“Flummoxed” Is it Arsene’s or Arsenal’s way
Ed Note: I’ve always said this place is more than just about towing the line. Every line of discussion is open. And it is why I bring you another well written ditty by one of our own regulars – CaribKid
It is now the off season of all off seasons, what with Arsenal under the guidance of Le Professor stumbling to a 4th place finish in the EPL, losing the CC to Birmingham, and was knocked out of the CL in the quarter finals by eventual winners Barcelona and exited the FA Cup via a 2-0 thumping by Manchester United in the quarter finals. To top it all, fans were then treated to a 6% rise in ticket prices and membership fees also escalated.
The team was booed off the pitch after their final home game during their lap of appreciation and Arsenal blogs worldwide verbally assailed Arsene, Arsenal, players, the Board and anything else associated with the club. In order to calm the storm Ivan Gazidis attempted to placate the masses at the AST event not too long ago by saying that they were aware of the failings and there would be substantial movement made during the transfer window to improve the club, notwithstanding that this must be done under the guidelines of their “extremely complicated “ self sustaining business model.
We have been linked to any and every player imaginable and rumors have been awash about players coming and going.
Our esteemed manager, Arsene Wenger, has said that we need a few things to complete the puzzle:
1) Keep the team together (stability)
2) More height in the squad
3) More experience (leadership)
4) EPL Experience
What complicates these salient points are firstly, Clichy and Nasri have contracts which expire next season, Denilson and Bendtner want out because of limited playing time and the ever growing saga of Cesc to Barcelona keeps rearing its ugly head with even our warrior at RB, Bacary Sagna acknowledging that Cesc wants to go home. Added to that is a host of underperformers who could be released, sold or sent out on loan. The likes of Vela, Arshavin, Eboue, Diaby, Squillaci, Traore and Rosicky all fall into this category, but outside of Vela and maybe Eboue, none really has much market value.
Personally, although I am a fervent admirer of Cesc I think he needs to go. 30-35M + Affelay would seal the deal and we solve the problem of lack of width with this one transaction. Cesc is honorable and will adhere to his contract, but his heart is at the Nous Camp with his best buddy Pique and his idol Pep G.uardiola. We all know if your heart is not in your job you can’t be the best you can be, and regardless of what anyone wants to say, as Captain this puts even further pressure on team unity in the dressing room. Who truly wants to play for a captain whom everyone knows wants to be somewhere else? The inherent problem is that Arsene built this team around Cesc and so will now have to go to Arsene MK 3 or is it MK 4, who the hell remembers at this point in time.
Is this stability? Absolutely not.
This leads us to points 2 – 4, height, experience and EPL experience. What we do know as fact is that we have signed a young, promising, versatile, 6’ 1”, RB who is British but plays for Finland because his mother was born there. My Grandmother was born of the family Clark in Northern Ireland, think I could get into the squad? Carl Jenkinson is a good signing with great potential and bleeds Arsenal due to his family ties. However, if he even has a minor positive impact on proceedings in the upcoming season we would all be pleasantly surprised. I surmise he passes two of the criteria but definitely fails the others.
Oxade-Chamberlain seems destined to be signed for somewhere in the region of 10-15M but fails most criteria and falls into that growing list of players with potential, most of whom, have failed to materialize their expectations. At that price tag he had better be the second coming of Thierry rather than the yet to come, coming of Theo.
After culling through all the crud from newspapers, bloggers, football and betting sites trying to capture headlines the consistent trend has more or less confirmed the following players are being pursued by Arsenal:
Defense: Sakho, Samba, Cahill, ******
Mid-Field/Forward: Gervinho, Hazzard, Willian and Alvarez from Velez
Striker: Benzema
The first three targets on defense makes a lot of sense and can find no fault with them although I would have to say only Samba and Cahill checks all the right boxes. After the defense, is where I become FLUMMOXED!
