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Home›General›The Arsenal Axiom to the Ewing Theory

The Arsenal Axiom to the Ewing Theory

By Michael Price
May 28, 2012
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How many times have you wondered how a team that loses its star player manages to defy expectations and perform at a level no one expected it too? Think of 2009 Major League Baseball when the Seattle Mariners recorded the best record in baseball despite losing Randy Johnson (baseball’s best pitcher), Ken Griffey Jr, and Alex Rodriguez (baseball’s best hitters at the time).

For the baseball challenged think to Manchester United post Cristiano Ronaldo. In each case where this happens, where the teams superstar player has gone there is disbelief and scratching heads as to how this all can be.

There is an explanation however, it’s called the ‘Ewing Theory.’

What is the Ewing Theory you ask?

The Ewing theory was coined in the 90’s by David Cirilli who argued that any team that former NBA great Patrick Ewing was on (The New York Knicks & Georgetown Hoyas) played better when Ewing was missing from the squad either by injury or suspension.

Cirilli looked at other teams and found that there were ample enough examples of the Ewing Theory in action; he had to look no further than his own Connecticut Huskies.

In ’94-’95 the Huskies had been pegged to have a .500 season because “superstar” Donyell Marshall had departed for the NBA. The prevailing thought was that the Huskies relied too much on Marshall the previous season and couldn’t survive without him. But Cirilli told hid friends that the Huskies would thrive in Marshall’s absence — and that’s exactly what happened. By midseason, UConn was ranked No. 1 in the country for the first time in school history; the Ewing theory was born.
Cirilli wrote the Ewing theory as this:

A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).

That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) — and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.

When those elements collide, you have the Ewing Theory.

So why is this basketball derived theory applicable to Arsenal? First let’s alter the theory so that it applies to football

A star football receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his team never win anything substantial while he plays for them (other than maybe some enjoying cup runs into the quarter or semi-finals with a few cup finals thrown in).

That same football player leaves the team (either by injury, transfer, or retirement) — and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.

Not much different than the original but now maybe a little more understandable for those that don’t understand basketball or US focused sports.

So for Arsenal the most immediate cases would be the 07-08 Arsenal post-Henry transfer and this version of Arsenal after the sales of both Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri.

In the summer of 2007 amid concerns about the departure of David Dein, Wenger’s long-term future with the club, Thierry Henry acecepted a transfer to Barcelona for the fee of 24 million Euros. Immediately pundits had written off Arsenal.

Even before the actual transfer speculation was rife as early as March of 2007 that Henry would be off and that Arsenal would be silly to sell him. How could the compete without the fulcrum of their team. The man was the centre-piece of everything that went on at Arsenal, how would they be able to survive.
But they did and in that season with the additions of Eduardo, Sagna, and Diarra to name a few and a starting XI that regularly looked like this – Almunia, Sagna, Toure, Gallas, Clichy, Eboue, Flamini, Fabregas, Hleb, Eduardo & Adebayor. The team nearly ran away with the league. Until that February in Brimingham when Eduardo’s horrific injury took the team’s eye off the prize for a few games. The resulting draws and losses to Chelsea & United would eventually cost the team the title. But overall the club had VASTLY improved over the last season with Henry. It went from a total points tally of 68 in 06—07 to a tally of 83 in 07-08 with a more balanced team and less dependence on one player.

This season was difficult but there was areas of improved that the team did not have while Fabregas and Nasri were in it. Namely this was a team. And while some results would hold any argument of improvement to the fire, the fact is the team improved. You can’t exclude the start to the season but as the season wore on there was something about the 2011-2012 squad that made people like it more than any other squad since 2005.

This was a team. A group of players that seemed to enjoy playing together and for each other. They fought and for each other. Other traditions that had disappeared while Cesc was the leader of the group began to pop up again, like the honored tradition of saluting the home fans from the centre of the pitch. Additionally, the team managed to show that as a team they played better and could stand up to teams marked as ‘better’ than Arsenal. There were still some issues – namely in depth and defencive issues. But overall this team grew on people because for the first time it was recognizable as a team and not a group of individuals it seemed to be since the Invincibles were dismantled.

As good as Cesc and Nasri were, I have serious questions about whether or not a team with them in it would’ve actually been able to sustain a charge from 17th all the way to 3rd. The evidence suggests that the leadership just wasn’t there.

So what does this 980 word set up get us to?

Well, what is Arsenal going to be like without Robin Van Persie should he force his way out this summer. You could argue that the growth to a team happened under Van Persie’s role as Captain. You’d be right. But you could also argue that this team over relied on him and his 30+ goals.

