An all too familiar place for Arsenal fans.
This has become all too familiar territory for the Arsenal faithful. A summer of strife, turmoil, conjecture and frustration. It started with Vieira, Henry, Fabregas, Flamini, Nasri, and others. But every summer since 2005 it seem Arsenal’s best players are leaving. In the last few years at more alarming quantity. That’s why the announcement yesterday of Robin Van Persie’s sale to Manchester United should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Back in July when Robin Van Persie issued his statement that stated did not intend to sign a new contract with Arsenal and questioned the direction of the club under Wenger and Gazidis, the writing had been on the wall. Many of us still held out hope that a resolution could be found.
Surely with the signings of Giroud, Podolski, and Cazorla the club had shown enough “ambition” to make Van Persie rethink his position at Arsenal. There are even a variety of stories suggesting he had and it was the club who had reached the conclusion that Robin had to be sold.
Surely Wenger’s recent statements TF1 bare that out:
“When you can’t succeed in extending the contract of a player that is in its last year, there is no other way but to let him go. It’s sad because he played for us for eight years. He’s 29 now. He was 21 when he came and it’s another bitter pill to swallow.”
It’s further speculated in the BBC that Robin Van Persie had been told prior to Sunday’s friendly that he was no longer in the club’s plans and they would sell him if they got a good offer for him. That offer by all reports came in on Tuesday.
When Van Persie released his statement and returned to training at Arsenal, Juventus, Manchester City and Manchester United all lodged bids with Arsenal for the striker. All three were way below the valuation the club wanted for him.
As time went on Juventus were ruled out because of the growing brouhaha surrounding their manager and match fixing. Manchester City would soon be ruled out because Robin did not want to go there. That meant it was up to United to meet Arsenal’s value. As of last week the deal looked dead because United did not seem willing to go past £15 million and Arsenal were seeking in excess of £20.
In the end the club are reportedly set to make £22.5 million + £1.5 million on the sale of a 29 year old with a dubious health history. In pure business sense it’s absolutely highway robbery.
What is getting in my crawl and the crawl of other supporters is not that we sold Van Persie. It’s who we sold him too.
Year in we are told the United as an aging group are in decline and won’t challenge for titles. Well that aging corps of players, sans the best CB in the league in Vidic and midfield that needed the retired Paul Scholes to come out of retirement came within a few goals of winning the league. Should Robin actually manage to stay healthy again, then you can make the case that his goal scoring ability definitely should give Manchester City a cause for concern – especially considering the fact they’ve only added Everton’s Jack Rodwell to their title winning squad.
In the end this sale hurts because we’ve strengthened a rival’s hand. And this too Wenger knows:
“To strengthen an enemy is the other negative point of this loss,” he said. “We wanted to avoid it but we couldn’t. Honestly, I’d rather sell him abroad, to Paris Saint-Germain for example.
“Manchester United know him and know his qualities. He’s really an exceptional player, believe me.”
I am not ready to throw in the towel and say we are likely to miss out on Champion’s League or even contending for silverware. I am certainly buoyed by the fact that the three additions at a very minimum – very minimum I said – can replace Van Persie. More hopefully, they likely can give us more as the attack becomes more distributed across a front three of Podolski, Giroud, and Walcott.
Additionally, I am salivating at a midfield that features the strength and creativity of Cazorla combined with the steady and strong play of Arteta. Throw in a returning Wilshere (at some point) and it all looks rosy.
Sure there are defensive questions. But I don’t hold much weight in the pre-season and I would say its too early to see how much an impact Steve Bould’s defensive work has had on the club. The defenders all are impressed if their quotes on the subject mean anything. Obviously the defense is short without the presence of Bacary Sagna but he should return in September.
Those factors alone are why I won’t proclaim this the apocalypse. Sure, the cynics and anti-Wengerites will be calling for blood and declaring the end of Arsenal as we know it. It drones on like a wailing bass drone on the bagpipes. The fact is no one knows how this club will respond. Me personally? I have hopes and fears.