Bidding £16M on a short, young, inexperienced, unproven CB, Phil Jones?
Willing to spend £10M + on a young, inexperienced winger in Oxade-Chamberlain but quibbling about 12M for Samba.
Benzema is going nowhere under Mourinho and Hazzard has committed to stay with his current team. But, neither really checks all the boxes. Benzema has height, but then again not the experience, and Hazzard has neither. An unknown but versatile MF in Alvarez, a young but promising Brazilian MF in Willian and a upcoming star who plays in the French League, Gervinho, who would be going to the ANC along with Chamakh, Song and Eboue really doesn’t check the boxes specified by Arsene himself.
The question remains as to where the height, EPL experience and leadership is going to come from for the upcoming season. Excuse me if I am less than enthusiastic about what has transpired so far this off season, not so much in what we have not done, but more so in what the known intent appears to be.
After mulling through all these rumors I have yet to see a clear purpose and direction of where Arsene is looking to take this club next year in terms of football style and strategy in order to address our glaring weaknesses, and that is frightening. Granted, despite all these rumors nothing has been signed, sealed and delivered, so I may eventually end up having to eat my words.
Neither Gazidis or Arsene has shown any signs that they are willing to bring in additional coaching and tactical nous to assist the Emperor who personally supervises every training session, goes on scouting trips to Europe and South America, personally gives pep talks to the youth team, acts as custodian and financial advisor for the Arsenal budget, does commentary for French TV in the off season, watch other EPL teams during the season to ascertain tactics, give pre and post game interviews after games, consults with both the British and French FA regarding players and strategies, interviews the Physio’s for injury updates, consults with ground staff to ensure proper preparation of training and match day pitches, and conduct team meetings. Ooops, I forgot watching game film, directing the kitchen staff to ensure proper nutritional output. Ooops, slipped up again, forgot to mention that he is married and has a daughter.
What a lazy wanker!
On the flip side, looking at that work load makes me want to puke. Intrinsically I’m lazy and that’s why I have lived my professional career by two basic tenets, division of labor and delegation of authority. The saying “Jack of all trades and master of none” would seem to be applicable to the manner in which Arsene is trying to run the club and if this continues will surely run it into the ground.
What is even more surprising is that Kroenke does not see this. As an astute entrepreneur who has built himself up into a multi-billionaire, (and no, we are not talking about his wife’s billions), he must surely realize that Arsene has overextended himself and that the football staff needs to be shaken up a bit. Even if Arsene thinks he doesn’t need help, he really does, and Kroenke is the only one who can force that to happen.
Professional sport franchises have very narrow windows of opportunity to establish themselves as super clubs and must take advantage of the window if and when it comes, or fall from grace like Leeds, Juve and many others. Barca, Real, Manu, Milan,Yankees, Lakers and more recently the Red Sox and Chelsea have all utilized their opportunities and established their brand. Arsenal has had this window but it is now being closed very quickly.
Like it or not, advertisers only want one thing, WINNERS who attract attention from a large and expanding fan base. Having the greatest marketing team in place to create your brand is useless unless they have something to market. Arsenal is slowly falling out of that category and could easily end up being just another “good team”.
Yes, because of our prudent financial model, location in London, high capacity stadium and a captive fan base we should always be decent. If you can deal with those lowered expectations then you have no reason to complain and will want things to continue as they are. That’s not my style. As an ardent Arsenal fan I want the best for my team, I want Arsenal to be a “Super Club”, I want them to be the best of the best and not just pretentious challengers.
No, I’m not advocating Arsene be fired at this point. My advocacy is that unless he gets coaching assistance immediately, Arsenal will fail to win trophies next season and somewhere the uproar of fans and the inability to market a losing team, it will force Kroenke and the Board to send him packing in a rather undignified manner. I can’t imagine a single Arsenal fan would want to see Le Professor leave under those terms after all he has done for the club. Personally, I would prefer to see him leave in a blaze of glory astride a princely white stallion and head back to France as a regal but humble Saxon conqueror where he can become part owner of a Lique 1 team which has an excellent Academy and plays great football.