The concern is already there, the press and opposing fans are already saying it, without Robin Van Persie Arsenal will not finish in the top 4. Sound familiar? It’s what they pretty much say whenever Arsenal lose a big player.

But as the Ewing theory contends and as Arsenal have shown, the club are bigger than any one player and can do fine without him. Players will be added. Withoutthe crutch that Robin Van Persie presents to the team players will be forced to step up. Plus I contend we didn’t seem to do so bad when Van Persie stopped scoring. Where we suffered was when Mikel Arteta was out of the squad winning only one game with him out of the lineup.

Of course, Arsenal want to keep Robin Van Persie. He was just great for this team for so many reasons. But to sit here and suddenly think that Arsenal will cease to exist because Robin will have moved on is ridiculous and the doom and gloom being spilled from fan girls and boys, pundits and opposing supporters is unfounded and frankly over the top already.

If Robin doesn’t want to be here I say let him go. Arsenal were here before him and did quite well and will be here long after him (and likely will do well).
Arsenal are only as strong as the team ethos that fills the squad. Wenger has moved away from his over reliance on youth players and brought in some strong experienced players into the team. They have helped form this squad into a team. The additions Arsenal have already made this off-season and look to add are only going to build upon that. Robin van Persie MAY go. No one knows except Robin and the club know what will happen. But we will go on. I suspect if the Ewing theory is right we may actually do better.

 

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  1. Ty 1 June, 2012 at 12:01 Log in to Reply

    Chelsea is going all in this off season. We will not finish above them again if we dont get more than Podolski to bolster our squad.

    Chelsea will have a creative midfield with Hazard and Mata and a defense that hold its own against Barca and Bayern. And a new Drogba in Hulk.

    They spending 100 mil dollar on two guys. So far we spend 15 Mil on one. But if you compare Podolski to Hulk than you have nearly equal value for 35 mil less.

    • stag133 4 June, 2012 at 03:23 Log in to Reply

      @Ty, So, if they win any trophies next year? does it count? because they spent big bucks?
      :)

      They got Hazard, Marin and going in for Hulk.

      How do you figure Podolski = Hulk?
      What makes you think they are equal players in any respect?

      That’s the Wenger thinking, that he can spend a fraction, and the players he gets are the same…
      That’s why we end up with Squillaci and Chamakh.

  2. HighburyTerraceSteve 30 May, 2012 at 16:36 Log in to Reply

    From below:

    So, Caribkid, agreeing with Stag? The world can be divided into you guys and us (the AKBs) with our excuses, rationalizations, etc.? Count me as (massively) disappointed….

    Obviously, I’ve given up on Stag. I know that he takes every rumor as gospel, believes that every player who plays for anybody else is better than our own and worth whatever outlay is proposed (or made) and that any hesitation is simply lack of ambition and GREED. Yes, it would be fun to hoover up all the talent, give them outlandish salaries and then let them compete for spots on the team….We’d be like City….or maybe (the new) Chelsea and we’d be in with a shout for any and all trophies, not to mention world domination….Schweet!!!

    Just a week ago, however, CK declared himself a pragmatist. Where did that go? And where is the subtlety of analysis I have come to expect (and respect)? Our ownership IS greedy (Kroenke, I believe, wants to make the most money in the history of sports ownership….) but there is still a chance that we can “hit our weight” given that constraint. To do so management needs to make correct valuations of players (including Sooper-Pooper stars like RVP) and then craft a team that works better than the sum of its parts. How might they do it? Maybe that’s what the intelligent Arsenal fan might suggest, rather than bleating, over and over and over, that we just need to SPEND and Spend and spend….

    So, yes, Vertongen (who I have not seen play–have you?) will likely go to Spurs (who need defenders badly) rather than to us as competition for Djourou and Squillaci (or maybe Mertesacker). And latest news suggests we do not appear to be making a move for a real playmaker (to replace Cesc)…. Why not Gorcuff, who maybe will be cheaper now that Blanc has left him off the French Euro squad? (Perhaps it’s because he’s always been over-rated and cannot get along with anybody who isn’t as pretty as he is…..When I last watched him, at the World Cup, he was well outplayed by a lanky guy named Abou Diaby…..) Obviously, we should’ve paid the 25 million pounds for Kagawa to play AM for us (even though I’ve always thought he was a winger), though, to be fair, I agree with CK that Ramsey is very much a dead end in that spot…..

