsenal, and it was time to maybe leave for other countries and have a different routine and life.  He agreed and said it would be good for me.  But the reason I am leaving is not because I’m not playing and not because they have not won a title. My desire to leave is because I, Denilson, I was not feeling well there. I believe  another country, learning  a language will be good for me”.

So really at this point it is just a matter of finding the right team and whether or not Arsenal are willing to offset any wages or anything like that. The worst case scenario of course is that  Denilson stays. But, if he stays I could see one of two scenarios; first, like City last year with a lot players on the team they didn’t want, they shipped them off into season long loans, or second, he simply is a seldomly used reserve player. I believe his time is done. All indications are that Wenger believes so too – except for that whole travelling to the Far East thing, of course.

 Of pundits and players

The last few weeks have been bruital for Arsenal fans as we have seen our team battered from every side. Pretty much every paper, sports site and even some Arsenal blogs carried stories about our impending destruction.  That the players wanting to leave were a sure sign that Arsenal was doing its best version of Rome on fire act. Let’s skip for a moment that only one player has left – and he was one player we weren’t too keen on keeping.  The rumours around the others so far have been unsubstantiateed and in some cases even outright refuted by the club. Still, a cyclone of inneuendo and rumour kept hitting the club.

It got even worse this week as two of Arsenal’s own former stars, Paul Merson and Ian Wright seemingly turned on Wenger.

Merson in the Daily Star first:

“I could see them falling so far behind their rivals it could take them years to recover. I dread to think how bad it could get.

“I remember playing at Highbury before Graham when there was only 18,000 in the ground. That could happen again.”

Merson feels that by selling both Nasri and Fabregas it would herald in a new era of dark times at the club as they would be mirred in mediocrity and mid-table madness. While, selling both Nasri and Fabregas would signal a bad omen I don’t belive it is going to usher in some sort apocolyptic era. That is a rather slippery slope that Merson presents here in his tome. For those that don’t know what a slippeyr slope is –

A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.The strength of such an argument depends on  whether or not one can demonstrate a process which leads to the significant effect. The fallacious sense of “slippery slope” is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. Modern usage avoids the fallacy by acknowledging the possibility of this middle ground.

With our debate class over, Merson has nothing to back up the claim that were Arsenal to sell those two players they wouldn’t sign suitable replacements. While Arsenal’s lustre is gone these past six seasons, there are still players who recognize the club, it’s history and what playing under Wenger means. Sure, the winning would add more drawing power. But let’s be real for a moment, this club has never gone after the Kaka’s, Ronaldo’s, or  Schneider’s of the world. Besides Bergkamp, please tell me which player was a ready made world class player when they arrived at Arsenal under Wenger? None. For the most part it is their time under Wenger that made them world class. Something Samir Nasri should remember. Back to the point, there is nothing to say that Arsenal won’t sign players of their liking that can help keep the team keep motoring along and progressing.

Than there is Ian Wright who believes that Arsenal are now becoming Manchester City’s feeder club:

Since when did Arsenal become Manchester City’s feeder club? And with Cesc  Fabregas looking a goner to Barcelona too, it’s very, very sad to see. How  on  earth will Arsene Wenger attract any top players to Arsenal?

It’s come to something when a player like Clichy feels Arsenal is not good  enough for him anymore. He can see that Man City is going to be challenging  for top trophies next season.

Wrighty misses some points in these statements. He leaves out that the players that have gone off to Manceshter City haven’t fared well. We discussed this before – Adebayor, is still looking for a home and was left off of City’s travelling party to the US. Kolo Toure is spending his time  trying to figure out why he simply didn’t try Weight Watchers over a banned substance. And let’s be real, Clichy wasn’t exactly someone we were going to prioritize to keep. He simply makes too many errors. So if giving these kind of players to City implies we are their feeder club. I say we throw in more of our flops.

There are other former Arsenal players who do a fair job of being balanced when discussing their former club. Not only do they see the issues but they also point out the positives in the club. Before you criticise me, I am not calling for anyone to praise the club all the time but, what I am arguing is that Wrighty and Merson know that the current environment around the club is hot. What better way to be read than to be purely negative and play to the fans. Similar to what Usmanov did around the AST meeting with Gazidis. There are some fair criticisms and concerns in the Merson and Wright articles however, failing to discuss all aspects of the and simply hang on the negative to me reeks of playing to the crowd so that people read your stuff and buy your paper.  Objectivity in reporting goes a long way.

