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Is it time to let Cesc go?

By Michael Price
May 4, 2011
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With the summer coming upon us there a bunch of conversations we will all have as Arsenal fans. Some of them we will all agree on, others will be about as divisive as the civil war. But they are conversations that are going to happen so why not have them.

That is why I want to explore whether or not it is time to consider if Cesc Fabregas has taken us as far as he can. Yes, that means what you think it means – is it time to give Cesc what he wants – a return to Barcelona.

Now, when I get into these conversations I always feel the need to caveat things. First, this is a way for us as supporters to have a discussion, just because I ask the question doesn’t mean I actually feel that way as a supporter. I just want us to discuss it. Secondly, if you cannot respect this and the opinions of people who agree or disagree – please don’t comment.  Everyone, pro and con is entitled to their opinion.

With that said let’s get in to it shall we?

This past Sunday was a glimpse into the future. Whether that future is immediate or in the long off zone – it is the future. It is likely that the fulcrum of this Arsenal team within the next few years will be centred on Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey in the middle of the pitch. If this past weekend’s rehearsal is any indication, we will have a dominating midfield for a long time.

So does that mean it is time to off-load Cesc Fabregas and use the funds for other areas? Well, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who thinks that one performance on the pitch is any reason to give Cesc his gold pen, a pat on the back and thank you as he leaves. If that were our only reason then I would say, absolutely not, Cesc has to stay – this past weekend could have been an anamoly.

But here’s the thing what I did see was a team that was more direct and took more chances around  the box then when Cesc is on the pitch. There is no arguing that Cesc is a midfied maestro capable of creating beauty – just recently when he saw the high line Blackpool where playing almost every pass to RvP resulted in a clear chance. But it is that ability that may have become a crutch to this team and their overreliance on him to get them out of jams when things don’t go well for the club.

Every pass goes through Fabregas. Every play. And when things aren’t developing for the other players they send it back to Fabregas in hopes that he can unlock the defence and set them free. Except that I think that it freezes our other players at times while they wait for him to do what he can do.

I noticed on Sunday that even though we were passing around the United box, there were still more attempts to bring it in by individual players. Additionally, I saw more chances. Sure, part of that was the way that United played. But when it looked like United had 10 men behind the ball we were still  a lot more attacking in nature then we have been. When Cesc is on the pitch the players simply believe he can solve their inability for them.

Whether that’s right, wrong, fair or not, it does seem to be the case.  He is undeniably the engine that makes this Arsenal team grow.  Many of the pieces that have been brought in, were brought in, in the hope that they would compliment his style rather than rely on it. I’m not so sure it has happened.

Additionally, I belive this team, win or lose, shows more of a unit like structure when they don’t have Cesc on the field. They free themselves from having him on the pitch. They try and take matters into their own hands. There is more movement of the ball and frankly we look a lot quicker.

No, Fabregas is not slow. But when the ball is passed to him, he is very deliberate looking for the next two or three moves. That deliberate nature slows the team down. Its not necessairly a bad thing but a team that is built to burn you on the counter – it can have a halting effect.

This overreliance is very similar to what the team experienced in the wanning days of Thierry Henry. Everything was through him. The biggest difference is that Henry was in the twilight and was able to carry that load. I am not sure someone of 24 was ready for that kind of load.

Look, it is likely that Arsenal need to keep him. He is still the best creative midfielder in the league. Its not a talent you easily replace. There is also no guarantee that were he to leave that we wouldn’t be taking a step back. All these are things to weigh in on the decision.

But we have young, talented, and hungry players who are showing on the pitch for Arsenal or on loan for other clubs that they want to play. Cesc has been hit and miss. Maybe its time?

Post Script:

So we’ve asked the question. What do I really think? I do think we tend to rely on Cesc’s presence on the pitch too much. Additionally, I think he is becoming hurt more than he is playing. But still when he is fit – really, there aren’t many better. I think you have to keep him at least for another season. See how Ramsey develops and whether or not there are any lingering effects to his injury. The last thing you want is to jettison a player like Cesc and then find out Ramsey (the heir apparent) is going to wind up like Eduardo.