I saw a club pull together in the biggest display of teamwork last season and pull itself out of an early death spiral. I saw a club overcome the loss of player in Fabregas who is arguably more important to Arsenal than Van Persie was – who doesn’t think we would’ve scored more with his creativity – especially in the last 6 or 7 games?
When players leave, other players step up. I don’t see any reason why this will be any different. But I do worry. The club needs to continue to invest. The 3 signings are good – they are impressive. But there still needs to be more and I don’t mean that in a greedy “I want more” kind of way. I mean it in “let’s give this title thing a right go.” Depth wins titles and while Giroud and Podolski add to our attack, depth in the squad will only enhance our ability to sustain a true title charge.
Look, losing a player like Van Persie is never a good thing. The only thing that may limit that (it will never go away) is winning. Arsenal need to make a sustained and robust push for silverware this year. Settling for Champion’s League qualification just won’t suffice this year.
The goals must be twofold – win silverware and finish above United (and Spurs of course). To that end the money gained from the Van Persie sale must go right back out and add to the squad. If not then there will be challenges. Like hoping Giroud and Podolski don’t need time to acclimate (I’m not worried about Cazorla acclimating). Should Giroud and Podolski misfire early for the club and the goals not come there will be cries. Another forward is needed to rotate and help make the transition easier.
Alex Song
I want to switch gears but not really because its all part of the same narrative. Word is that Arsenal and Barcelona have agreed to a £15 million fee for Alex Song. I need to stress that there is nothing substantive from any British outlet. This is all coming from local Barcelona press and you know if there is anything more unreliable than the English press, it’s the Spanish press.
However, this is what is known, it does seem that Song has worn out his welcome at Arsenal. There has been growing frustration surrounding his attitude. I am not sure what that means but quite a few people connected to the club have said that Wenger personally has told Song he is free to leave the club.
This would be a stunning development in addition to the sale of Robin Van Persie. I’m not the biggest of Song fans. While his alter-ego “Songaldinho” offered us glimpses of his talent overall I would rate him as inconsistent. I always felt that our defensive line when together is made up of solid players. However, when they don’t get support from a holding midfielder they are placed in a precarious position and left out cold on certain occasions.
The last few games of the season a lot of the goals we gave up were directly created coming from the middle of the pitch. We didn’t have Arteta who played a good cover for Song as he went forward. Combine that absence with Song’s lack of positional discipline they back four especially at centre was exposed.
So, if I am honest I am not concerned about the sale of Song. Where I get concerned about is whether or not they sell him and the money is not revinvested. I don’t see Coquelin as being ready. Nor is Frimpong. Both need time. They may come good but that does not good right now. I am hopeful that Arsenal have a plan in place to replace him when sold. It could be Sahin as has been widely reported or it could open to the door to finalizing the deal with Rennes for M’Vila. There is also the possibility of Capoue who Wenger got a firsthand look at last night.
In any case the sale of Song won’t be a big loss if they do the right thing and quickly use the funds to invest in the club.
And if Song goes that’s two good players gone in a summer. As I said at the start of this piece – it’s an all too familiar situation we find ourselves in. Any hope that this summer would be different has been dashed. Arsenal are on the back pages for all the wrong reasons. And to me that hurts more than anything.
I love my club. I hate seeing my club the object of ridicule and continued conjecture by those who delight in our misfortune. I want nothing to smugly look at them and say piss off. I did it last season and I hope to do it this season. I want to get back to that familiar place we enjoyed – winning. Then I know I can smugly tell the cynics to – well you know.
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You really can’t see it? Wenger fawns and indulges RvP for seven bad years, each and everyone typified by Robin spending long and frequent periods in the treatment room and then gingerly rehabilitating. The team struggling on the field due to the absence of our ‘great attacking player’. Next season, starts with wishful hopeful comments about his fitness followed by the same nonsence. All the time he is being paid his lavish remuneration and the club bears the downside.