The Airline Derby

The biggest story this week in the football world – besides my being named coach of my son’s U8 side, was that Manchester City had secured a sponsorship deal of approximately £400 million from Etihad for both it’s shirts and stadium naming rights. This deal is the largest of any deal in sports history. It dwarfs the deals for Citi Field (home of the NY Mets) and the naming rights for the Madison Square Garden (actually its still old – just renovated).

It’s not exactly an Arsenal story except that the supporters trust has come out to say they are going to implore Arsenal to push UEFA to investigate the claim and deliver an expedited ruling. Tim Payton of the Arsenal Supporter’s Trust was quoted in today’s Guardian:

“The deal at Manchester City stretches credulity to the limit. The numbers just don’t stack up.”

To be sure Arsenal won’t be the only club looking into this. Bayern Munich chief Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, who is also the chairman of the European Club
Association, was quoted in the Telegraph:

“Perhaps they know a trick which I don’t that will allow them to take part in the Champions’ League.”

City contend that the deal represents fair value for their club ignoring the fact that the Mets and Madison Square Garden are more globally known and accepted brands who got far less for their deals. Additionally, Etihad is owned by the government of Abu Dhabi and run by the half-brother of City owner Shiekh Mansour.

City were set to announce double losses over last year’s figures. This deal will help them negate that. What they have done is found the loophole in FFP and drove a  bus through it. With monitoring of UEFA”s FFP only a month in, it will be interesting to see if UEFA have the balls to actually stand up to City and enforce their own rules.

Just two quick funny points here – from hence forth any match between Arsenal and City will  be known as the Airline Derby. And this, as a marketer I also wonder if people really think about branding when they name their stadiums. In Philadelphia the hockey rink now known as Wells Fargo center used to be called the First Union Center. As a professional marketer I shook my head as the anagram FUC. Surely they knew? Well surely City has to know that Etihad roughly translated in Arabic means unity or United! Surely the blue side of Manchester does not want to play in United Stadium?

The wrap up: 

The Daily Mail would like us all to believe that we have entered in to the Suart Downing race. They claim that Arsenal see Downing as replacement for Samir Nasri. I don’t know why I am even reporting this? Maybe because I laugh at the Mail all the time. I really think they write stuff in hopes that one day one of their articles will actually come true.  Earlier in the week, they reported their Nasri to City story was verfied by a report in Sky Italia that said City and Arsenal had agreed to a £23 million fee. Forget for a moment that if we got £23 million for Nasri, I’d walk him to Manchester and promptly sign Mata. Had this been true, would Wenger really have taken Nasri on the tour?

For sure Nasri is on that tour away from agents, away from friends and is left alone with Wenger and what is said are some very strong persuasion skills.  Anyway, I’ll continue to read the Mail and rags like Sport.es because frankly I need the humour in my sporting life.

Okay folks that it for this week’s edition. Until Wednesday when we will try and bring you some coverage of the match in KL.

Until then – Stay Goonerish!!!

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35 comments

  1. highburyterracesteve 12 July, 2011 at 10:14 Log in to Reply

    DAG, More interesting stuff, esp. the AST and shareholder/board stuff….thanks so much for wading through it all so that I don’t have to…..

    Maybe you’re planning to do a larger write-up, but are you getting at an idea here that Silent Stan and the rest of the board are pushing for one more year of “fiscal responsibility” (or whatever you might call it) before doing a big sell out to Usmanov (and Dein)? And, if so, what the hell is AW doing with his various (and, even weirder than usual) statements?

    As many have been pointing out (today’s Arseblog is good on this….), there is no logic in keeping Nasri then letting him walk on a free if real money is on the table. It seems likely that AW is making his statements about “Big clubs don’t sell players, blah, blah, blah”) to both force City to pony up something decent for Samir (or find a bidder from a different league) while also buying time to work deals for some quality midfielders to replace him AND Cesc. Despite statements to the contrary, it seems insanity (long term, at least) to eschew big money and keep players who want out…..

