There is no Van Persie in TEAM

It’s been 88 years since Arsenal had been able to open a season with three consecutive clean sheets. It’s also only the second time since 2007 that Arsenal have won at Anfield. Taken together, I certainly see a lot of improvement in this young season.
A lot of the talk today in the press won’t be about Arsenal. Well it will sort of. More to the point it will be about Arsenal’s ex forward Robin Van Persie and his hat-trick and missed penalty for Manchester United. Having watched both games I am now of the mind that this move has really worked out for both teams.
First let me say, of course I’d rather have the Premier League’s prolific scorer on THIS team and not plying his trade for United. However, what I think moving him on has done is actually removed a player for whom everything Arsenal did was centered on. Every play Arsenal made was about getting Robin Van Persie the ball.
Now, in my opinion we seem more likely to work together as a unit – dare I say a team. Everyone is working towards defeating the opponent. There were convincing performances all across the squad yesterday and each member of the team stood out in their own way.
Of course the play of Cazorla and Podolski stands overall. Their nifty combinations got both Arsenal goals. But beyond that, Podolski who I thought started off slowly, came into the game and from the time he scored his goal to the time he was taken off he was too much for Liverpool. He was solid both offensively and defensively especially as Kieran Gibbs made some positional mistakes that left the left side open.
Not enough can be said about Cazorla. Wenger said he has “soft feet” and the smile that came across his face when asked about post-game tells you all you need to know about Arsenal’s new creative force.
One of the other major stand-outs of the day was the much maligned Abou Diaby. We’ve often been told by those in France, around Arsenal and elsewhere that were Diaby fit he would automatically be one of the first selections on the French national team without question. For many Arsenal fans that seemed a hard thing to link a to player who had never lived up to his promise (this story sound familiar.)
Diaby has now had a run of three games. And in that he has already logged more time than he had all last season and looks more impressive each time he has gone out. I am constantly amazed at how a man so big and seemingly lanky can have such good footwork. You just don’t expect that from someone his size. But Diaby went out yesterday and had his best performance in an Arsenal shirt in quite some time.
I have to admit to being one to criticize Diaby but I also have to admit that I had always hoped that he would come good and be the player we were told he could be when signed from Auxerre. I am hopeful he can stay fit. He bossed the midfield yesterday and there was very little Liverpool’s midfield three could do to touch him.
Even defensively we were solid. Jenkinson still has a long way to go to being a first-choice RB but he has showed in these first 3 games that he is learning and improving. He was facing a very hard duo to deal with in Enrique and Sterling. But in most cases he was always there to deal with the threat. He has pace and for the most part his crosses are pretty solid – yesterday though was not a good day for crossing from either side. Also to note for Jenkinson he had six successful tackles without conceding one foul.
Admittedly I was worried that Mertesacker would have trouble with Suarez and the early signs seemed to be pointing out that I was correct to think that. His yellow came early and meant he was under threat for the rest of the game but the BFG stood tall had a game saving tackle in the box. Sure Liverpool fans will argue for a PK but Mertesacker got all ball and the player went down under their own momentum. He even had some great one on one moments and was really outstanding for the rest of the game.
There are highlights from each player but the real point of even just highlighting these players is that by removing Van Persie, Arsenal are going to need a full on team effort to accomplish something. I know it sounds all lofty and stuff but if they work as a unit like we saw on Sunday then the future could be bright for this new version of Arsenal. While I would’ve wanted more depth for the squad brought in on Friday there surely is talent enough in this squad and from what I’ve seen of action so far in the season there isn’t one team that makes you fear any of them.
A while back I talked about the Ewing theory which just to remind you is:
A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).
That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) — and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.
As the Ewing theory contends and as Arsenal have shown, the club are bigger than any one player and they can do fine without said marquee player. Of course its all contingent upon the players that are added and the players that remain stepping up and filling the void. Without the crutch that Robin Van Persie presents to the team, players will have to work together and be forced to step up.
At the end of last season we weren’t that bad when RvP went on a dry spell that ended on the last game of the season. What really hurt was the absence of Arteta.
For the most part we all wanted Arsenal to keep Robin Van Persie. He was just great for this team for so many reasons. But to sit here and suddenly think that Arsenal will cease to exist because Robin will have moved on is ridiculous and the doom and gloom being spilled from fan girls and boys, pundits and opposing supporters is unfounded and frankly over the top already.