Then, the sun comes out. Incredibly he has an injury free season. The first ever. He scores a lot of goals in this breakout season (the same as Henry did every year). Just maybe Wenger’s unique patience will be rewarded, maybe Robin the beneficiary of Wenger’s fatherly attitude would ‘come good’ and repay over the next few seasons not only Arsenal’s enormous seven year investment but also and perhaps more importantly Wenger’s personal commitment to Robin’s career.
But no, after one good season Van Persie thinks of only himself, he ignores everything Arsenal has done for him and thinks of the new opportunities that his one good season might now offer. What about repaying Arsenal and Wenger for what is in football unusual and uncommon grace? Forget it. He IGNORES the manner in which he has been treated, engineers an immediate transfer (remember his statement?) and joins the club and manager most hated by Arsenal and Wenger.
What a first class smuck. This is the most cynical classless act of selfcenteredness that I’ve observed. It surpasses Cole, Adebayor and Nasri – none of them enjoyed the same level of indulgence that Van Persie did. There was nothing unusual about them they just played and then left, albeit with a bit of acrimony.
What next? What is Van Persie’s legacy? What if Diaby comes good this season and then engineers a move away? Or maybe Rosicky. Van Persie has proven in the most extreme way that clubs should treat players with no sentiment whatsoever – they deserve nothing better.
Marseille manager José Anigo described the actions of Flamini “a beautiful treason”, I wonder what he’d say about the ingratitude of the Judas Van Persie?
@Kiwi,
So if RVP is Judas, the Wenger is suddenly the selfless martyr? No, I don’t see that. Wenger’s indulgence of RVP, like everything else, was a product of what worked for Wenger. Not some grand gesture of open-heartedness that was operatically betrayed. Wenger’s a business man. We all (mostly) agree AFC’s is about business first, sport (a distant) second. There’s no charity involved.
What is our biggest collective beef over the last 7/8 seasons? Arsenal puts profits before winning. Wenger thinks more like an Economics professor than a Football coach. RVP’s being interested his bottom line is somehow less noble or worthy than Wenger’s? Hell, at least Robin cares about winning something. Wenger’s still hoping the meek shall inherit the title.
Va Persie listened to the ‘little boy inside of him’ when making the decision to join United. Okay, first, ewww. Second, bullshit. Arsenal listened to the money.
Seco
Stagg, on RvP, praise him all you like, acclaim him as world class on the back of one good season out of eight. Overlook his constant injuries. Rant on, it’s what you are good at.
Robin van Persie is the biggest Judas of them all.
He prostituted himself to Manchester United.
He’s worse than Cole, Adebayor or Nasri. Van Persie owed Arsene Wenger and Arsenal Football Club a debt of gatitude that could only be repaid by 3-4 years of useful service. He gave one, got himself noticed and at first opportunity he rubbed his long-suffering managers nose in the muck. What a slut.
@Kiwi, best player on the team last year, and without him, we finish 8th!
you can be mad at him… but the club didn’t have to sell him…
and they didn’t have to sell him to Man United either.
how that’s his fault, that we chose to sell him to a massive rival who are 18 points ahead of us…
not sure, but surely you’ll find a way for that to be true.
I hope he scores 2 hat-tricks against Arsenal this season, and drops his drawers as he runs by Wenger …
;)
@Kiwi,
Worse than that sneak Cole? Or Ade and Nasri who openly mocked the club? Permit me our rare disagreement. I don’t blame RVRp for wanting to leave any more than I blame Fabregas. In fact, for the very reason you state. He’s a 29 year old, oft injured player coming off his best season. His window to both try to win something and cash-in is NOW. He would do neither at Arsenal. He made the best personal and professional decision.
The decision to sell him to ManU was Arsenal’s. Ruthless business and all that. AFC sets the tone for all of this behavior. I won’t blame the players who follow suit.
@vibe4arsenal,
No Edit button again?
@vibe4arsenal, Nobody
is a more despicable exGunner than Cole. Nobody can
compete with him when it comes to “doucheness”.
RVP wasn’t the best striker Ronaldo and Messi CLEARLY are on a Level of their own. But RVP is a great set up man that playes well behind a striker like Rooney.