PLEASE ARSENE, wake up in time or your hard founded legacy will be forever tarnished.
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A few years ago I’d have to pay someone for this informoatin.
Overmars and Petit went to Barca without much fuss. Henry’s deal was stretched, Hleb not so much but more time was spent on his rumors to Inter. Cesc rumors have been on for ages now. The question is after Cesc, who next to Barca? Barca are using DNA logic for Cesc and I am sure Xavi can verify that as he is the official saliva tester to look for Barca DNA in soccer player on the planet (you can look up pictures of how he gets that saliva yourself).
But there was no Barca DNA in Henry or Hleb. Yet, this eternal rumor cycle of exits from Arsenal (to Barca or Madrid or wherever else) goes on. It has nothing to do with money but with trophies. Unless Arsenal win trophies, this endless cycle of rumors will not stop. But don’t expect that to filter through to Wenger or Ivan. Of course an easier solution to making rumors stop is by ensuring Arsenal are only stocked with players like Denilson, Diaby, Almunia and Bendtner. Interestingly, such a scenario is not too far away either.
Three excellent nuggets from the comment boxes at AT:
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Buying experienced players like Samba will only get Arsenal another top 4 finish (not buying them could easily make us 5th – Wenger knows this at least). New signings wont win us the big ones. For that you need a manager who knows what he is doing, who makes the right decisions at difficult times throughout the season. Wenger has shown consistently that he cant make the right decisions.
It’s the manager that really wins the trophies. Good managers identify when players need rest, and when squad players are playing well in training and deserve a run in the team. Good managers know when the formation needs switching to match the talents of the players in the team, or to counter what the opposition are doing. Wenger cannot do these things. Of course, we can be flat track bullies and thrash a few teams, and even have 60% possession every game, but ultimately it counts for nothing.
Chelsea have just got themselves a great manager. Watch and see how a proper manager works. Never thought I’d be jealous of the chavs.
And yes Wenger has been over paying squad players for years. Our wage bill is much higher than it should be given the players we have. We pay out about 15% more than we need to. Thats about £15-20m a season too much in wages. It not only robs us of important money, but means we cant get rid of fringe players because other clubs wont meet those wages.
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TWO:
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1. Wenger has no coaching ability, beyond keepy-uppys and passing in triangles.
2. Wenger has no tactical nous, so can’t put out a team that will contain, nullify, play with width – whatever is required on the day. He’s not even prepared to change things around when we’re throwing a 4-goal lead down the shitpan.
3. He’s got an unhealthy love affair with French players – or players playing for French clubs
4.His stuborness in transfer negotiations means we always miss out at the eleventh hour – for the sake of a few lousy grand.
5. He overpays underworkers.
My prediction for what its worth:
Nasri will STAY but on even more money
Cesc will go with a whimper and for less than Wenger’s valuation
We will still be left with deadwood at the start of next season – I suggest it will include Rosisky, Eboue and Diaby
We will finish 7th at the end of next seaon with no cups either.
Depressing
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Same shit, different season.
Until Wenger, the Cancer at Arsenal is done away with, expect nothing but hilarious failure and pathetic excuses. Losing the likes of Cesc and Nasri but hey guys: Vela has announced he is defo staying, Eboue signed a new contract, Rosicky, Denilson and Diaby will all remain! Happy times!
And maybe if Diabolical Diaby threatens to leave, we could make him captain eh? Who knows he could even wear his Spurs shirt!
Wenger has turned our great club into some rubbish, comedy club French pussyhole circus.
It is a joke, and it is 100% down to him. Wenger Out. Now.