    But then again, maybe there is a logic, sinister as it might be, that you keep them for one last year, do whatever it takes to retain a CL spot (while, as per usual, appearing to compete for bigger prizes) and then blow the whole business out to a new manager and owner next summer, while pocketing (massive) profits for Kronke and kickbacks for the rest. Who knows, maybe you even win one of the domestic cups, so everyone can take a measure of silverfaction before blowing up the squad…..

    Sorry for the conspiracy theory…. Maybe I’ve just been reading too much Fred and Stag…..

    On a more positive note, has anybody been watching the Women’s World Cup? How ’bout those ‘mericans? On the brink of elimination they come back with a 123rd minute goal….You never give up when you’ve got Hope (Solo, their keeper)…..Personally I would’ve been fine if Brazil had gone through as that Marta gal is a whole level above everybody else (and could probably slot straight in for our own little Brazilian)….. Beyond Marta the football isn’t so spectacular (though better than I expected….) but there’s been some (serious) drama, and I’ll be looking forward to watching at least some of semis tomorrow. And If the pks and late goals aren’t enough for you, you might want to google Josefine Oqvist…..

    • Fred 12 July, 2011 at 12:41 Log in to Reply

      @highburyterracesteve,

      One on one, Marta will completely destroy Denilson … and am not even exaggerating here.

      • highburyterracesteve 12 July, 2011 at 13:47 Log in to Reply

        @Fred, What’s her contract status? I think we could use her further forward, you know, after Cesc and Nasri are gone, if our “internal solutions” don’t pan out…..

        • Fred 12 July, 2011 at 15:23

          @highburyterracesteve,

          Technically nothing stops a team from signing a female player – if they wanted to.

          I suspect a player like Marta can hold her own as an average player in Spain or Portugal.

          England will be too rough, but Marta would still beat Denilson like a lil b^&$h.

        • DaAdminGooner 12 July, 2011 at 15:52

          @Fred,

          I’d wager Abby Wamback would make Denilson whimper like a little school girl.

          I have to admit, tha game on sunday was amazing.

      • sachin 12 July, 2011 at 18:28 Log in to Reply

        @Fred, heck Marta could stare Denilson into oblivion, as she could a few other Arsenal players. Seeing her charge down the field might be too much fear for Almunia.

        • vibe4arsenal 13 July, 2011 at 10:25

          @sachin,

          I collectively ‘like’ all of the above Marta making Denilson cry posts.

          This all reminds me of the old SNL Bill Swerski/Da Bears skit, which led me to the following Denilson v. Marta hypothetical…

          Let’s say Marta was only 14 inches tall. And Denilson had three legs. Under those specific circumstances, if a ball was dropped equidistant between them, might he stand a 50/50 chance?

          Serious answers only, please.

  2. DaAdminGooner 11 July, 2011 at 20:20 Log in to Reply

    “Imagine the worst situation – we lose Fabregas and Nasri – you cannot convince people you are ambitious after that,” he said.

    “And even if you lose Nasri, to find the same quality player, you have to spend again the same amount of money. Because you cannot say, you lose the player and you do not replace him.

    “I believe for us it is important the message we give out. For example, you talk about Fabregas leaving, Nasri leaving.

    “If you give that message out, you cannot pretend you are a big club, because a big club first of all holds onto its big players and gives a message out to all the other big clubs that they just cannot come in and take away from you.

    “We worked very hard with these players for years to develop them, and now it’s a time for us to keep them together.”

    Wenger, speaking at the start of Arsenal’s Far East pre-season tour, said Nasri will “definitely” stay despite interest from Manchester City, Manchester United and Inter Milan

    Wenger was also upset that Rosell claimed Fabregas was worth less this summer than 12 months ago.

    Arsenal have already knocked back two offers of £27m and £34m. Barcelona will have to go closer to £40m to get their man.

    “That is disrespectful to Cesc,” said Wenger. “I rate Cesc so highly. For me, he is top, top world class, certainly in the top five midfield players in the world.