Now, I am not under and illusion that aren’t problems to fix. We didn’t suddenly become world beaters by showing marked improvement. But there are enough encouraging signs including the fact that the defence is showing signs of being solid as a unit when its missing Sagna on the right and Szczesny between the sticks. We will get tested no doubt. When we face off against Tevez and Van Persie we will get tested. But whereas in the last few seasons we may have worried incessantly about inability to defend and present competition to the so-called ‘title contenders’ I am hopeful because for the first time in a long time I see a team on the pitch and not a collective of talented individuals.
Olivier Giroud
Just as easy as it is to get carried away with the improvement in Arsenal’s defense, it’s equally as easy to find fault with Giroud’s inability to find the net.
Still on both cases I urge patience. The only fault right now with Giroud’s game is his finishing. Obviously for a striker that is a worrying issue. But his movement into the box is so good. There are definitely signs that he has what it takes. He holds the ball up well, good first touch, what he is just not doing is putting the end product together.
You do get a sense that if he finds the back of the goal that it will mark a great weight off his back. Remember it took Henry and Bergkamp a few games before they were able to get off the mark. As a matter of fact Henry opened his account against Southampton coincidently Arsenal’s next opponent.
I think in time Giroud will prove his worth. I don’t think he’ll match the proficiency of Van Persie. But it’s not needed if the distribution of goals is spread around the team. It was nice to see the two other new charges get their goals. Giroud is next – hopefully.
The Bould Effect
Some would likely argue that Sunderland and Stoke aren’t very good tests of a defence since their attacking prowess leaves something to be desired. So facing off against Liverpool was in some people’s mind the first test of Arsenal’s ‘new look’ defence. In my opinion they did quite well.
Liverpool had a lot of possession – 53% of it in fact. However, for the most part they lacked the creativity to get anything by Arsenal. And when they did get some pressure, Arsenal were there collectively to defend. Of the 8 first half shots Liverpool had, none were on target. Arsenal simply did not give the Liverpool attackers the space, time or channels to get a clear shot on goal.
Additionally, when presented with 1 v 1 situations its was primarily the Arsenal defender that came away with the better of the encounter. Arsenal were aggressive but not overly so. The worked as a unit and the very high line seen so often was not as prevalent which negated any chance of getting behind Mertesacker and Vermaelen.
All this is likely down to the appointment of Steve Bould who was one of the inherited back line Wenger got when he arrived 16 years ago. People are discussing which was the best signing of the summer for Arsenal and at first blush it really looks like it was Steve Bould.
There will be further tests for the team and the revamped defence. Obviously someone will score and shock of all shocks we will lose games. But overall the effort is there and right now Arsenal are the only team to not concede a goal and look wobbly at the back. A tad bit different then the start of last season when we were the one team that looked to concede goals every time an opponent had the ball.
Well, we head into our first international break of the season. We’re hopeful that everyone comes back healthy – especially Diaby.
Stay Goonerish!
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Just when we were getting down about Diaby, a bit of good news. Van Persie limped out of the Dutch game, hahahahahaha.
@Kiwi,
lol
I need a favour from all YAMAers:
Doing a short survey (about 30-60 seconds worth of your time). It is football related – specifically fantasy football – and I’d really appreciate anyone who can contribute along with any comments/opinions/ – even if you do not yourself play fantasy football.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QH8XV7W
n.b.- DAG, if this is in-approprate, I apologize. Please take it down.
@OziKenyan,
@ Stag
Thank you Stag, much appreciated
Some early reports are saying Diaby is out of the France v Belarus game. There is the possibility this is a little bit of nothing, just a tweak, nothing to power up about. But with Diaby you get this sinking feeling. If this does sideline him for a few Arsenal games you really gotta wonder.
His ex-manager Guy Le Roux, the Auxerre icon, recently gave a quote that will stand forever. What is it about the French? No one puts together words as poetically. He said of Vassiriki Abou Diaby…
‘Abou is a gift of nature for a coach and all lovers of football. Unfortunately, he lacks the strength in his lower limbs. He is mounted on two matchsticks with a spot of glue in the middle. The good Lord gave him immense talent, but he is also quite fragile.’
We all want this time to be different. We want Diaby to continue his rise from the ashes and to dominant the Arsenal midfield in 2012-13, starting 30 EPL games, and being chased by Barcelona. Only for Diaby to give the Blaugrana the finger and sign an extension with Arsenal. That dream just looks a bit like Diaby… toothpicks with a spot of glue in the middle.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Kiwi, if he has a good season, someone will come in for him, and he’ll be sold just like the rest of them…
and the fans will all say we stuck by him through all is injury issues, and he had one good season and left.
where’s the loyalty!!
:)
same thing for someone like Vermaelen… he might have a monster season, and then someone big will come after him, and we all know, that Arsenal will sell ANYONE if the price is right.