I refuse to entertain the signing of crap like Gervinho, people getting moist over SAMBA? That lumbering oaf who took 7 goals at Old Trafford? Here’s the hint: if a player is DESPERATE to join Arsenal, then he can’t be that good. The top players, want to join winning clubs with great managers: Alexis Sanchez, Falcao, Phil Jones, Ashley Young, De Gea, Benzema etc.
If a player wants to desperately join Arsenal, you should be very concerned. It means he is probably French or African, and that he can see an easy gravy train ride, with the possibility to be as mediocre as you want forever, whilst picking up fat wages….and the minute you have a good season, you can piss off to a proper big club with a proper manager like Man United or Barca!
The fact that Gervinho and Samba are begging to join Arsenal shows that they clearly aren’t good enough. Or they’d be looking to join a club that wins trophies. The fact we are fighting Newcastle off for Gervinho and Matuidi (two crap French/African players Yawn), says it all.
Sick of this bunch of overpaid useless French-African clowns.
The biggest clown of course is the c**t calling himself Arsenal manager. Arsene Wenger.
Yes. He’s a c***t. And a Disgrace to this club, a serial losr who can’t even take care of Brum in a cup final!
@Fred,
That last comment is spot on.
There’s a certain type of player Wenger goes for that is starting to irk in the extreme. “Needy” players looking for a father figure. Because Wenger has a fondess for French/African players and has developed them well in the past, it seems every half-decent one dreams of being taken under his wing for a nice cosy ride in North London.
You never get confident calculated types wanting to play for Wenger, Ibrahimovich perhaps, or Samuel Etoo, players who like to strut and don’t need to be molly-cuddled. It’s always some clown like Diaby or Eboue. Kolscieny seems like another timid little lamb in that mould as well, though he’s shown some signs of potential.
I wonder how true the rumors are that AC Milan are interested in Fabregas. If so, then good- maybe they can start a bidding war and scare up the price. Unless that happens we are stuck in the undesirable position of having only one club (and it happens to be the best club in the world) bidding for our player, and our player (who happens to be our best player by miles) only wanting to go to that one club. Not a good situation if you’re trying to cash in. But if Milan enters the scene, we can get something decent.
@ChicagoGooner,
I’m just sick and tired of the Cesc Fabregas saga. It’s been two years of constant tapping up by both Barca players and club officials culminating in rather spurious and denigrating offers for one of the top MF’s in the world.
I absolutely don’t even want to hear his name again in the media unless it’s to report he has been sold for 45-55 M.
Arsenal is also guilty by being reactive rather than proactive in this transaction. How insulting is it that a Barca official travels all the way to London to meet with Gazidis and makes an offer of 27 M. If I was Ivan, I would have basically told them not to waste my time unless they are within 5-10 % of what Arsenal has stated as their acquisition target amount.
Here is a formal letter I would have drafted by the Arsenal attorneys and which would be formally presented to Barcelona.
Dear Mr. Asshole (okay, Boselli)
It has been made clear by you and other official members of your staff that you would like to purchase the contract of one Cesc Fabregas and you have also made an official but insulting offer considering the status of the player concerned.
Arsenal’s absolute position on this transfer request is as follows”
1) Cesc is under contract for the next 4 years and we will not consider one penny less than;
a) 50M cash
b) 35M cash and the rights to Ibrahim Afellay
2) If the above conditions are not met and we experience any overt or covert attempt on the part of your club officials and/or players to influence the outcome of said transfer, we will file a law suit for damage under the grounds of tampering and will also file due litigation of such to FIFA.
3) Any such offer made which would be deemed reasonable by Arsenal as stated in in Item 1 above will have to be made by July 1st in order to facilitate squad restructuring. Ergo, no offer for the acquisition of Mr. Cesc Fabregas services will be entertained after that point until the end of his contract which has a duration of another 4 years.
Sincerely yours,
Ivan Gazidis
PS. Put up, shut up or go fuck yourself
Nuff said
:laugh: :rotfl: :devil: :reallypissed: :reallypissed:
@ChicagoGooner,
Here’s another sweet trick to play on Barca.