    “For us, it’s not a question of money. It is a question of Cesc wanting to be with us. And I think he is torn because he loves the club deeply.

    “We will fight until the last second to keep him.

    “I think Cesc has always been torn between his love for Arsenal, that I feel is really genuine, and, as well – and what you can understand -the desire to play for the biggest team in the world. I think both exist in his head.

    “I am confident, because I hope he will see that there will be no greater achievement for him in his life than to lead this team to success and that it will not be the right period for him to leave.

    • stag133 11 July, 2011 at 23:08 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner, I’m confused. We turned down a 34 Million GBP offer, but he says… “its not a question of money”?

      that makes no sense.
      talking out of both sides of his mouth.

      • vibe4arsenal 13 July, 2011 at 10:27 Log in to Reply

        @stag133,

        I disagree strongly. It’s not his mouth he’s talking out of at all.

    • stag133 11 July, 2011 at 23:08 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner, I’m confused. We turned down a 34 Million GBP offer, but he says… “its not a question of money”?

      that makes no sense.
      talking out of both sides of his mouth.

  3. DaAdminGooner 11 July, 2011 at 16:31 Log in to Reply

    Interesting stuff out of the AST meeting today. But first this – it now looks like Dortmund have wont he Nicky B Special K Sweepstakes.

    From the AST Meeting:

    The current board have been given one year commitments as part of selling their shares

    AST are upset that Stan has been quiet on his intentions since purchasing the shares that took him 69pc

    Usmanov only 400 shares from 30pc holdings. He would have to have a say in certain matters if he reaches 30pc. Usmanov would buy out KSE if the opportunity arises

    KSE is likely only getting good news and isn’t being told of fans actual frustration

    Arsenal are officially sold out for next season as all season tickets have been snapped up.

    The negotiated liscensing deals are paltry compared to others.

    Club is 8th in Europe of the elite clubs in terms of spending power.

    From the AST members survey:
    Outlook for 2011, Extremely Optimistic 8pc, Optimistic 35pc, Unsure 20pc, Somewhat Pessimistic 20pc, Pessimistic 11pc

    Are board in touch? Yes 8pc, Slightly but need for improvement 57pc, Not in touch 35pc

    51pc of respondents feel they do NOT feel a stronger sense of belonging to the club

    69pc of respondents say they would like to see David Dein return to the club

    Does AW football philosophy take precedence over winning trophies, 69pc believe so

    2011 team performance 2pc Highly Satisfied, 22pc Satisfied, 39pc Slightly Satisfied, 37pc Unsatisfied

    78pc of respondents believe KSE should be more transparent on how his finance was raised

    70pc respondents believe Usmanov should be invited onto the Arsenal board.

    Most survey respondents want immediate desire of KSE to be communicated its vision for the Club

    51pc want self sustaining model, 38pc investment in club by major shareholder

  4. DaAdminGooner 11 July, 2011 at 14:42 Log in to Reply

    For those who were wondering:

    Bendtner is linked to Borussia Dortmund and Sporting Lisbon.

    Almunia is linked to the U12 Girl’s team in Levante. Sorry I juest, I had heard Valencia. But could be wrong, it is Spain though where he would go.

    Not entirely sure I am happy with our LB situation. I admit you have to give Gibbs the run out to see if he is able and can actually last. Traore, watched some of him at Juventus and was completely like – eh so what.

    Vermaelen at LB would be fine if someone promises me 2 not 1 CB signing.

  5. stag133 11 July, 2011 at 12:55 Log in to Reply

    Wenger has said that Bendy and Almunia aren’t on the trip because they are working on transfer options, and he couldn’t name the clubs.
    That’s heartening.

    However… he did say that we are ALL SET at LB with Clichy out, because we have Gibbs, Traore and Vermaelen can play there is as well.
    CLASSIC Wenger.
    You’ll be remembering Clichy fondly if we go with Gibbs and don’t get a proper CB pair…

    But to be expected… sell a starter, and say… oh we are all set at that position!