@stag133,
At least you’re not losing any sleep over it
Guys.
Any thoughts on Malouda? Loan to us for extra cover like Benayoun last season?
@tAi,
Meh. Woudn’t be disappointed either way. His game’s taken a sharp turn downhill since his burst of form when Ancelotti was manager but he’d provide some experienced cover and probably wouldn’t need time to settle in.
He just seems to me the type of player who relied a lot on power and strength that might not all be there anymore.
@OziKenyan, once again, agreed. malouda is not a spring chicken anymore.
@tAi, yuk, meh
Not a lot to talk about so just to beat the Sagna drum a little. In his 5 seasons at Arsenal he’s twice been in the EPL team of the year. And he was in the French equivalent before joining. So…by my reckoning he’s a top quality FB.
The leg breaks he sustained both happened in the same season and despite this he still started 20 EPL games last year. And if he returns in the next month or so he’ll be able to maintain his 30+ game a season average.
As for the suggestion by some on other sites that he should just keep his views to himself. On the face of it – yes. But you need to see this in context. Sagna NEVER says a word out of place for 5 years, and gives stella service. During this time he’s seen almost every high profile player leave, let’s recap…
Van Persie, Song
Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy
Gallas, Eduardo
Adebayor, Toure
Hleb, Gilberto, Flamini, Lehmann
I think he’s got a point. There aren’t too many of that lot who we pushed out the door. And even for those we did push, did we upgrade them?
Given we’re talking about players who left with a reputation, the other side of the coin is how many came in with any type of reputation during that same period? My list goes…
Podolski, Cazorla
Mertesacker, Arteta
none
none
Arshavin, Nasri (who then left)
I’ve intentionally left out players we signed who are perfectly good additions but nevertheless didn’t come with a sense of ooh aah (Vermaelen, Koscielny & Giroud).
So you can see that Sagna is only speaking the truth and it didn’t come across to me as him ‘having a go at the club’. He’s just expressed a little bit of his frustration.
For the last 5 years we’ve leaked talent, and replaced it largely with youth (long-shots) and unpolished stones. There is a sense this has changed, but the danger is that Wenger continues to play it too tight, too much risk. Two or three more signings (in the 10-15m range) may well allow us to seriously compete and stop the next generation of leavers from developing their dissatisfaction.
@Kiwi,
Agree entirely.
@Ty
Even if Sagna provided world class full backing (new term) for 2-3 years, that’s near perfect don’t you think? Rather than throwing all the weight of the position into Jenkinson, it would give us time to assess whether Jenkinson is up to it and give him time to grow into the team.
And Walker and Richards don’t even come close to Sagna’s level as RB. In fact, if I were ranking PL full backs, those 2 wouldn’t even be in my top 3. Ivanovic and Zabaleta are both way better. After those 2 and Sagna I think it take s a biggish step down in quality to Richards/Walker/Johnson (this, I admit, is all subjective but holds true from what I have seen and from the selctions at City/Englan)
And as Stag pointed out, Clichy started the majority of games for City last season, they had the most solid looking defence in the leage (top or second top in clean sheets), contributed more in an attacking sense than he ever did at Arsenal (largely due to the style of play).
How you can consider him a failure or peripheral figure there I have no idea.
@OziKenyan, agree on the sagna comparison. night and day.
at city, zabaleta is the best fullback so it came down to who was second best, clichy or richards. as a result, zabaleta plays rb now for city.
i can still remember a time when people thought we should pay 24 million for micah richards. not that he’s a bad player but that’s crazy money for a guy that gave arsenal nothing new.
@joshuad, Micah only had that price tag because he is english. I mean look at Bent and Carrol or Fletscher recently. The mid-table teams in the EPL are horrid when it comes to evaluating english talent. I like Sagna but the reality is that when a LB/RB is approaching 30 his performance drops.
And Nasri appeared in 32 EPL Matches last year got subed 16 times and played 2/3 of possible minutes. He had five goals and 9 assists thats not that great. If you look at Silva,Aguero,Dzeko,Toure they were the important players and you can make even a case that Balotelli had more impact at City last year. And Glichy NEVER was nor will be considered a great defender City has a man called Kompany who is a MONSTER IN THAT MIDDLE and he makes the D work.
And Zabaleta is a fan fav but Richard wich you don’t rate that high was the nr.1 RB last year that isn’t exactly All-World resume.