Openly offer him to Real Madrid and let the shit hit the fan. Let’s see how much they treasure Barca DNA.
@Caribkid, When rumors about Madrid surfaced a few months ago, I thought that would be ideal for Arsenal as it could cause Barca panic. But it would never come down to that because Arsenal share a very “sweet relationship with Barcelona” which involves offering their training ground to Barca only to see Shakuyol pull off a tweet stunt. Argh. I wonder if by an impossible chance Arsenal would sell Cesc to Madrid, would that mean Barca fans will throw cell phone and a pig’s head when Cesc enters the Nou Camp in a Madrid shirt? That would be the ultimate insult. But Arsenal are just too nice to let that happen.
@sachin,
You know what they say, “Nice guys finish last”.
@ChicagoGooner, Why are people hung up on the AMOUNT he is sold for.
Whether is 27 Million, 35 Million, or 50 Million, ARSENAL are not going to spend it on players coming in… at least they NEVER have before after selling of their best / player – captain.
History says we will POCKET the profit… and the AKBers will bellow: “good business”!
I could not care less on the amount. 30Million for 1 player is too much for ANY player, right? Since we never PAY that type of money for a player, why do we care what we sell him for?
I just don’t get it.
Good work CK. Filbert is a good size for one’s prostrate (as opposed to say Walnut or Brazil Nut), according to my proctologist, so I figure a “philben” is pretty close…..
I too am getting anxious about the silly season and would like some transfers to be finalized sooner than later. This August is a crucial month for the team, which it shouldn’t be, had we taken care of business in April and May. Must we attempt it before we know which mercenaries are in and which are out?…..
CK breaks it all down and asks WTF, AW? The real problem is that AW, et al, have been feeding the media and the fans a steady stream of misinformation for as long as I’ve been watching the team. While it may have its purpose(s) and it may not be a problem when things are going well, it rankles (big time) during this low ebb. We have no real way of knowing what the management is really thinking and/or doing. Eventually we’ll have a squad, put it out on the pitch and the results will happen. Only then can we truly judge what’s going on this close season.
Unfortunately, however (for me, at the moment) it doesn’t seem very promising, and I agree with CKs assessment that the “window” for success is getting squeezed tighter and tighter. Arsene/Arsenal’s approach, while somewhat laudable (in theory) doesn’t seem to be working. The ideal of a tightly knit squad of happy, well paid youngsters coming together in conquering fashion has failed to materialize. By achieving CL football year after year (but not more) and offering salaries to unheralded players (i.e., not paying big transfer fees) we’ve created a place where the lucky ones come, get paid, give it a go, hope for the best, shrug their shoulders then say, “Hey, I’m at Arsenal so I must be good, but now I want either more money or a (real) shot at trophies and true stardom.”
Seeing many of these players over time, we fans should know better and be happy to see their backsides, but we also have been burnt by the varied success of the transfers in. Some argue that money doesn’t matter, just find a bunch of cheap, great players. Sounds good, (sorta like trying to meet the world’s next Supermodel at McDonalds…..) and I’m sure AW and Ivan and (maybe) even Boro and Giles and Silent Stan are trying to wave their magic wands to make it happen. Only the latter (along with that Fat Alisher fella) has the thing that actually might create some reasonable chance that our average transfer in (gamble on?) players might outstrip our rivals. While Stan (and the Uzbek) stand pat, it’s the same old, same old attempt to hold onto our players (until the price is right or the contract expires) while searching for diamonds in the rough. All told I think we’ve created the opposite of a “collective belief” and created an atmosphere where it’s all about polishing the individual elements, while praying for them to come good in a way that actually helps the team. And from what I’ve been told about polishing, you can do a ton of it and a turd is still a turd…..