    You can’t win without proper defense. It just doesn’t happen.
    and DAG, yes… Wenger brought in Henry, Vieira, etc… and helped make them the players they became…
    but he DID INHERIT the DEFENSIVE STALWARTS that WON TITLES from Graham, and we’ve never come close to replacing them…

    The defensive ineptitude with Wenger’s crew at the back is something that’s been recurring every single season… that’s 100% on him… and includes a PROPER #1 keeper.

  6. stag133 11 July, 2011 at 12:55 Log in to Reply

    Wenger has said that Bendy and Almunia aren’t on the trip because they are working on transfer options, and he couldn’t name the clubs.
    That’s heartening.

    However… he did say that we are ALL SET at LB with Clichy out, because we have Gibbs, Traore and Vermaelen can play there is as well.
    CLASSIC Wenger.
    You’ll be remembering Clichy fondly if we go with Gibbs and don’t get a proper CB pair…

    But to be expected… sell a starter, and say… oh we are all set at that position!

    You can’t win without proper defense. It just doesn’t happen.
    and DAG, yes… Wenger brought in Henry, Vieira, etc… and helped make them the players they became…
    but he DID INHERIT the DEFENSIVE STALWARTS that WON TITLES from Graham, and we’ve never come close to replacing them…

    The defensive ineptitude with Wenger’s crew at the back is something that’s been recurring every single season… that’s 100% on him… and includes a PROPER #1 keeper.

  7. stag133 11 July, 2011 at 09:31 Log in to Reply

    Woot Woot.
    We officially signed Gervinho!

    Cool.
    Now lets sell a few players, and bring in 3 more.

    Get a move on it! :yes:

  8. Fred 11 July, 2011 at 00:13 Log in to Reply

    @ DAG:

    Well, with Fabregas, this shit Wenger squad has always MADE the top four. I am saying we won’t without him and Nasri. So your entire first paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

    Maybe we have not won with them in the squad because our fucktarded manager has built a shit team? Just maybe.

    I am not really a big fan of Nasri (nor RvP for that manner) BUT I know for sure they are a level above the other players we have. Fact.

    Your paragraph about Chelsea is just insane. They were ABOVE us last season. They have been above us for the last SEVEN seasons and counting YET you are pointing fingers at them?? Hilarious!

    Pointing fingers at Man U is just plain ridiculous. Sorry. Nothing personal, but that argument point does not hold water even amongst staunch AKBs.

    I remember you pointing fingers at Chelsea and Man U in February. And arguing relentlessly with me, putting up some “stats” on how we were “better than ’em”. How did that turn out?

    Keep on pointing fingers, DAG. And keep on believing. Nero Wenger NEEDS this to keep his scheme going on.

    But don’t attack legends like Wright and Merson for speaking their opinion rather than hewing to a ridiculous defending of a repeatedly FAILED Wenger plan.

    PS: Remember when I first told you that Nasri would definitely leave this summer?? In February, right before the CC final. You blasted me for saying that. LOL.

    • DaAdminGooner 11 July, 2011 at 10:49 Log in to Reply

      @Fred,

      Is he gone Fred? Last time I checked he was with the team in Malaysia? With a manager who just came out today and said he is not selling and that he’ll be with the team next season.

      • Fred 11 July, 2011 at 11:34 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        Since when has what Wanker said mattered? 99% of s%^t that comes out his mouth are either spin or flat out untruths.

        Just days before Eduardo left, he was swearing Eddy was going nowhere. Same for so many other players.

        The ONLY reason Nasri is still here is because Wanker really doesn’t want to sell him to an EPL team. Nothing else. But if no bid from outside materialises, come August, Wanker and his board of grubby misers would take the 22 M rather than let him go for free.

        Till then Nasri, doesn’t need to do a thing. Ofcourse he needs to get into match fitness. He is not going to decline a pre-season training. He needs to be up to speed for his new team when it finally happens.

        He holds ALL the cards.

        Take off your rose-tinted glasses. I know it is shocking to you that a player would want to escape the Wenger asylum.

      • Fred 11 July, 2011 at 11:34 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        Since when has what Wanker said mattered? 99% of s%^t that comes out his mouth are either spin or flat out untruths.

        Just days before Eduardo left, he was swearing Eddy was going nowhere. Same for so many other players.