    My point is….it gets ridiculous. If you haven’t scouted the players (and I mean watched them for entire matches over entire seasons) how can you go on and on about their value and how we NEED them? Come clean, tell us what you know. (Yes, it takes a bit longer and a little more effort than just screaming/moaning in disappointment…..) In truth, I watch Arsenal (every minute) and (some) other English footy (and thus can tell you that I favor Koscielny over Samba and Cahill and Scott Dann, for example, or Alex Song over Nigel de Jong….) and a bit of the other leagues, but probably not enough to declare that we NEED Yawn mmm’Vila or Ezequiel Lavezzi (and that’s he worth 10 or 20 or 30 million pounds and 100, 150, 200k/week…..) and that the former IS the new Vieira and the latter will combine with RVP for 50 goals.

    So, for me, I’m just trying to “keep it real,” while gathering (sifting through) the info that is out there. I guess that makes me an AKB, or a “bad” supporter for failing to protest the Arsenal greed. (Continuing to pay my satellite TV bill is like a rubber stamp for Kroenke, I guess….) And it’s not like I don’t get frustrated with the “constraints” and some of our crap players who get chance after chance after chance. For Stag (who, btw, I concur with re: Arshavin being history….) it’s (WAAY) too late and I just have to use my own “ignore poster” function. But CK? Well, I sure hope not…..

    • stag133 30 May, 2012 at 21:48 Log in to Reply

      @HighburyTerraceSteve, Last I checked, Arsenal have scouts, and the Wenger and the board’s JOB is to PUT THE BEST POSSIBLE TEAM on the field.
      If they by a player, I am usually VERY open minded as to whether its a good buy, or not.
      Once I’ve seen the player on the pitch for Arsenal, I can make a more fair assessment.
      So.
      If we do F*CK ALL… then yes, that utter bullshit… its greed… its ridiculous.

      You can love Song and Koscielny all you wish, but the FACT IS, our team is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
      That is UNDENIABLE.
      AND… unless we BUY PLAYERS to IMPROVE, we will NEVER WIN SHIT.
      That is UNDENIABLE.
      AND… when we sell our stars, make massive profit, and put it into the coffers of the club or into the pockets of the board, or wherever it goes, who knows?!
      THAT IS GREED… off the backs of the supporters.
      That is UNDENIABLE.

      so we have some undeniable facts, that yes… I simply can’t get around.

      Its the clubs job to go out, find players to improve the team, EVERY YEAR… and we have not been doing so… we’ve been SELLING our best players, and replacing with lesser players.
      And by the Ewing Theory, that’s somehow a good thing…

      HTS.
      If we actually did something to improve the team, and help keep a star, a captain here at the club…. then I’d actually show some optimism…
      I’d love to be excited about the upcoming season… but I’ve watched the same crap unfold for too many years running.

      Its NOT ACCEPTABLE… except to fools.

      • HighburyTerraceSteve 30 May, 2012 at 22:29 Log in to Reply

        @stag133,

        “If we actually did something to improve the team, and help keep a star, a captain here at the club…. then I’d actually show some optimism…
        I’d love to be excited about the upcoming season… but I’ve watched the same crap unfold for too many years running.”

        Alright, buddy, we shall see….

        Question? Would it be OK (by you) for a team to make zero profit
        but cover their costs? (Of course, this would mean accepting
        that we’re not financially competing with City and Chelsea, and
        maybe not even with teams like United and Liverpool and maybe
        even QPR)

        Also, the repeated (and repeated and repeated….) assertion
        about greed needs a bit of backing up. Obviously some bad
        decisions re: salaries have been made but they are going up
        (big time), esp. for star players. Cash from transfers out
        (and it’s not all cash….) maybe helps make up for the need
        to rewrite more lucrative contracts for our better players
        (even your current fave Theo Walcott)…. In other words we
        need a little more information to prove that it’s all
        going into Stan & Alisher’s pockets (along with overpaid
        board/CEO/manager types)…. At some point we also maybe need
        to ask if it’s OK for the owner(s) to make money? We’ve agreed
        in the past that it really isn’t and at that level you could
        pay a tiny percentage of your net worth to bring joy to the
        fans, but I think others would disagree….

        Anyhow, maybe some things to think about, you know, when not
        consumed by your lamentations…..

        • stag133 31 May, 2012 at 02:52

          @HighburyTerraceSteve, HTS.
          I am DYING to be excited about off season signings… I’ve been waiting for 5, 6, 7 years running.
          If we bring in players, YES… I am excited, because it has the potential to make the team better.
          If we do NOT, how the hell are we any better than before? players improve? not 17 points worth, and players get older as well…
          so… there is no status quo, you move forward or get left behind. Arsenal have been left in the dust.