I don’t want to see us sell to ManU but we had three options ManU ManC and Juve two of them had to pull out. Juve because of the coaching situation and the unwillingness to pay 35 mil.$ and ManC has 5 Strikers who all make huge amounts of money.
So we HAD to sell him you can’t just leave 35mil.$ on the table. And please don’t overlook the fact that he issued a statement and you just don’t do that shit. If he woudn’t have done that nearly NOBODY would have a problem with him. Do it like Song just STFU and go to your new club. I will never say a bad word about Song because he did it how you are supposed to do it.
@Ty, I don’t consider Ronaldo or Messi, out and out STRIKERS, they are forwards… but they aren’t playing alone up front, ever.
@Ty,
Agree about Cole. I’d think most Gooners would. Which is why I was surprised Kiwi dumped
RVP onto the same pile.
Working on that.
@Kiwi, similar sentiment to what you say but I am also angered at the club on this.
If rumors are true, then he could have been sold to Juve but Arsenal would not have made as much profit. Wenger
talked about PSG but I am certain if AFC offered him for a cut-price, then many clubs would have jumped in.
But that would not have been good business.
Like many mentioned, we expected RVP to leave, but NOT to MU.
If we had sold RVP even to City, we would better off. But to MU? Yaiks. But still, Arsene could have sold RVP somewhere else other than top teams in EPL.
@tAi, what other team do you know of that bid 23 million or anything close to that for van persie?
@joshuad, who cares?
sell him for 15, sell him for 12, sell him for 10…. you don’t sell him to the club that just beat you in the league by 18 points.
Do you think ManU will sell Chicharito to the highest bidder, if that is City, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Arsenal?
NOT A FECKING CHANCE IN HELL.
They already told Chelsea not to bother even asking, because they don’t sell to rivals, they don’t improve their competition.
Only IDIOTS do.
Of all the key players to have left since 2005, I think only Edu, Lauren, Freddie, Pires & Eduardo left with their status intact. Other than that, everyone else left with their reputation, loyalty or effort questioned. Started with Vieira and continued with Cole, Henry, Cesc, Nasri, Ade, Hleb, Flamini that once rumors of these players wanting to leave came out, the fans turned on them. The player’s behaviour tarnished whatever good they had done. Gilberto may have lost favor in the team but his attitude at his sale showed his class while Sol & Henry more than showed their true love by coming back and energizing the fans. The others would never warrant such feelings even if they mistakenly came back.
So either Arsenal seems to pick players with questionable attitudes or something at Arsenal turns players in this rotten frustrated disillusioned state. Now, the same pattern seems to be repeating with Song where his attitude is questioned, not for the first time it must be said as his on-off performances have shown in the past. The lack of trophies or the setbacks probably have a big part in any disillusionment these players have. Even Almunia, of all people, had some harsh words at his much delayed departure. The end result is that Arsenal, more than any other club, is one with such divided set of fans, where not only do fans turn on each other, but fans frequently are forced to turn on the players as well. A huge cloud of negativity always seems to exist at Arsenal, be it in the off-season, first half of the season, lack of signings in January window, or the collapse that takes place from March-April onwards.
@sachin, no worries.
Song will also be considered a JUDAS… when the club sell him to Barcelona this week.
He’ll be a bad guy, with a bad attitude, stupid hair, and not that good anyway.
Nobody is bigger than the club, except Arsene Wenger.
@stag133, don’t forgot his awful dance steps.
@sachin, ljunberg had a few unpleasant things to say when he left arsenal as well. i don’t know anything about song’s perceived “bad attitude” but he did say something that made me believe that if van persie left, he’d follow robin out the door. as for adebayor and vieira’s departure, they didn’t ask to leave but were sold by the club.
bottom line, wenger hit the mother load when he managed to inherit a team that had bergkamp, then sign vieira and henry. everyone is not cut from the same cloth as those guys.