        The ONLY reason Nasri is still here is because Wanker really doesn’t want to sell him to an EPL team. Nothing else. But if no bid from outside materialises, come August, Wanker and his board of grubby misers would take the 22 M rather than let him go for free.

        Till then Nasri, doesn’t need to do a thing. Ofcourse he needs to get into match fitness. He is not going to decline a pre-season training. He needs to be up to speed for his new team when it finally happens.

        He holds ALL the cards.

        Take off your rose-tinted glasses. I know it is shocking to you that a player would want to escape the Wenger asylum.

        • DaAdminGooner 11 July, 2011 at 12:02

          @Fred,

          Actually I don’t find it shocking a player wants to leave. Players want to leave all the time. They have left before and we’ve been fine. The club must always come first.

          Where you and I see different is that Wenger’s past successes have bought him enough credit to try and fix things this season. I like many still believe he has it in him. If he doesn’t turn it around and doesn’t address the deficincies, like I said in previous remarks, I will be the first in line saying its time to go.

          However, I am willing to let him fix it. Yes, Fred I know you don’t I don’t think anyone here needs to be reminded of how you feel – we read it every day.

          People who argue Wenger only won with left of remnants of George Graham’s team kindly forget that Wenger made the likes of Henry and Vierra and others who were the back bone of this club, That wasn’t George Graham it was all Wenger.

          It’s very easy in our current woes to throw around terms like Wanker or Nero and decry everything that has gone wrong. It’s harder to remain objective and find that even in trying times there are positives to be had. I have always maintained a line of criticism when it is warranted and praise when it is merited. It’s all about context Fred.

          You can say I look through Rose tinted glasses all you like. I disagree. I merely am not going to get into a trash talking diatribe every time someone mentions something positive about the club.

          Oh and just an FYI re Nasri: there have been NO formal offers , there has been one request to see if he was available from United. They were told no. But there is interest from outside the EPL – from Italy.

        • Fred 11 July, 2011 at 14:42

          @DaAdminGooner,

          BS, how come our STAR players are ALWAYS on the move? Every single YEAR? The only competent players at the club who dont want to move have bad injury records.
          Sorry, you can keep your head in the sand all you want, but no other major club has such a high turnover of quality players.

          Vieira has said on several occasions that Wenger did NOT teach him about his game. Wenger gives the players complete freedom. He said Adams, Bould, Keown and Dixon were pretty much his tutor. Would Vieira blossom in this BS setup we have going on now?? Hell NO! Who would he learn from? Koscielny? LOOOL!

          Henry benefited from playing beside Bergkamp and from playing in a solid setup. He would not be able to play in this monkey turd of a team that is 100% Wenger’s doing. Sorry.

          Wenger inherited the backbone of his team and would have won NOTHING without the Graham structure.

          He was a NOTHING manager before he came to Arsenal and his just reverting to his average. He did the same in two of the three clubs he managed previously. Even managing to relegate one of them for good measure. Olala!

          You only cry for nonsensical issues like “context” when the opinion is different from the Wenger ass kissing one.

          Sorry, for most of us, when we see sh&t, we just call it s%^t. How do you add context to that???

          As I said, take off the rose-tinted glasses. Wenger is NOT Arsenal in anyway whatsoever. He is just a random African Dictator type. He requires devotion and its people like you that enable him.

          PS: Nobody puts real solid offers on the table anymore. “Offers” on letterheads and all, faxed to the selling club are a thing of the past – and died slowly with the rise of the internet age. Now its all mostly a system of informal back and forths.

          And all that does not change the facts. Nasri would be gone this summer. He knows he will not win anything ever under Wanker and wants out.

          If Wenger can’t even convince young Frenchmen to believe in his bullcrap plans.

        • DaAdminGooner 11 July, 2011 at 14:57

          @Fred,

          Fred, again you ignore that I never said Wenger was Arsenal. As a matter of fact I’ve always said quite the opposite, what I did say is that where you and I differ is I believe he has done enough to warrant trying to fix it – this season.

          Sorry Fred, someone had to get those players to perform, they weren’t performing for Ricoh and in the end they didn’t perform for Graham. They did the business for a while sure but they became stale. It is Wenger who changed the approach to their game that got them back to be winners. Wenger did that, not George Graham.