@Ty,
Agree that English players are over-values quite often (and huge amounts at that). 35 mil for Carrol, LOL. Still, putting arbitrary pricetags out of the picture and judging just on performance, Richards still does not come close to some of the RB’s mentioned. There’s a good reason he’s behind Zabaleta. Not only that, they bought Maicon on top of that. And I think the English, flashy, attacking powerhouse Richards is much more fan-favourite than Zabaleta. It’s just that Zabaleta is too good to ignore.
Sagna’s performance may drop (in fact, going by how ridiculously high it was, it will be a miracle if it doesn’t). But we’re Arsenal, we should know better than any other club that this should not be a time to ditch these players but to use their experience in games, their mentalities, on the field and off it. And there’s always the chance that Sagna will continue to play well. He’s a physical beast and didn’t look like he’d lost anything at all between the first and second leg breaks.
Nasri, like I mentioned at first, started coming good toward the second half of the season. Evaluate your own stats and see how many of those were in the first half vs second half. I hate him and absolutely love that he got benched at the start and that his place is not guaranteed but he is annoyingly growing into that team. Nobody said he had a huge impact overall, but he was a big driving force right at the last, during the final title charge.
Kompany, monster or not (which he undoubtedly is) should not cloud the fact that Clichy was quite good for them last season. Arsenal are the perfect examples of how defences are only as strong as their weakest link and Clichy held his own quite comfortably alongside the likes of Kompany.
@OziKenyan,
Wow this comment needs some editing. DAG what is up with the edit functionality?
I’d be surprised if anyone on this site spoke against Sagna. He’s the one relic from the last period that I want to take into the next. Sagna is a pro’s pro. He is hard, tough, uncomplicated, gives 100%, is a defender first… and yet is interestingly he is French and thereby presses that vital buttons that helps Wenger like him.
Wenger seems to have undergone something of a mini-makeover. It’s not the full treatment, more-so a consultation with the specialist, a strategy session, and tinkering with a couple of approaches.
What he needs to do is to complement these early steps with a few adjustments in how he interacts with his players. Merely pedaling out the same tired lines is not helpful in assuring a guy like Sagna that AFC is a place worthy of staying. Someone in the clubs management needs to have the emotional intelligence to sit down with Sagna, explain the club has reviewed the last period and implemented some critical changes. In the conversation they would affirm how important Sagna is in this new emerging Arsenal that is based more ‘on now’ and not some future never-never-land.
Sadly, Sagna is a victim of timing, he came during the desert years. We might lose him. But there is still the chance to keep him.
@Kiwi, I love Sagna but he is often injured and a RB who is closing in on 30 who needs his pace because he is a rather slightly build fella. We would absolutly have to bring in a player with at least his class (not easy to do) but Sagna is like Song rather replaceble. I hope he stayes but all that this whole thing gets is a MEEEEEH SO ?(No Transfers, No BPL, booooring National Fixtures the papers have to write/sell smth right).
@Ty,
Good to hear your thoughts. And interesting how we instinctively react differently.
When I heard the news I did think about the injuries Sagna has had and is currently recovering from. I was going to caveat my comments by saying ‘assuming he’s ok and has no longterm issues’. He’s had 2 breaks (same leg?) in a year, so that’s been unfortunate.
Interesting though to review his EPL start record for the last 4 seasons.
2011/12 – 20 EPL starts
2010/11 – 33 EPL starts
2009/10 – 31 EPL starts
2008/09 – 34 EPL starts
Even in his ‘bad season’ he started 20 times. I don’t think I’d classify him as an injury risk unless the doctors believe the breaks have longterm consequences. He certainly hasn’t had a history of injuries, in fact, he is a mainstay over the last 5 seasons – one position we don’t need to worry about.
Sizewise, I’d call him normal height for a fullback and very muscular. He’s perfectly built for the rough and tumble of the EPL.
I’m starting to warm a little to the ‘Jenkinson as a backup to Sagna as first choice’, my bigger worry is the leftback scenario. So given Sagna is an ‘answer’ in my book rather than a problem I’d love him to stay. If Jenkinson develops, with his 6ft 1 inch height and happy to rough and tumble style, he could be an increasingly valuable part of the defence over the next few years and naturally take over from Sagna. If Bould’s as good as everyone is saying Jenkinson might be a real benefactor. It’s nice to have enough height in the penalty area when defending, I noticed in the last 2 games, with the height of Mertesacker, Giroud, Jenkinson, Diaby and a bouncy Vermaelen we have probably never looked as comfortable dealing with high balls/crosses.