@joshuad, Thanks, didn’t know that about Freddie. He also might
have been forced out so perhaps that had something to do with his words. With PV & Ade, I believe
they fall in the loyalty questioned bracket. PV was close to joining Madrid but opted to stay. Then he
was blindsided a year later. And he was not the only one. Many others have found themselves sold long
before they wanted to go by Wenger. Back in the day, those Wenger blindsides felt like good moves but
in the current situation many players who don’t contribute much remain.
Very nice to see old-timers like Kiwi and Vibe a little bit excited for the changing of the guard. I’m in agreement with Kiwi about the “value” of RVP, and I think he’ll be hard pressed to replicate his form at United. That said, I’m sad as well. He could’ve enhanced his reputation immeasurably by retiring a la Bergkamp. His chances for trophies at United are good, better than they would be at AFC, and he got his payday, who cares, I guess, if he’s not the focal point or the main man, Alex Hleb won a LOT more at Barca than he ever did with us, which can never be taken away….. Maybe, the world being what it is, these are the only values that matter…..
What it says about Arsenal is that it/we/they are a business, a brand. If you like it, fine, if you don’t, oh well. Again, this is the way of the world these days. In my country the new “populist” movement suggests that if a person shows up needing medical attention but cannot pay for it, the proper thing to do is to “let him die.”
But will Arsenal die? No, we’ll replace and move on, as should fans/supporters etc. It seems nothing less than pathetic to get up in the craw (i.e. the mouth, or the comments) of people who are content to support the brand….Intelligent criticism or actually watching the matches is one thing, but to wish out and out failure is another. Embrace the dark side, choose a better woman, Arsenal was just a young love, one that jilted you, couldn’t match your ambitions, etc., etc. but don’t deny her finding new loves of her own….
But now I’m comparing Arsenal to a woman, maybe a fickle one who demands that you pay more to see her special parts (get in her stadium or under her shirt, as it were. It’s just a business, here to rip you off, I’m told. SO DON’T LET IT. Buy the Android but not the I-phone. There’s no need to picket the Apple store, (Or if you must, at least offer me Jesus or Hare Krisna or something….)
Back to the political/economic analogy….As right wing hard cores will tell you, over time, ruthless business has a chance to prevail, just don’t expect it to be without a little human suffering. Working class families who used to support the Arsenal will still do so, but in the pubs rather than in the stadium. And at least the matches will be on TV. (Pity the Pompey fans who have to now root for Southhampton….or the Ranger fans who now go in for Celtic, I joke of course, they just support City or United or Chelsea now….) Maybe losing IS winning (as it is for the “protesters”) and if Arsenal fall into the Europa places (or worse) there could even be some cheap tickets now and again, so that they too can shake hands with the dinosaur….
My take (if you’re still reading….) is that selling to rivals, while heartbreaking to the fans, makes sense. ManU “need” to compete with City so RVP was the perfect purchase. Overpaying by several million (and several million per year in salary) suggests they intend to “compete” with their cross-town rivals, with the added benefit of thumbing their noses at us. It also lights a serious fire under the likes of other goal-scoring wannabees (Chicharito, Welbeck, Nani AND Rooney). Sir Alex may “never” sell to Liverpool but he took 25 million for Tevez in a heartbeat and, my guess is that (if the Red Sox money is still flowing….) the he or the next United manager will not hesitate to sell to the Reds.
The game is changing. The top players can command large salaries AND transfer fees. Contracts are getting bigger AND longer. It’s free agency for the lucky few. Eventually it will be reigned in through collective enterprise amongst the owners. In the meantime our management is adjusting and following this trend plowing a fertile field below the top clubs and finding proven players and signing them to long(er) term deals. To me, it doesn’t seem all bad.