          You are correct on Vierra but it is Wenger who established the environment Vierra could shine in and also identified him as a talent. Henry has always given Wenger the praise for his development as do a lot of our other star players.

          Fabregas and Nasri are who they because of their time under Wenger. Jack Wilshere is who is because of Wenger.

          Sure they al have uncanny talent but a manager puts in place a system that nurtures and develops that talent. Not some old time back bone that doesn’t exist any more the manager does.

          You so want to go back to the old days – well I got news for you Fred – even when Wenger goes – the old days won’t be going on. Arsenal and English football have moved ahead while you’ve stayed behind.

          As to your PS that’s BS. You have to lodge a formal bid – submitted in writing for a player it is part of the process. Sorry they actually have a legal process for it Fred that much is not in doubt.

          I will gladly tell you which charity to lodge that $50 bet we made back in February. When Sept 1 comes and Nasri is still here.

        • Fred 11 July, 2011 at 17:43

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Well, any Arsenal future without Wenger will be better than the draining bullcr&p we have now.

          As for your response to my PS, Go ask around, real and formal offers are NOT common. Most of it is now verbal back and forths. No legal document offers! Go ask around.

          That is why Man U can say they have made an offer, while Arsenal can say no formal offer has been made. It was probably a verbal or Blackberry offer that has no legal standing. And that is the MOST frequent type of “offer” in the last decade. Its is an artefact of the modern era of emails, blackberries, instant messaging, widespread mobile phone uses, etc.

          Dont let all this deviate the argument though.

          There is NO need to “balance” an anti-Wenger argument.

          A spade is a spade. And Wenger is a big, egomaniac who is more concerned about his BS plan than the club.

  9. sachin 10 July, 2011 at 23:59 Log in to Reply

    I see you have adopted my Airline derby term there DAG :)

    • DaAdminGooner 11 July, 2011 at 10:26 Log in to Reply

      @sachin,

      Absoluitely It was a great remark I had to use it.

      • sachin 11 July, 2011 at 15:31 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner, thanks. Given the rivalry between Dubai & Abu Dhabi, I am curious to see if there will be some weight to those ties which will live up to a derby tag, which is what I had in mind originally. But even if there is, I am not sure how much would filter out of UAE. Although right now, the money for those naming rights has understandly grabbed the headlines.

  10. stag133 10 July, 2011 at 19:41 Log in to Reply

    I think Merson and Wright make VALID points.
    You took about 2 sentences from Ian Wright’s diatribe… I posted most of it previously, and he’s WRIGHT on the money! (imho)

    Why would u drive Nasri to the Airport for 23 Million from City?
    Seriously, I simply do NOT understand why Arsenal fans care at all about HOW MUCH we get for a player?
    a) ITS NOT OUR MONEY
    b) ARSENAL DON’T SPEND IT ON PLAYERS COMING IN

    so, we lose one of our better players, and we can say… wow, good bit of business, eh?

    Denilson is on the trip … just wonderful… and Rosicky too?

    Yeah… just another AWFUL Summer for Arsenal so far… falling further and further behind every year… and doing fuck all about it.
    I won’t even watch pre-season matches if don’t do something … hello, I won’t even watch them in the regular season unless the are on Fox or ESPN.

    PATHETIC off-season.
    Absolutely re-iterating exactly why Wenger MUST GO. :skeleton:

    • DaAdminGooner 10 July, 2011 at 20:37 Log in to Reply

      @stag133,

      Stag if you were to read what I wrote fully – I did say there is some merit to what Merson and Wrighty said. However, they offer no balance. That was my point.

      I would drive Nasri to the nearest airport or bus station for that amount because at 1 year left on his deal – thats an absolute steal.

      • Fred 10 July, 2011 at 21:09 Log in to Reply

        @DaAdminGooner,

        Why should there be “balance” in an argument when one side is completely preposterous and wrong?

        • DaAdminGooner 10 July, 2011 at 21:13

          @Fred,

          Because you say it is, doesn’t make it so. You could argue the other side is just as narrowminded and wrong.

