Is Arsene staying or going?

Prior to kick off on Saturday the internet and press were abuzz with an interview that was published in L’Equipe. Based on the contents of that interview many of the press began speculating that Arsene Wenger would be leaving the club after this summer. After a careful review of the full translation however, it is clearly evident that certain outlets only published the more, shall we say salacious bits. Those that would certainly get a rise out of any Arsenal fan.
What the press picked up on and ran was the following exchange:
L’Equipe: Will you still be here in 15 years?
Wenger: No.
L’Equipe: And next season?
Wenger: We’ll look at things at the end of this one.
Now, I’ve purposely printed only the one statement – the second one that they ran with. Then most outlets followed it up with this:
L’Equipe: Did it not feel like things were suddenly slipping away from you, especially during the summer, during the transfer window?
Wenger: The hard thing is the feeling that something is ending. You had a project with guys that you took on at the age of 18 and they leave at the age of 23. That’s not what you dream about
Then most outlets ran with this to close:
Wenger: For the first time since I have been here, I lost young players who were reaching maturity. I suffered. Because it is painful to separate with key players who you have invested a lot in, it’s painful when the results are not good enough
Wenger: But whether it is with me or someone else, that changes nothing. The person that comes in after me will need foundations on which he can obtain success.
Now, I’ve published in this blog the tidbits that many press outlets cherry picked from the L’Equipe piece. I like L’Equipe. I find them responsible in their reporting and many of their “rumours” wind up being fact. That is why when I started reading the English articles I was slightly surprised. On the surface it certainly looked like the ravages of the end of last season, the departures of Nasri and Fabregas, and the start of this season had made Wenger question it all.
Which is why I started looking for a full translation of the article. Thank goodness for the folks over at Arseblog. They have the full article here. What comes through is not the self pitying portrayal that came across in the English press but the resolute, stubborn and strong manager many of us know.
There were acknowledgments of errors and missteps:
L’Equipe: From the outside, it looks like a case of patching up…
Wenger: I acknowledge that not everything was planned. Above all, what wasn’t planned was Wilshere’s long injury and Vermaelen having to undergo surgery. Losing 8-2 at Manchester United wasn’t planned either, nor was Gibbs’ injury. When that happens you are obliged to act quickly, to adapt. I bought five players in three days at the end of August, and am happy about it.
L’Equipe: You can’t ignore the fact that the results haven’t been there. That might have worn down certain players and contributed to the exodus…
Wenger: Of course that played a part. In this respect, last season broke the squad. They could have been extraordinary. I often call it ‘the season of the last minute’. We lost the League Cup final in the last minute, we lost to Liverpool in the last minute (in fact Arsenal drew in April, Kuyt equalising in 12th minute of added time), we lost the chance of qualifying, with only ten players, against Barcelona with Bendtner’s opportunity. At Tottenham, we were 3-1 up and got pegged back. When that happens your backs are against the wall. When you no longer have anything to get your teeth into, one and a half months is a long time to spend together. We felt like the winds wouldn’t stop blowing against us and yet we were so close to exploding (winning) everything.
But never in the piece did you get the sense that this was a guy who was planning on stepping away from the club at the end of the season. As a matter of fact you get an entirely different picture. When you add in the parts the press did not run then it is clear that Arsene, unless given the sack (an unlikely possibility), will see out his current contract.
L’Equipe: Will you still be here in 15 years?
Wenger: No.
L’Equipe: And next season?
Wenger: We’ll look at things at the end of this one. I still have two years to run on my contract.
L’Equipe: Did it not feel like things were suddenly slipping away from you, especially during the summer, during the transfer window?
Wenger: The hard thing is the feeling that something is ending. You had a project with guys that you took on at the age of 18 and they leave at the age of 23. That’s not what you dream about. What’s more, on top of the players that left, there were injuries. It’s simple: last season, our midfield was built around Wilshere, Nasri, Diaby and Fabregas. Then we find ourselves without Diaby and Wilshere who are injured for a long time, and without Nasri and Fabregas who have gone to Manchester City and Barça.
L’Equipe: Still, there was a lot of commotion and it seems to be the end of the hopes you placed in a generation of players. Do you not see that as a personal failure?