There’s still some clear out to do, but the days of buying potential while denying stalwarts their due seems over. Players have more power and there will be no 1 year renewals for players over 30 unless they are morphing into coaches. We tend to focus less on salaries and length of contract because we’re not privy to the details, but I’m sure that players like Arteta (who took a pay cut to play for us but got, I think, a 4 year deal) will be the new norm. Others like Cazorla, Giroud, Podolski, Gervinho, Vermaelen, Santos, Sagna, Mertesacker and Koscielny are in their late 20s and are under contract until around the 30 year mark. If that group (plus a few other, younger guys) can stay healthy, perform to their DEMONSTRATED potential AND come together and show a little of that famous “collective spirit,” we might hold our position and maybe even pull some upsets. After that we’ll have to try and hold onto our best players, which as we’re seeing, is no small task, while constantly seeking value in up and comers and potential replacements.
It ain’t sexy but at least we can say, yeah, “he wasn’t all that” or “he only really had one good season” or, (worst case scenario) “yeah, he was pretty awesome, even when he played for us”….It could be argued that Arsenal fans get to see more quality players (for a year or two, at least, and not just riding the bench) than some of the bigger clubs (!)…..
But make no mistake. Arsenal are not getting pulled into the race to the bottom with the money-pit clubs. There will be no sell Torres for 50 million, buy Andy Carroll for 35 scenarios. Who was the big winner in that exchange?…. Newcastle, who borrowed a page from us and used the (obscene) profits to buy a bunch of cheap French speaking players and finish above Chelsea AND Liverpool. Is RVP another Torres? I don’t believe he is, and it hurts. I wanted to watch him and love him and see him finish his career an Arsenal legend….Now, of course, he’s dead to me….
Likewise, will Song be worth 15 million? Will he help Barca and will losing him hurt us? Again it reminds me of Hleb (Mazza where are you?….) but maybe he can outplay skinny Sergio or grow his hair into something resembling Puyol’s and be a bit less injured than him….
Call it lack of ambition, call it harsh reality, call it BS, it doesn’t really matter, it’s what the club is doing. We are playing for fourth (and maybe have a head-start on Spurs/Pool/Toonies– Who knows, we’ve got a whole new team!!) while hoping for upsets and over-achievement. The season starts in 2 days and hopefully it starts with 3 points, which I’d argue we NEED, given the emotion of the moment and tough trips to Stoke and Anfield before the window closes.
So, I that’s enough for now. Thanks again for the good reporting and the level head. Will there be a YAMA fantasy league this year?
@Highburyterracesteve,
Oh, I don’t like playing for 4th.
If that’s it I’ll soon be watching other sport again and using the wee small hours for sleep. ;-)
Also, not so sure this (4th is ok) direction will prove sustainable in the medium term. The acid tests are; crowd reactions, ticket sales, Wenger’s contract expiry. Wenger walked a tightrope last season, he has no goodwill cards left to play, more and more people are questioning his ‘values’ and ‘methods’. The untouchable aura has slipped and the guy looks tired, thin and old. Compare him to Ferguson. I just don’t buy the line that aiming for 4th is sustainable. AFC is too expensive to be an Auxerre lookalike. We’ve created a superclub infrastructure and we need a super team to feed its appetite.
@Kiwi, What’s the alternative?
Wenger serves at the pleasure of the owner (and his board)
and I see nothing to suggest we’ll be giving a player like
RVP 250k/week (with Song and Theo surely to get 150). What
would we guess Poldi, Santi and Ollie signed for? Surely
less than we’re already paying Arshavin to drink vodka and
eat blintzes….
It’s all fine and good to shout “Ambition” but Kroenke
measures his in dollars and cents. And, like the truly
disillusioned, he could win if Arsenal loses, if the rabble
become so loud and Usmanov is truly the hero/benefactor he
claims to be. So maybe the plan should be, as many profess,
to hope for failure….
For me, the middle ground is fine. Play the game by the
rules (i.e., just give me my 100 million and I’ll pick my
fantasy team; I won’t lose interest simply because I’m not
handed a head start) and try your best. Like we’ve BOTH
said, buying established internationals at their physical
peaks without a (vain) hope that they’ll remain loyal or that
we should make money if we sell them on, seems a worthy
change in policy. Maybe not enough to get me up at 1 or 2
in the morning for every match, but enough to set the DVR
(or VCR) and think they could be worth watching, just to
see if there’s some potential there.