        • Fred 10 July, 2011 at 21:48

          @DaAdminGooner,

          Am sorry if it offends you that people call a spade a spade. Why on earth should Wright or Merson be just a little bit more “positive” when they have no reason to be?

          If Fabregas and Nasri leave without replacements, we are OUT of the CL. No question about that. Those two are not aging stars on the decline. They are top, top quality players who havent even reached 25 yet. Without them we will limp thru the first few months of the season, until RvP crocks himself then we will end 11th.

          We have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve ourselves!!!!! And this is more than TWO MONTHS since the season ended!!!

          Sorry, a spade is a spade. The truth is bitter. No need to sugar coat anything so as to add a misguided and insincere “balance” to an argument.

          As it stands currently anybody trying to spin things positively about Arsenal does not have a leg to stand on. And you know it, DAG.

        • DaAdminGooner 10 July, 2011 at 22:31

          @Fred,

          How do you know Fred? We certainly haven’t done these past 6 years with Cesc Fabregas IN the squad and the past 3 years with Nasri in the squad.

          Nasri has a good half season and he is suddenly the be all and end all.

          I say this not to diminish their contributions or their talent but the fact of the matter remains we haven’t won with them in the squad so what changes?

          Fred can you tell me what Chelsea have done to improve themselves? Outside of a manager of course – what players have come in? How Man City? Are you telling me Clichy is an upgrade to a team that has no creative midfielder? What about Spurs what have they done? Oh and I guess Ashely Young and Henderson are massive improvements over at Man United? They are additions but they don’t add anything United they didn’t already have.

          FACT of the matter Fred is that noone has done anything signiificant in the transfer market to improve themselves. Sure Liverpool are trying to regain that 50’s feeling with mediocre to average English talent that know how to lump the ball to Andy Carroll. What’s Suarez thinking about the sudden aerial brigade that King Kenny is building? That’s right he’s come out and said he dreams of playing for Barca.

          And I disagree – objectivity and balance makes the argument more compelling.

          Its not about spinning positive Fred, its about being honest – that for every argument there is another side that should be acknowledged.

          Sorry you don’t like it Fred.

        • stag133 10 July, 2011 at 23:59

          @DaAdminGooner, DAG, I don’t agree with your assessment of what other teams have done at all.
          WE have done NOTHING… unless Carl Jenkinson is the next PELE.

          United won the league, and HAVE improved… the players they got would DEFINITELY help us, that’s for sure.

          Liverpool, I think they’ve improved.

          A MANAGER … might the most important person at a football club, so Chelsea getting a new manager is MASSIVE in my estimation.

          ATTEMPTING to get better deserves CREDIT.

          Doing FUCK ALL after you were SHIT for 3 months… is INSANITY.
          This all with 2 of our best players possibly leaving the club.

          How do you possibly defend that inactivity in any balanced manner? beyond me.

        • Fred 11 July, 2011 at 00:12

          @DaAdminGooner,

          No need to get testy, DAG.

          Well, with Fabregas, this shit Wenger squad has always MADE the top four. I am saying we won’t without him and Nasri. So your entire first paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

          Maybe we have not won with them in the squad because our fucktarded manager has built a shit team? Just maybe.

          I am not really a big fan of Nasri (nor RvP for that manner) BUT I know for sure they are a level above the other players we have. Fact.

          Your paragraph about Chelsea is just insane. They were ABOVE us last season. They have been above us for the last SEVEN seasons and counting YET you are pointing fingers at them?? Hilarious!

          Pointing fingers at Man U is just plain ridiculous. Sorry. Nothing personal, but that argument point does not hold water even amongst staunch AKBs.

          I remember you pointing fingers at Chelsea and Man U in February. And arguing relentlessly with me, putting up some “stats” on how we were “better than ’em”. How did that turn out?

          Keep on pointing fingers, DAG. And keep on believing. Nero Wenger NEEDS this to keep his scheme going on.

          But don’t attack legends like Wright and Merson for speaking their opinion rather than hewing to a ridiculous defending of a repeatedly FAILED Wenger plan.

          PS: Remember when I first told you that Nasri would definitely leave this summer?? In February, right before the CC final. You blasted me for saying that.

          LOL.

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