Finally, I don’t think Barcelona have the ability to meet the asking price of Arsenal. Unless they sell. They will only come in with a £35 million bid.  Arsenal aren’t going to take it – that is unless they feel they have no other choice but to sell Cesc. I don’t think they have reached that point yet.

I love watching Cesc as a player. Though admittedly this season has been less than a joy because it just seems to me at times he really is just going through the motions. I hope I am wrong. I hope that come August, Cesc is part of the team and is building on what was learnt this past season.

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24 comments

  1. sachin 6 May, 2011 at 01:49 Log in to Reply

    If Cesc was not around, then in essence we would be back to a youth experiment in a key area of the team, and through a long season the team will likely suffer, leading to cries of buying an experienced player like Cesc.

    Cesc needs to stay because he can still contribute to the team and Ramsey can learn plenty from Cesc. Vieira always said that he learned a lot from Adams, so I think there are other players in the team who can learn from Cesc. It is not that Arsenal are brimming with leaders & proven skillful players right now. Cesc is still young but compared to Jack and Ramsey, he is an experienced player, especially given the number of games he has been playing for Arsenal since the age of 16. Heck, Cesc even played in Arsenal’s last trophy winning final.

    The writeup does rightly point to the similarities in how the team goes through Cesc in a singular fashion like they did with Henry. The singular focus via Cesc needs to change because that will provide the team with different options and not make Arsenal predictable. Will such differing options happen under Wenger? Or will things work in a similar predictable manner? I think there was a chance for Nasri and Cesc to play effectively together, in a similar mould to Xavi & Iniesta, as mentioned by Fred previously. But that never happened and it was not surprizing to see that on more than one occasion, Nasri’s best moments came when Cesc was not around. In a sense, this feels like how the rest of the Arsenal team stepped out of the shadows when Henry left. It does not have to be this way. The system needs to change so that Cesc does not have to carry the burden on his own and others can share. That sharing workload is probably another appeal of Barca, where even though it seems things depend a lot of Xavi & Messi, but there are plenty of other players who play great supporting roles and create chances. And at Barca, they are not shy to use width as an attacking option either.

  2. jroybower 5 May, 2011 at 22:23 Log in to Reply

    are Stag and Fred one in the same!??!

    their writing style, mannerisms and content are remarkabley similar…

    • stag133 5 May, 2011 at 23:12 Log in to Reply

      @jroybower, you definitely aren’t on here much, because we RARELY talk about the same things.
      We agree that the club are LOST in the Arsene Wenger wilderness, but Fred disects the “minutiae”…

  3. Ronnie 5 May, 2011 at 18:33 Log in to Reply

    Yeah, I guess Cesc is going to leave the club only because the lack of anxiety of winning any trophies have not yet reached through the players. We need a true,

    a major player that has won loads of cups in his career

    a player who can shoot at the final of the endless passing that Arsenal is known to do. But that key player is going to take lots of courage to come to Arsenal and have hope on these amateurish players that’s scared to do something they never did before. Lets pray we have the right money for cesc and take advantage of it.

    ARSENAL FOREVA TILL I DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Arsenalistul 5 May, 2011 at 16:34 Log in to Reply

    I love Fabregas, he is, by far, the best creative midfielder in the EPL. He is Arsenal, because of him Arsenal play as they do.

    Unfortunately the players around him, with very few exceptions, are not at his level, and will never be. As long as he is at the club, the manager will WRONGLY build the team around Cesc.
    He is like Henry was some years ago, way to good to play at a seller club.

    Let him go to Barca, and let us all enjoy what that team could become with another world class midfielder. After all, he deserves it, he did a VERY GOOD JOB for us in the last 6 years.
    As for the price, would anybody believe that if we get 40-50 mil for him, the board will spend that money?

    Arsene will continue to buy sub par youngsters or cheap and old formers. Without Cesc the team will play a less intricate and sophisticated game which will better suit the sub par squad.

  5. Fred 5 May, 2011 at 15:41 Log in to Reply

    And for f&%ks sake can we get at least two FAST WINGERS (preferably with brains) ?