I dunno, I’ve got big travel happening here shortly so I’ll
be less of a steady presence, but I’ll be there at 7 on
Saturday morning in the GDC. At least with Arsenal (in the
current whole-new-team playing in a more competitive league)
EVERY match is a big one…..
@Highburyterracesteve,
Aiming for 4th is admitting defeat. Aiming for 4th downgrades the whole mentality around the club. Each season we lineup for 4 trophies, the fact that our manager publicly admits to ditching 2 is a strategic error. We can compete for the FAC and CC – why not?
As for the league title, it goes to the club that accumulates the most points, it’s not a head-to-head contest every week against your rivals. Wenger won in the past because he was shrewder, ditto George Graham. Both had to dethrone a giant. This happens all the time all over Europe. The richest team does not inevitably win the league. Look at the German and French leagues last season.
The Champions League may be a harder target, but even then look at Chelsea. When they were at their weakest they won it!!!
I don’t buy into accepting the defeatist attitude permeating AFC. They need to box smarter. If they boxed smarter and used their financial wherewithal and startegically used their minority shareholder they could challenge.
@Highburyterracesteve, what’s a “vcr”?
We don’t know what to believe about Song and his real attitude. All I know is what I see, he’s a languid player who has made a decent contribution over the last couple of seasons and last season seemed to emerge as a player capable of taking a bit more responsibility. I’ve always cut him a bit of slack, when others bagged him I said he wasn’t that bad, and I think that has been proven to be right. I still think he’s a bit loose, but that’s partly Wenger isn’t it and to be fair he played in an ever-changing midfield. I reckon a Wilshere, Arteta, Song midfield threesome would be fine. I’m looking for answers not superstars in every position and Song to me is an answer. The loss of Wilshere, the perennial absence of Diaby and the meh performances of Ramsey meant we probably looked for more from Song than is reasonable. He’s an ok player not a carry-a-team-on-his-back Vieira type. It’s the story of the last 7 years. We have too many gaps and issues in the team which made everyone look a bit less capable than they actually are.
With Van Persie just remember he’s 29. Henry and Vieira left at 29. He’s had ONE good season, much like Adebayor. The issue really is that we waited and waited for seven years for Van Persie to ‘come good’. He finally did for ONE season and then sodded off at the first opportunity to our most bitter modern opponents. What snots me is how long we waited for the guy, we kept his ‘position’ as foci of the attack year after year, I bored you guys silly saying we should have bought in a true competitor to Van Persie, but no, we placed all our bets on this mug. Wenger indulged Van Persie at our expense and he repays him and us by joining Manchester United and Ferguson – Wenger’s most hated adversary. There’s gratitude and loyalty for you!! If I hadn’t predicted it I would say it was unbelievable. What it shows is that players are resources so we need to put our sentimental twaddle away and accept that reality. Sadly most fans can’t.
I happen to think that Manchester United have grossly overpaid on Van Persie. 65m pounds is an enormous outlay for a 29 year old with a horrible injury record. And save the line about ‘they’re not that type of injury’. Injury is injury. You either play or not. So let’s sit back and see if Fergusons gamble pays off for United. Rooney is the King at Old Trafford and seems to have Ferguson wrapped around his little finger – it’s not necessarily going to be easy for Van Persie to shape a role alongside Shrek. It’s like Arsenal signing Drogba in his prime to play alongside Henry – get the picture? Superstar strikers don’t share the striking podium with another like-ego easily. Should be fun to watch.
@Kiwi, do we have to really do the RVP isn’t that good thing?
He was absolutely amazing last season… the best striker in the world… and CARRIED Arsenal to a 4th place finish.
Wenger has said that we were SELLING HIM all along, that Giroud and Podolski were replacements for RVP.
The club never intended on keeping him…
The issue is not selling your best player (thought is should be an issue)… its selling him to ManU.
I really find it laughable that people are actually questioning whether he will help ManU… its SOUR GRAPES.