@Kiwi, If you look around the
EPL there are a lot of big strong RB Walker,Richards come to
mind of the top of my head. But this injurie thing is
of course a perception thing at times. But the last 5
years Sagna has been consistent so I will take that often
injured thing back. But hes still aproaching 30 and has
2 seasons in a row with a freak injurie lets hope for the
best (wich in my opinion is 3 stellar Seasons at RB and than
he will be a back-up/gone)
Sagna questions why we once again sold 2 of our best players in succession…
Says he saw ex-teammates Clichy and Nasri lifting the big trophy, and wants that feeling as well…
He has one year left on his contract after this season, and said there has been no discussion of extension…
Go ahead AKBers… have at the guy…
I mean, he wants to win! The AUDACITY! … and he should be grateful that Wenger has allowed him to play here, right?
What’s he ever done? He’s over paid. He’s injury prone. Why’s he speaking out on this? Wenger made him. We have Jenkinson anyway, and 3 straight shut outs… blah blah blah.
;)
@stag133,
I was just about to post this. It is front page on the BBC site.
Sagna just told it as it is.
I’ll bet my house that neither Wilshere nor Sagna will extend their
contracts! And all the AKBs will be “shocked” and “angry” about it … lol.
@stag133, it’ one thing when we, on the outside looking in, think we see a sinking ship. it’s completely different when you actually see top players abandoning the arsenal ship annually.
i’ve been an arsenal fan for nearly 20 years and this isn’t an arsenal i’ve ever known. boo-hiss for me but it’s really a shame for many arsenal players. these guys made the decision to come to arsenal, over other top teams, believing they could create a real legacy. now, the question has changed from how many trophies can they win at arsenal to can they manage to win a single trophy. sagna has watched top guys bail every year and is contemplating his own future before it’s too late. rightfully so.
arsenal had a dynamite opportunity to make a statement of their ambition by keeping van persie. now, they make excuses like “we didn’t have a choice”. of course, they had a choice. they chose the money. you can’t stay at the top if you keep selling your best players. arsenal have become another ajax; a once great team that has become little more than a gateway for many good young players. only thing is the bpl is much tougher than the eridivisie.
like i said in the summer, no one is buying any of the bullshit arsenal are trying to sell anymore.
@stag133, 1. He is injured and I never like players talking over the direction of a club when they aren’t contributing. But he is a vet and a professianal so he clerly has the cache to do it. But seeing Nasri and Glichy holding up the trophy really I mean it is one thing to win and it is another one to actually contribute to it Glichy and Nasri had bad seasons and City certainly didn’t win because of them. The last years we have seen many great players leave but that whole ambition thing is just really annoying if you wan’t to leave just do it don’t try to soften the blow with statements about this and that. The realest Player is Assou Ekoto in that regard I have so much respect for him (even if he plays for that C!%t Club) because he tells it how it is.
@Ty, Clichy and Nasri had “bad seasons”?
Really?
by whose standards?
I watched a lot of City games, because frankly, they are fun to watch.
They certainly did NOT have bad seasons… and BOTH definitely contributed regularly to City winning the League.
That comment is CLASSIC sour grapes!
RVP is having a bad season too!
LoL
@Ty, Must agree with Stag here. Clichy had an excellent season. Nasri, not so much but even the c*nt started coming good towards the end of the season.
And you don’t rate Sagna?? Seriously?? He broke his leg twice last season, before that he was a defensive ever-present. Not just ever-present but an absolute rock at that. And for the last few seasons (since Henry left), by far and away my fav Arsenal player (along with Cesc- though he’s gone now too).
@OziKenyan, I totally disagree
with you (I never “liked” Glichy have nothing against him just dont think that higly of his game).Nasri and Glichy weren’t that great last year they contributet but not that much sorry but nobody in Manchester will say boy what would our season had been if Nasri/Glichy
got hurt. Glichy is their back up LB and Nasri is a very good player who much like Arshavin had one truly great season and after that is mediocre at best.
And I like Sagna what I don’t like is that this interlull chatter. He is a very good player but not a great one and he is hurt and if you aren’t contributing zip it thats my opinion. And I am a realist I don’t have a problem with somebody wanting to change Teams (heck I didn’t even got all the fuss about “The Decision”) but don’t talk bull before you leave so you don’t look like an ass for the fans who think football players actually care(You know like RVP did).
@Ty, Ty.
Absolutely WRONG on CLICHY and NASRI.
NASRI played in 30 EPL games for City. 26 STARTS – 5 goals / 9 assists.
CLICHY started 28 EPL games for City… and they had one of the best defensive records in the league!
Both of them PLAYED in 75% of the PREMIER LEAGUE MATCHES.
How is that not a big – positive contribution??
You have this wrong.