We need something (almost anything) to actually HAPPEN! It IS particularly frustrating when we see our rivals going out and getting it done. Between Wayne Rooney and Ashley Young and Michael Owen, Man United now have an English Olympic team capable of sweeping ALL the diving medals. (Luckily English Refs are the world’s best and don’t fall for such tricks…..Nor give fouls against nice English boys like Rio and Smalling and Jones…..) A deadline day swap of Owen for Steven Gerrard might be the only tinkering they require…..And beware the next Portuguese wave at Chelsea and whatever ManCity spend their money on. (Oil’s down to $91/barrel so maybe they’re waiting on a rebound there before “splashing” it…..)
Finally, (and thanks to any and all who are still reading….) I shouldn’t have quoted Stag w/o digging through the archives to see what was actually said. I will ask whether or not he feels it’s safe yet for the DAG to send me my Sagna kit (for winning the YAMA fantasy league). When I first suggested that I wanted it I was told that “Sagna is coveted by a few big name teams, like Real Madrid. So, if the price is right, we’ll likely ca$h him in….” I’m fairly confident Bac will be back, but I should probably hold off until Sept 1st……
@highburyterracesteve,
Thanks dude, you are now my hero for winning the fantasy pool.
Sagna, Wilshere or CZ should be a safe bet.
:laugh:
@highburyterracesteve, I hope and pray that Sagna is not sold to ANYONE. He’s our best defender.
If you want to be REALLY safe, get a “4” Vieira shirt! or maybe “8” Wright…
That way, you’ll always be in style! :skeleton:
It’s okay guys, being in the IT field for over 30 years I have broad shoulders.
A response like that only imparts that the writer has extremely limited mental and intellectual competence.
I do seem to have a gift for stirring the souls of of the intellectually challenged. :)
Good Article Carib… I agree with much of what you say…
We are 3 WEEKS away from our Asian Tour… and we have done NOTHING. Am I wrong to think we will be in training before we go to Asia? so … training in 2 weeks or less, and we have the same FECKING TEAM as last year!
What the hell is going on over there?
Let me ask this… what if we do NOT sign anyone of note, and basically come back with the same team? What would the reaction be to that?
At the moment, its certainly possible. :skeleton:
@stag133,
When have Arsenal ever done anything out in the open and in the time and mannaer that anyone other the club themselves want to do it in.
First of all no signings can “officially” occur until July 1. That is typically and historically when the announcements are made by the club. Sure, free transfers can happen and deals can be mentioned but nothing can be announced in the EPL until July 1.
As for things happening – it does look Vela (at least according to this agent) is staying with Arsenal.
I suspect it will be difficult to get rid of many of the players and alot will go out on loan – similar to what City had to do with its surplus players it didn’t want any more. Let’s face Denilson, Rosicky, vela and others aren’t exactly barn burners. Teams that do want them are going to want them cheap. So either Arsenal eat cash or send them out on loan so they can play and build (hopefully) value again. I think that is more likely to happen then a host of sales.
According to Bendtner’s father Dortmund are going to submit a a bid of around £11 million for Nicky.
But its all speculation because of how the club does business. It sucks but its the way they do it.
@DaAdminGooner,
What do you mean nothing can be announced? We announced Jenkinson didnt we? Man U announced Jones and Ashley Young. Several other EPL teams have done it as well these past few weeks.
Sure the start and end dates of contracts is usually July 1 … but that does NOT in any way affect when transfers occur as the players simply sign TODAY a contract that starts in July.
We are slow off the mark in a summer when we have SO MUCH to do. No need to jump thru hoops defending ’em.
@DaAdminGooner, DAG, really? teams are announcing signings all over the place! As Fred noted, so did WE, with Jenkinson.
So, what you are saying makes no sense at all… it sounds like something the Club would spew out.
Do you really believe Arsenal FC are waiting for July 1st in order to announce its signings? You can’t be serious.
And… according to reports… so it begins… The Cesc to Barcelona saga – Summer of 2011.