    Our team is slow as sludge.

    All this playing slow, small, “technical” AMs in wide areas is complete BULLSHIT.

    Hopefully Miyaichi comes back to join Walcott. But other than that we need one or two really rapid, impact players from out wide.

  6. Fred 5 May, 2011 at 13:13 Log in to Reply

    Saddest part of all this is that IF Wenger had an iota of tactical nous we would have WON the league title on Sunday …. EVEN with this ridiculously weak team …. EVEN with Clichy, Eboue, Diaby et al.

    Wenger’s tactical ability was in full view when he hilariously brought on Eboue to “shore up our defense”!!! LOL!

    We then proceeded to completely brick it for the last 10 minutes.

    Ofcourse our TWO shots on goal in the entire game … at home no less … was just embarrasing. But still at par with a Wenger second half of season team.

    Conclusion:

    No matter the personel that is brought in, we still have to deal with Wenger and his shockingly amateur tactics and team management.

    Wenger will never win anything at Arsenal again. I said that 2 years ago and it still holds true.

  7. OziKenyan 5 May, 2011 at 12:04 Log in to Reply

    I don’t think he’s going to leave. Don’t want him to either. And I don’t believe this not giving 100% stuff either. And even if that were true, 80% Cesc is vastly superior to most other players.

  8. stag133 4 May, 2011 at 22:58 Log in to Reply

    as always, it doesn’t matter what you think!

    Arsenal PLC, will sell our best player AGAIN, and CA$H in on him, like they always do.
    You KNOW this i$ factual. It happens every time with this club.
    MONEY and PROFIT are far more important than winning and keeping our best players.

    Cesc WANTS to go. Again, there is little debate about it, so why would you want to force him to stay AGAIN. Do you really feel his heart was in it this whole season?

    35 Million?
    I DOUBT we will get that much.
    But again, what does it matter HOW MUCH?
    It WON’T BE SPENT on players, because even if we got 100 MILLION, Wenger would not use it to spend on players. He’d say they aren’t worth that much, and we’d buy a 5 Million dollar player, a free transfer, and some 14 year old for $3 Million.

    So, the amount we get does not matter.
    We won’t spend it on players anyway, it will go into the coffers and pockets of the board and club.
    And… forcing him to stay AGAIN, will mean he will again give a half-hearted effort at times…

    Let him go. He wants to be in Barcelona.
    The ONLY way I would keep him, is if we completely changed philosophy, and BOUGHT 2 or 3 PROVEN players… CB, STRIKER, and DEFENSIVE MID… and tried to win the title for once.

    If we are going to keep the same ineffective, failed philosophy, then sell Cesc, make the money on his sale, and put it into the pockets of the club and board… it has worked before… we remained Top 4, and we won the profit league.

    Just depends how we continue to define and spin “success”. :skeleton:

  9. oz gooner 4 May, 2011 at 21:49 Log in to Reply

    Let’s take the cash. Making Cesc captain was a huge mistake and we can hardly backtrack and keep him, he hasn’t given 100% in any game this year and please don’t mention burn out and pressure. Thanks Cesc you did your best time to move on.

  10. oz gooner 4 May, 2011 at 21:49 Log in to Reply

    Let’s take the cash. Making Cesc captain was a huge mistake and we can hardly backtrack and keep him, he hasn’t given 100% in any game this year and please don’t mention burn out and pressure. Thanks Cesc you did your best time to move on.

  11. James 4 May, 2011 at 21:23 Log in to Reply

    I think we really need to stop asking this question. This statements are the putting taughts in the players head. We are practaply chasing him away with these questions.if Cesc wants to leave, let him leave. It’s as simple as that. We love him and we want him to stay, but if he wants to leave, he is free to leave.

  12. Fred 4 May, 2011 at 20:51 Log in to Reply

    Fabregas will leave. Because he wants to go and Arsenal LLC, PLC, LTD, Inc. needs the money.

    Ofcourse the team always pass to him. He is vastly superior to the rest of them. Also, our players are cowards, so they prefer a savior … as opposed to having to do the work themselves.
    If he leaves, in the clutch they will simply punt the responsibility on some other poor sap (eg. Wilshere, RvP).