Watch the matches. They are BOTH regulars in the team…
If Clichy is a back-up, how does he start 75% of the matches?
dag, i’ve got to disagree with you on one thing, as always. i don’t think everything the team did was centered on van persie more than anyone else. obviously, being a center forward, he’ll be the tip of the spear. that makes him more likely to score goals. you’ve also got to consider that he was second on the team in assists. players like gervinho, theo, and ramsey had plenty of chances. think about how many easy chances those guys blew last season. the number of goals rvp scored is more a credit to how clinical the dutchman is than anything else.
strangely enough, i initially applied your van persie theory to henry when arsenal went to a 4-5-1. however, i changed my mind after considering the human factors at play. first, there was the moodiness of th14. secondly, there was the awe of the legend, king henry, that seemed to alter the many young and impressionable player’s game (everyone but van persie). everyone was trying to get a telling pass to the moody yet great king henry (seemingly seeking approval) and play became very predictable. it’s why i declared he needed to give up the armband or leave. the reality is there was no one to take the armband while he was still an arsenal player, so he had to leave for arsenal to hit on all cylinders again.
over the past five years, arsenal have created this illusion; a seemingly perpetual state of rebuilding, but i believe i see through it. what i do believe is arsenal are determined to strike a balance. they want to remain as lucrative a company as possible by not really extending themselves to compete for silverware with the teams they can’t compete with financially. i.e., it’s acceptable to finish behind the likes of city, chelsea, or man united by beating the money drum, while making as much money as possible, to include selling your best players.
since the ’07-’08 season, arsenal have never been balanced. there’s always been a glaring deficiency in the team going into every season. we fans always see it so the club has to see it, yet they do nothing about it. when they do fix one problem, they allow another deficiency to creep elsewhere into the team. we get a fit rvp, arteta, and a proper keeper, only to lose cesc and nasri. then we buy poldi and santi to replace cesc and nasri, but lose (sell) van persie and song. every year, it seems to change. as long as arsenal are competitive with newcastle and totts, then the club feel they’ve done okay. it’s not okay. arsenal can compete with city and chelsea without spending ridiculous money. question is do the board believe that. if so, do they care to do something about it.
@joshuad,
You have summed it up perfectly my friend. It’s called the “KROENKE” syndrome and is systematic of all the sport franchises he owns.
@Caribkid, You are on the money
with the “Kroenke Syndrome” all his Franchises are mediocre.
We have to stop replacing starting 11 players. We have to
upgrade or bring in sombody who challenges for a spot.
This year we have upgraded with Podolski on the Wing and
Cazorla in the AM role but we downgraded with Giroud (such a
drop from RVP like him but he likely will never have a season
like RVP) and nobody (ironically its not as steep of a drop as
RVP>Giroud but still a drop).
@joshuad,
Completely agree on the fact that we CAN compete with the likes of Man City, Man U and Chelsea without spending a fortune. It does require strategy, buying the right players, keeping your best players, and having the perfect VITAL BEHAVIOR in the CRUCIAL MOMENTS.
The CRUCIAL MOMENTS, as defined by the authors of Influencer – The Power To Change Anything, was the transfer window. I do not think we acted the VITAL BEHAVIOR during the transfer window, thus, causing our mindset and setting our environment for mediacoRISM
To me MediacoRISM to me is accepting 2nd, 3rd, 4th place instead of setting yourself up to be a CHAMPION. Again, we DO NOT NEED to spend ZILLLIONS of money to do this. All we had to do, was, do THE RIGHT THING.
Time will tell though……….
@tAi,
Oh yeah, I hope RVP can stay healthy, score 30 plus goals and win medals.
Yap, I routing for the guy but not the team he plays for.
PHW.
Arsenal can’t compete.
But go on SUCKERS, keep filling the stadium with the highest ticket prices in Europe.
And by the new Purple kits too!
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@stag133, feel your pain with hill-wood. like i always say, if i were kronke, i would ban hill-wood from saying anything about arsenal in public. he may be brilliant in some other way for the board but i simply can’t remember a single time he’s ever said anything smart. whenever i see that phw has something to say, i already know it’s going to be stupid.
@joshuad, very true. he’s likely a shrewd business man, but he does NOT get it, and should NEVER speak publicly, because he simply says idiotic things… repeatedly.
Boy RVP looks so good. I mean they say you really apreciate smt when it is no longer there but we all knew a top 10 player is leaving us. Just imagined how dismal ManU s start would have been without him.
I wish we would have signed M’Bia and VanDerWiel 10 mil. would have done it we would have made a 1mil. transfer profit but our dept problems at right back and Striker would be solved.