Barca have reportedly offered either 27 Mill GBP or 31 Mill GBP.
And Arsenal have refused.
So, I’ll ask again… if Cesc comes out and says… I want to go, please send me home… would you suggest Arsenal say NO, we’re keeping you regardless?
If it gets in the 30 – 35 Million range, and Cesc says… “please release me, let me go”… I feel its the right thing to do.
All while… we’re still fiddling, even though the season burned to the ground in March/April/May.
We need to make moves… the team that won the league is reportedly going to spend 80 Million this Summer…
Ashley Young, De Gea, and Modric.
How the fuck could we watch this and not act in a major fashion, if we are to have ANY hope of winning the league.
What possible explanation would there be… what excuse will the AKBers bellow?
same old shit… Arsene knows? We will improve? Our kids will blossom? We have major debt with the stadium? Playing nice football is the only important thing, not winning? REAL FANS don’t care if we win trophies?
Wenger. SHUT ME UP… and start signing and selling bodies.
@DaAdminGooner, DAG, really? teams are announcing signings all over the place! As Fred noted, so did WE, with Jenkinson.
So, what you are saying makes no sense at all… it sounds like something the Club would spew out.
Do you really believe Arsenal FC are waiting for July 1st in order to announce its signings? You can’t be serious.
And… according to reports… so it begins… The Cesc to Barcelona saga – Summer of 2011.
Barca have reportedly offered either 27 Mill GBP or 31 Mill GBP.
And Arsenal have refused.
So, I’ll ask again… if Cesc comes out and says… I want to go, please send me home… would you suggest Arsenal say NO, we’re keeping you regardless?
If it gets in the 30 – 35 Million range, and Cesc says… “please release me, let me go”… I feel its the right thing to do.
All while… we’re still fiddling, even though the season burned to the ground in March/April/May.
We need to make moves… the team that won the league is reportedly going to spend 80 Million this Summer…
Ashley Young, De Gea, and Modric.
How the fuck could we watch this and not act in a major fashion, if we are to have ANY hope of winning the league.
What possible explanation would there be… what excuse will the AKBers bellow?
same old shit… Arsene knows? We will improve? Our kids will blossom? We have major debt with the stadium? Playing nice football is the only important thing, not winning? REAL FANS don’t care if we win trophies?
Wenger. SHUT ME UP… and start signing and selling bodies.
One of the biggest loads of rubbish I have ever had the misfortune to read,you are so detached from reality you may not even live on this planet !!!!
Suffice to say AW is such a poor manager were he to leave Arsenal every single football manager IN THE WORLD would be looking over his shoulder wondering if he was the for the chop and replaced by Arsene.
You know nothing
Write like you know nothing
A Poor opinion is the same as knowing nothing. :reallypissed:
@Philbet, I think you need to clarify what you mean. What is it the writer has written that you disagree with? I don’t see where CK has said that Wenger is a poor manager just that right now his vision to move the team forward is unclear.
@Philbet,
AKB drivel.
Fred – if that’s all you got to say – maybe it’s better not to say anything. I don’t mind you disagreeing with @Philbet – but frankly I’d prefer less crap like this and actual debate.
@DaAdminGooner, DAG.
what can Fred say… when all Philbet responds with is that Carib’s article is rubbish. Philbet doesn’t going into detail about anything in particular… so how should we respond? We don’t do the silent treatment here, its a blog.
And it is why I also mentioned to Philbet that he should actually tell us what he found objectionable about the article – rather than the usualy crap. Come in and tell us what he thought was so bad about.
@DaAdminGooner,
There is absolutely nothing “crap” about my comment.
“PhilBet”‘s comment was literary “AKB drivel”. And as such it is very accurate for me to call it that.
If he had any points in there, I would rebut them, but when have AKBs ever had valid points.
My comment was an accurate description of his comment and I double down on it.