Wenger: For the first time since I have been here, I lost young players who were reaching maturity. I suffered. Because it is painful to separate with key players who you have invested a lot in, it’s painful when the results are not good enough. We are fighting with clubs that have far superior means to us. We cannot account for the difference in the financial potential of clubs like Manchester City and ourselves.
L’Equipe: But it looks like you are obliged to rebuild once more. Just like at the start…
Wenger: It’s true, a new cycle is starting. When we left Highbury, I set my sights on a long-term project with a young team. It didn’t produce the results I’d hoped for. Yes, we have to rebuild.
L’Equipe: With you? Will you embark on another long spell?
Wenger: No, as far as I am concerned, we are now talking pretty short term, that’s obvious. But whether it is with me or someone else, that changes nothing. The person that comes in after me will need foundations on which he can obtain success.
So now you see when you have the full quotes that the press were selectively running with, you get a different perspective of the man. One who seems to acknowledge the error of his ways (to an extent) but is intent on seeing things out.
The worst thing about this is now Wenger has had to come out and post-game come out and once again stress his commitment to the club.
“I will stay and that’s it.”
Wenger said: “I have a few more years to go. I will stay and that’s it. It was a little sentence if you read well.“I can only speak for me. The club can decide to get rid of me tomorrow morning and I cannot interfere with that decision, but I am totally committed here and I will show you that at the end of the season.”
I’ve always maintained that Wenger has to bear some of the responsibility for the failures of the last 6 years. For a club with the ambitions of Arsenal, just competing isn’t and shouldn’t be enough. Still, the club has been in the thick of it on occasion in those 6 years and on two occasions (last season and 07/08) looked good enough to win it.
But I also have to acknowledge that it is Arsene Wenger who should get some of the kudos for arresting the collapse that was engulfing the club. If I acknowledge player failure and successes than the manager’s successes and failures should also be equally recognized. It was Arsene Wenger who has kept the faith in Theo Walcott, when many of us fans and pundits were calling for his head. Theo Walcott is coming good if he nails that final ball aspect he will be better than Ashley Young, a player I remember many Gooners saying we should’ve gotten. And for those counting assits – Theo has 7.
It is also the same Arsene Wenger who in spite of the financial doping of the giants around us has managed to field a team that as I mentioned earlier was able to compete on multiple fronts, beat the best team in the world and was a Nicklas Bendtner shoelace from advancing past said best club in the world. It is the same Wenger who has developed the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Jack Wilshere and the current best striker in England if not Europe, Robin Van Persie.
It is because of this and his past successes that Arsene Wenger will given the ability to leave of his own volition. Arsenal are once again in the hunt with the big boys. I am still cautious over this season because of everything that happened early on. Still, Wenger should get some credit for turning things around.
And finally this – Wenger will leave. Probably after this contract runs out. For those of us who have known other managers, it is not so much a frightening proposition and just another time of yet another change. For the kiddos who have only known one manager, one Arsene Wenger they are the ones with the most fear of change. But mark my words it will happen. We will look back and memorialize the greatest manager this club has ever had but it will be a time for change. We shouldn’t be afraid of it when it happens because even though Wenger is a legend to this club, the club is bigger than he and will go on long after Wenger has left the building.
Until next time – Stay Goonerish!!
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Good to see some of the oldsters popping in….no matter how jaded their views….
Though I know this will get buried, I’ve got a few things to say….And I will have more when the Dortmund thread goes up, I’m sure….
I have to say that I have very, very deep sympathy for those put off by the years of Wenger trying to paint an alternative reality for his squad. (I call it “lying”.) The comments about “mental strengff,” “collective belief,” etc. rang as hollow as anything I’ve ever seen in sports. I can see how the recent ones about how close we were to getting over the hump (“near misses”) sound as well.
Still, some posters (not me) thought that winning the Carling Cup last season could be a springboard. (“It will change everything,” said one poster whose name starts with an F…..) Obviously we should have won that match, though we still lacked the depth of quality to have any chance at the league. United could EASILY have turned us over last Spring (at our place) if they had needed to…..
Like Mazza says, the manager being chastened IS (probably) the best thing to come from the horrible summer dealings. But I would say that replacing Cesc and Nasri, a pair so full of promise that they never ACTUALLY had to deliver in order to get their “dream” moves, may be a worthwhile development as well. If Arsenal (under AW or anybody else) becomes a place which provides a platform for players to actually accomplish something (“stand and deliver” as opposed to just doing a skills demo….) it may become enjoyable to support the team once again.