Wenger had no real option. He lost his last team. They left. Everyone of them decided to go including RvP.
Add to that the failure of project youth and Wenger had to restock – so he did. Giroud, Podolski and Cazorla plus Gervinho and Oxlade-Chamberlain a year earlier. That’s a total refit. The pressing question is now how long for them to gel as a group and shine as individuals. Only time will tell that one. Podolski and Cazorla are fast out of the blocks. Oxlade-Chamberlain has always looked focused and capable. Giroud and Gervinho have to show their ability.
What you have to like is the fact we’re buying like a normal club. Forget the fees, we’re buying players that can integrate quickly due to age and experience and motivation. And we’re reducing the risk of buying crocks by buying guys that have a playing history at the high levels.
My fear is probably shared by most, and that is that Wenger still plays a high risk game. If you gamble on guys like Diaby and perhaps Wilshere as being central to your cause it’s a high gamble. Diaby has an awful injury record. Wilshere is a little bit of a worry – even more-so when they are both in the same playing area – central midfield.
What happens if Diaby has a stella season?? Does he agitate for a move to Barcelona or Manchester City? The new Toure? Toure played for both. Sobering isn’t it.
Why does Chelsea kill world class strikers with perfect pedigree? Shevchenko? Torres? I know the easy answer is Drogba but… seems an unwelcome pattern for the club.
Is Manchester United RvP plus Rooney or… did Ferguson buy RvP to replace Rooney the player that rubbed Ferguson’s red-nose in the dirt? Ferguson has a history of never letting a player be bigger than him. I was amazed that Rooney got away with his public contract nonsense 18 months ago. No one crosses Ferguson. Revenge in this case might be a dish served very cold.
@Kiwi, We are buying like a normal club…
OK, are we normal? average? slightly above average? is that the goal?
Because we are SELLING like a SELLING TEAM… we are among the best at selling, and we’ll sell to anyone…
rival or not… as long as you give Arsenal the most money.
If we are buying players = or less to what we sold, what’s the point?
Are we EVER going to try to get BETTER, and COMPETE for the title again?
how many years is that wait?
As noted on the previous thread… if we had RVP and SONG in the team, and added the players we did…
well, maybe we’d have a real shot at winning something.
If we had BOUGHT a few players in the last few days of the window… Dempsey? M’Vila? Sahin? etc…
we lack the depth we always do… and when you play 4 competitions, through a cold winter in England, there is a war of attrition…
and that’s where City are absolutely miles ahead of the competition…
They can lose Balotelli, and not miss him at all… they have very good options all over the pitch, and competition for positions at all times…
now, I’m not delusional… (though that might be debated)… I don’t expect that kind of star power all over the field for Arsenal, but some depth and some battling for starting spots, would occasionally be nice.
@stag133,
Why the rant?
I meant ‘normal’ in the sense of ‘age, experience and motivation’. We’ve started to buy normal players not ‘only youth’.
I didn’t say Wenger and the club have had a total makeover, breast implants, nose job, fuller lips, teeth, and 30-day intense exercise routine.
Just that one aspect of our practice has returned to a greater sense of normality.
@Kiwi, not a rant at you, surely.
I don’t think Arsenal are normal… I’ve been calling for us buying players in the mid-twenties for about 5 years now…
so I am happy with that…
I am just so pissed that we SOLD RVP, and Song… and if we kept them, and added what we did, we’d have a real shot.
Why do we have to take 3 steps back, to take 1 step forward.
@stag133,
Of course I agree with your sentiment on this Stag. We’ve pointed out the fact that Wenger doesn’t give his squad a fair shot.
In a sense once Van Persie and Song made up their minds the die is cast.
Each situation is a little different, with Van Persie he obviously made up his mind to go during last season.
– the exit of Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy
– the haphazard spending splurge on 2 good and 3 poor buys
– the ManU humiliation and a season spent clawing our way back to a CL place
– no trophies
– and an injury free season
…all that made Van Persie think leaving was better than staying. I honestly don’t think Wenger had any chance of changing his mind. Wenger reaped the consequences of years of low ambition. And Van Persie showed zero loyalty to the man who backed him.
With Song. I think Wenger was right. Song wanted a hefty payrise on the back of one good season. He was mid-contract and to be fair Wenger had played him for years when he was little more than average. I think he was a bit greedy too soon to be honest. I don’t think he’s an A-list player.
I back Wenger’s judgment on Song. Arteta, a disciplined 100% pro is as able as Song to play a disciplined CM role. Diaby and Wilshere will compete for the other CM role. Both have injury issues and can share the role with each also allowing Cazorla a spell if they prove to be both fit and able.