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  14. Exo 4 May, 2011 at 19:26 Log in to Reply

    Cesc’s mind has been in Barcelona for too long now, sadly it’s time for him to go. Were carrying too much dead wood at the moment, Rosicky, Denilson, Diaby, Arshavin, Eboue etc etc. Now we have more money (6.5%, thanks Stan) we should be able to bring in top quality players like Hazard, Sakho, Steklenburg and recall our youth players like Lansbury & co and hopefully some of our overseas players like Botelho, Galindo, Miyaichi and even the grumpy Wellington Silva

  15. Aussie Jack 4 May, 2011 at 18:55 Log in to Reply

    ?:-) We used to play through Henry, when he left it allowed others to show their true potential, the same with Fabregas. Ramsey and Wilshere need freedom to develop and not be steriotyped by someone not much older than trhemselves. Experience will come from playing the game and a couple of older heads introduced.
    Player and club alike could benefit from Fabregas returning to Barcelona.

  16. true gooner 4 May, 2011 at 18:17 Log in to Reply

    I seem to remember a similar topic on Henry and Viera. Selling Fab would be a huge gamble but rember what Wenger had to say after we sold Henry the following season were top of the league at a canter and suddenly the wheels came off (like most since Henry departure) If we over rely on the one player then thats the managers fault interms of tactics and style of play I know cescs vision and range is what sets him apart but if he has an off day or is being marked out of the game then its down to the manager and the team to find another way it souldnt be too difficult currently we have the 2 best offensive MFin the league, the quickest forward in the league, a youth system envied across the globe and without a shodow of a doubt the most technicly gifted team in the league. Why we fall short isnt down to personel its a collective thing that starts with the managers angst and furstration at his teams failings while remaining resolute about his philosophy of brining in the kids, but when you break it down who in the first team with the exception of wiltshere, who has come through the youth system.

    • Fred 4 May, 2011 at 20:43 Log in to Reply

      @true gooner,

      “without a shodow of a doubt the most technicly gifted team in the league.”

      This is a false statement that just too many Arsenal fans repeat.

      How exactly is our team the “most technically gifted team” ?????

      We have Fabregas and we have Nasri …. outside of that what else is so “technically gifted” about the squad???

  17. nicky 4 May, 2011 at 18:10 Log in to Reply

    If we buy sensibly during the Summer, then I think we ought to keep Fabregas for another season. I feel that a stronger squad for next season will itself persuade him to stay.
    Otherwise, the answer will be to sell him. He was not missed last Sunday and throughout the season hasn’t served us too well……either through injury or homesickness.

    • Fred 4 May, 2011 at 20:40 Log in to Reply

      @nicky,

      “and throughout the season hasn’t served us too well”

      Are you freaking serious?????

      WIthout Cesc we would NOT be in the Top 4 right now. Not even close.

      Don’t confuse other players’ shortcomings with that of Fabregas.

  18. Lanz 4 May, 2011 at 17:34 Log in to Reply

    I am sure he is leaving.

  19. Lanz 4 May, 2011 at 17:34 Log in to Reply

    I am sure he is leaving.

  20. seamus 4 May, 2011 at 17:24 Log in to Reply

    I also agree that Fabregas should be kept for another season, as we have seen a season of maturity in Wilshire whilst playing some games with Fabregas. Fabregas is still young but at the moment he is one of arsenals most experienced players and Ramsey and Wilshire can learn from him.

  21. Dom 4 May, 2011 at 15:59 Log in to Reply

    I think we should hang on to him for 1 more season. I think niggling injuries are responsibly for poor form this season. 1 more season would also allow Ramsey to completely overcome his injury.

    I do agree with your point that everything goes through Cesc and when he doesn’t play well neither does the team. In recent weeks it seems that the burden of this responsibility is weighing on his shoulders. We need to adapt to this for next season with some of the other players like Nasri, AA23 and Jack willing to take more risks to unlock defences.

    But keep him for another season at least.

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