The journeyman players we picked up seem to have that desire, which may be more important than inherent footballing quality. Marry that to some others maybe wanting to show that it was only injury (or being TOO young) which has held them back and maybe we’ve got enough to “get lucky” and eke out some good wins here and there against the bigger teams. Finally a bit of balance between the (dire) needs of the present and the (dimmer) prospects for being the super-club of the future seems at hand. The priority (or “trophy”) still appears to be the CL places, but (at least) the cries about how we’re nothing but mid-table fodder, seem to have been a tad wolfish….
Do I wish we still had Cesc and Nasri? Yes I do, but only if they wanted to be part of the team. It’s good to see Vermaelen playing well AND signing a new contract. Wilshere’s signed a bigger/longer one (while injured) so we’ll at least recoup money when he reneges on his pledge to always stay at Arsenal. Though Kiwi might disagree, I think it would be (very) good if RVP and Theo keep making goals and also re-up with the club.
We are not poised (under current ownership) to compete (long term) with Man City (whose 200 million pound loss will be offset with their 400 million shirt/stadium deal….) but we might get further than they do in Europe (lol) and I think we can give them some good matches along the way. We’ll have to keep unearthing obscure talents (Koscielny springs to mind) and keep hoping they and our youngsters (and now some older guys….) over-achieve and maybe make (or get) some luck.
And if that doesn’t work, maybe our (two) owners will pump in some funds and we’ll all be given free tickets to the WalMart/Gazprom Stadium so we can watch a new manager (David Moyes or Carlo Ancelloti or Guus Hiddink?) stroll the touchline while a central defense of Given, Cahill and Samba keep clean sheets and Torres, Carroll and Tevez pour in the goals…..
@HighburyTerraceSteve, LOL.
the new post probably happened within 20 minutes of your post!
;)
Again reading that interview it seems Wenger is always a bit slow on the uptake when it comes to sensing whether the team has shot its bolt or not. We lost the league against Liverpool? Really?
All I remember from that game is us playing like zombies, completely spent and devoid of drive and energy. Basically a team going through the motions, facing up to yet another embarrassing collapse. There was no sense at all that the Liverpool game was important , at least from my view point and a few others on here.
But of course it’s no surprise. I remember Wenger going apeshit on the touchline after Bendtner equalised against Villa right at the death in 07/08, and being surprised by his reaction and the obvious conclusion derived from it that he still thought we had a chance of the league. That Villa game again was another exercise in futility; a completely shot aimless bunch of players shorn of the required ‘minerals’ to push on at a time when title winning teams do exactly that.
Maybe this season, with sense knocked back into him by the inconvenience of reality and less attachment to certain incompetant pet projects, his perception and reactions will be more in-keeping and in sync with what is actually happening on the pitch.
A lot of good comments from Michael and the remnants :-)
I think everyone is just a little bit jaded. I don’t think many of us saw last season as ‘so close’. It was more like ‘more-of-the-same’ – and for many the last straw interest-wise. Just another example of a squad that couldn’t nail it in the clutch. Ultimately the young star players, like the Fab’s and the Nasri’s saw it the same. Wenger’s a little bit delusional, he’s still a fine manager but he’s lost his winning edge. His problem is human, we all write our own version of what is happening.
Even now, season 2011/12, who knows whether we’ll maintain upward momentum or whether we’ll flump. There is a sense that we’ve steadied the ship but that is hardly cause for mass celebration. All we’ve done at this stage is given ourselves a shot at CL football next season. We won’t know if we have acquired a superior metal to win until the clutch and cup final time – assuming we get that far.
I’m still bewildered in how the off-season went. What an absolute shamozzle. I’ve never seen such a mess – ever. We might have signed a few good players for a discounted amount but we paid the ultimate price by ensuring that we wouldn’t compete for the title AGAIN. It’s that priorities issue that ensures I disbelieve in Wenger’s latter-day squads.
@Kiwi, a – freaking – men.
@Kiwi,
” I don’t think many of us saw last season as ‘so close’. It was more like ‘more-of-the-same’ – and for many the last straw interest-wise. ”
^^^^^^^^^^^
That.