I think Song was expendable. I agree with the 7am blogger, Song pushed his luck, and Wenger called his bluff and thought the Barca offer was good value for a player who had ideas above his station. At the end of the day I think everybody probably got what they wanted. Song got Barca and a payrise, Barca got Song a utility, and we got 15m for a player who was never a perfect answer to any need.
Early days, but I think we look a more disciplined team without Song. Barca value him because he has utility value in Spain to them as a CM/CB.
I’d rather Wenger picked his time and brought back Fabregas. This emerging team plus Fabregas might equal a real shot.
@Kiwi, I guess “good value” in terms of MONEY is correct.
We got a lot of money for a player that might not be worth that much in the market place…
however, in terms of VALUE to the current team, its MASSIVE.
The problem is, the “value” at Arsenal always refers to CA$H.
It is more important that we make sure we get paid for a player, than it is to give ourselves a better chance of winning something.
I didn’t think so was great… but I’d rather have the good player in the team as an option, adding depth, than I would 15 Million GBP, in the pockets of the club.
The money doesn’t do the supporter ANY good at all…
Yes.
I agree that we can compete without VanPersie… if the club felt like they had
to sell him, OK… that’s fine, that’s how Arsenal do business.
However, as I have said from the start… selling him to Manchester United,
is just the most IDIOTIC move you could possibly make.
I don’t care how much we got for him.. 40 Million would not have mattered.
RVP is now carrying United… just like he did Arsenal last season.
We’ve improved a team that was 18 points ahead of us…
If we sold him to Italy or Spain or Russia, we could look at him scoring like the superstar he is… and not care or worry at all…
instead, Rooney goes down for a month, and now they might not miss a beat.
If RVP is elsewhere, they might have a slow start to the season… and some cause for concern for a “rival”…
He’s going to score 25 goals… I just hope he doesn’t score 35…
but the egg would wind up on the faces of Wenger and the board, because they did NOT have to sell him to ManU…
however, they don’t care at all… because it doesn’t matter (winning).
They know we aren’t competing for the League, and 2nd 3rd or 4th are all the same…
The club got paid AGAIN… won the transfer window trophy for money made again… and as noted above… our DEPTH is NON-EXISTANT.
The loss of a player like Arteta, Cazorla (already a key player)… or Vermalaen…
and once again, we are F*CKED.
Lessons are never learned by the club or manager…
because the only real goal is making money …. staying in or around the Top 4, and keep the suckers coming through the turnstiles and buying merchandise.
On a footballing note…
yes… we played a good match, and not the typical way… we did the countering… and we compete well in every match.
@stag133,
Agree on selling RVP to our main rival. Big clubs do not do that. Thus, with that statement, we are no longer a big club. Just a TOP 6 club in England.
We’ve won 3 out of the last 4 games at Anfield
September 2, 2012 …2-0
March 3, 2012 …2-1
December 13, 2009 …2-1
We haven’t lost at Anfield since 2007
Great write up. Agree that we look good and think the unit looks more cohesive and collective. Think Young’s comments about not by design are foolish. All were educated purchases by Wenger and it’s rvp who put arsenal in a week position by pushing for a sale by not signing a new contract after all the support he received during his time on the treatment table. There is no anger just facts. Forget what rvp gave last season, he got much more over 8 years. Wenger bought right and that’s why we will be alright. Fact.
Great blog with some strange fan responses.
While I agree that we are playing more as a team, I put that down more to Bould creating an organized shape for the team and the addition over the past 2 years of experienced players, rather than RVP leaving.
If we had RVP in the equation with the likes of Poldi, Carzola, Arteta and the “new” Diaby providing service we would have had one of the best attacking line-ups anywhere in the world.
As it is, we are 1 or 2 crucial injuries away from failing to make CL qualification for next season. We really have no realistic back-up for Arteta and Carzola or at the Striker position.
Still, I like the basis of this team although we had the opportunity to improve much further if we had kept or replaced Song and RVP.
Instead, we once again won the Net Transfer Spending stakes.
Rvp was given the ball more often last season was because there was ONLY RvP upholding the striker position with pride and substance. Credit him where credit d is due. Without him ,Song and Walcott there is NO 3rd automatic berth for the CL competition,FACT Try not to negate facts with venom or misconception. It is a stroke of LUCK that we have THREE good signings,not by long term design otherwise RvP would still be wearing an Arsenal shirt. With the momentum of these three new signings and flashes of potential from Diaby,we should have a new exciting season. Let us be positive and look forward,not forever stupidly BACKWARD.