When you are dealing with star players, and exceptional talent, which RVP is both… you get the player on your team, and he will provide and ply his exceptional talent …
What will be successful? 20+ goals for United? 40 between RVP and Rooney?
It allows them to REST both Rooney and RVP, playing really good young strikers in FA Cup and Carling Cup matches, and saving your stars for the big games…
then of course, you are questioning Alex Ferguson, being able to get the best out of a player…
do you think he’s not thought it over, whether it might work? how he plans to utilize Van Persie?
I mean, just because Wenger has shown that he has the tactical nous of a half wit at times… how can you
doubt Ferguson getting the best out of a player like VanPersie…
The two best teams in England, City and United… 18 points superior to the mighty Arsenal, were frothing at the mouth at the chance to get Van Persie … and its because he is a great player…. plain and simple.
so please… save the non-sense… enjoy the highlights of Van Persie and Rooney running wild on the EPL this season.
Hell, if they are on TV at the same time as Arsenal… I’d be just as inclined to watch United… as I would Arsenal.
We already know they play a better style, and a superior game… and have their best CB back in Vidic…
they are LOADED, and RVP just adds to to the firepower. It is NOT putting a square peg in a round hole.
RVP is a footballer… and a great one… and Fergy is a manager… the BEST in the EPL…
they’ll manage a way to make it work.
Is he overpaid? sure… who isn’t in the EPL… but do you think they care if it helps them WIN TROPHIES in the next few years?
NO. It doesn’t… because there is the difference between the two clubs. One is about winning trophies, and the other is about making money.
Let’s be honest about all this. Song is, on the whole, a very average player, yes he created a few goals but he is also one of the reasons that our defense was so frail. Rvp was very good last season BUT Podolski scored 21 goals last season for a team that got relegated, that shows how good he is. Giroud singlehandedly won the title for Montpellier last season so arsenal are a very good team the season and will push for the title, thats all we can ask for bearing in mind 2 good players have left
@a, Song hasn’t left (yet)…
and RVP was the best STRIKER in the WORLD last year… plain and simple.
Without him, we’d have finished about 8th.
He wasn’t “good”… he was other worldly.
The issue is simply… he was SOLD TO MANCHESTER UNITED.
That didn’t have to occur. They would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS sell one of their star players to CITY, ARSENAL, CHELSEA, LIVERPOOL… or anyone that they are competing against for trophies…
a) because that is IDIOTIC
b) because of what that signals as a club
Does that make sense?
Yes you said it, its that fact that our board/owner/wenger sold rvp to manu. This sadly reinforces the fact that we are NOT a top club…. let me ask does anyone think that if the situation was reversed and Rodney wanted to leave…would manu sell him to US….you can bet you life they wouldn’t!! They have pride and prestige to uphold… something which our club can no longer boast!
The days of Arsenal being respected as a TOP club have gone,destroyed by the directors who planned through move from Highbury on the lie that it would make US able to compete with the best…instead it is clear that they were cleverly making their shares worth millions and they sold out en masse making a killing!!! Now we have a board and owner who looks only for profit,not for success… we are a laughing stock from west to east London and from thesouth coast to Manchester…but the loudest is from a few miles away who showed US last year how to refuse to sell!!! (modric to chelsea).
We need to regain the pride and prestige we lost, by buying big and i would suggest 25mill for Llorente is a start, and if song goes all the money we receive for him MUST be spent on quality!
@David, as I suspected, I’m not the only one who GETS IT.
Very well said. 100% accurate.
Is Wenger revealing how incompetent he is or what? He has already shown AFC fans that they matter little or nothing, saying all these will only annoy AFC fans the more. Let them allow Song to go so as to go to league 1 or Southampton with 1million pounds to recruit another upcoming star for possible highest bidder. Let him give way for the likes of Chelsea, Man U, Man C who have ambition to actually nurture their ambitions. Pretense does not help. Fans have endured enough from wenger because its believed he decides who plays where and when. So now he should not complain about injury this and that, looking for excuses