We’ve been saying the same shite over and over for years now. This Summer, combined by the horrific start…really, what is left to say? And how can even the most ardent Wenger believer get all excited because the squad has now climbed back over that dismal standard and are in contention to, perhaps, get this…overtake Newcastle for 4th?
I can not wait until what Arsene Wenger has to say about Arsenal’s performance/chances/future is nothing more than an interview with an ex-Manager.
@vibe4arsenal,
He’s becoming somewhat more bearable recently, but yeah like you, I’m still struggling to wipe away the memory of his incredibly smug, delusional, and arrogant behaviour over the last few years. He’s been shamed and chastened back to reality, and at the moment that’s probably the biggest plus of the season so far.
Overall, I’m enjoying watching us play again. Santos is a tubby chancer but it makes a pleasant change to see a left back with a clue in the final third, and his relaxed and care free vibe seems to permeating around the squad. Hopefully we are now less likely to capitulate under pressure. Gervinho as well is a breath of fresh air, if a frustrating one.
@Mazza,
I would like to be able to get back the spark you’re feeling. Maybe it doesn’t travel well over water. Maybe when the NFL and the Giants become less compelling.
I do find it telling that the thread that’s gotten the most replies in a couple of weeks has to do with AW possibly moving on.
Thanks for posting this (even if it buries my earlier one….) Maybe people are posting elsewhere or maybe they’re just hoping for the other shoe to drop (sending us spiraling down to our natural level in the bottom half of the table…..) or maybe the notion that the manager isn’t a completely inflexible megalomaniac is too much to bear. Who knows…..
The thing that bears mention or (in my case) repetition is that while it appears AW sold (fans/ownership) a vision of a faithful youth team as a means to both financial austerity (during the stadium development) AND on-pitch success, he seems willing to admit the flaws and lack of (total) success in the plan. Given such admissions it would (almost….) seem as if portraying the manager as blind/stubborn/etc. doesn’t hold water…..And the “success” of the project (now deemed over) maybe bears some recognition given the way other clubs are tossing money (and debt) around….Certainly we seem well positioned for future success, including ALL THAT MONEY IN THE TRANSFER FUND……Not wasting it (see for example yesterday’s Chelsea/Liverpool match) to APPEASE SCREAMING FANS, maybe, possibly, can be a good idea, sometimes, maybe…..(Who knows, some bigger contracts to retain our best players might be a way to spend some of it…..)
The desperation buying in late August seems to have plugged the (serious) leaks and we have a little more grit and spirit in the squad. With some luck (result AND injury wise) maybe this new, more pragmatic version of the squad can match (or actually exceed) the “failed vision” of recent seasons and maybe allow the Club to keep our best players AND make some of our more “traditional” buys (for example those two young-and even younger-winger types from Southhampton) which might bear greater fruit over a longer period….including a post-Wenger era….
@HighburyTerraceSteve, yep. We’re fixed.
Wenger did it again.
Arsene’s Magic Hat.
A magician he is.
We sold Cesc and Nasri, made a boat-load of cash, and we’re even better than we were last year (are we?)…
awesome.
I can understand why folks aren’t posting. What is there to say, when its fairly obvious the team is playing well in the short term, and you are accutely aware that we are not a contender… that we are a few injuries away from being mid-table… and you PRAY that the club go out and get the necessary talent level of players in Janaury to put us back in the hunt for WINNING, not just competing…. but deep down, you dread knowing that its not likely we’ll spend the many millions we made in the Summer…
HTS, you seem to be in the “we’re back” camp… and happy with what we have… if you are, so be it…
I am happy that we’re playing better….
I like Theo as a player, and always thought he had the potential… RVP is on an amazing run… and Gervinho is a welcome addition.
Good on Arsene and Arsenal.
Now ADD TO IT.
I, like many others, just don’t want to see Wenger think he’s been right by selling of star players, and not replacing them with proper talent… because we aren’t any closer to winning a trophy.
If he were to go, we’d still be the same team, i.m.h.o…. and we might be able to go on in a new direction.
But if he buys proper talent in January… more power to him…
@stag133, One step at a time… I’m happy we’re moving in the right direction…
I think he’d be perfect for PSG.
They can pay him crazy money to manage their team, and he can even under-spend even though they have billions at their disposal!
Bon Soir!