          As I have stated… if you are an owner in professional sports… ANY sport… and are in it to make profit and become richer… GET THE EHELL OUT OF SPORTS OWNERSHIP. You are in the WRONG FIELD. Fans do not care about Billionaires getting richer. Why should we be?
          It can NOT be about making profit.

          Arsenal making more profits… than anyone… winning the “profit league”… is NOT FICTION.
          Its not made up…. its actual. its fact. its a f*cking disgrace, if you ask me, and you kind of are.

          Its NOT going into improving the team. That much is 1000% for sure.
          How many times have we sold star players for massive profit?
          How can you even question this?

          As a fan, why would you disagree with wanting the team to WIN… even if the owner loses money.
          Are you actually ROOTING for the owner to get RICHER? SERIOUSLY?
          who the hell cares about that? Why is Arsenal making money a GOOD THING for the fans?
          I’d LOVE us to break even, because we spent all the profits in the team.
          We do NOT re-invest in new players. That, again, is not even arguable.

          And because we OVER PAY in salaries…. to mediocre players… we can’t buy new players?
          Who’s fault is that? Its a terrible business model if that’s the case, and I HIGHLY doubt it is.

          I guess you should probably think about … what exactly would be unacceptable to you as a fan?
          Selling RVP to City for 40 Million, and then not re-investing that in a player of relative equal caliber?
          or would that once again, be just fine?
          What has to happen? a 9th place finish?

          something for you to chew on, when you are trying to figure out ways to rubber stamp the actions
          of Wenger, the Board, and the Arsenal FC, PLC, LLC Inc.

        • HighburyTerraceSteve 31 May, 2012 at 04:16

          @stag133, Wrong.

          You are so dead set on making me (and my ilk) out to be “the
          enemy” that you can’t even see where we agree….

          Sorry, but you have to go a little deeper, examine the actual
          finances, not the made up ones where transfers out MUST be
          spent on transfers in. And yes, players can improve with
          age, while others can go the opposite direction….Actually
          discussing the players themselves seems worthwhile, but hey,
          that’s just me….I could go on and on criticizing
          your approach but what’s the point? You’ve chosen this
          forum to spout (over and over and over) your various half-
          truths and the DAG won’t ban you, so there you go….

          Check CK’s response, by comparison, he actually WATCHES the
          games and (some) of the players to whom we are linked and
          doesn’t take everything at face value. For example, is there
          EVER a price (plus salary commitment) which is too high?
          My guess (for you) is NO!!! Pay it, let them compete, (then
          loan them out to Spurs). Living in a dream world is fine,
          but shouting at everybody else to do likewise seems over the top.
          Anyhow, it’s obviously too much too ask, so you will bleat on and
          on and on, ruining this perfectly fine forum in the process…..

          Hopefully it brings you joy or at least a remittance of the
          seemingly endless bitterness you feel towards the Arsenal.
          My guess is that it doesn’t and it won’t. All told, it
          seems pretty sad to me, esp. when City, Chelsea and the
          others are waiting for you with open arms….

        • stag133 31 May, 2012 at 16:36

          @HighburyTerraceSteve, Yes.
          you’re a better fan.
          that same tired refrain.
          If I don’t like what Arsenal is doing, I should support City or Chelsea.

          Well thought out indeed.

          And yes… I should be BANNED for saying what I believe.

          you are working with some brilliant material today.

          When we sell Cesc/Nasri/Clichy for what? 60 Million combined…
          then yes… the math tells me we should be able to spend that much
          as well…
          somehow it doesn’t work out that way… which is OK for you (and your ilk!)
          where if the club does some “good business”, we should all be excited and applaud!!
          yaaaaaaaaaaaay, Arsenal made money.

    • Caribkid 30 May, 2012 at 22:45 Log in to Reply

      @HighburyTerraceSteve,

      I’m actually being quite pragmatic. Looking on Kroenke’s body of work with his sport teams it’s fair to say that as long as they are financially successful and sell seats he is more than happy to maintain the status quo. His teams are also used as a base to get content for his burgeoning media interests and act as a base for real estate by owning the stadia/arenas and developing large retail/entertainment complexes.

      A few points here also:

      1) Kagawa plays mainly as an AM for Dortmund and is the 2nd highest point earner for them in terms of goals and assists. BTW. Kagawa is 17M Euros.

      2) Yes, I have seen Vertonghen play many times for both club and country. I have been following Ajax from the Cruyff days and do follow both the WC and Euros avidly.

      3) I have never been enthusiastic about paying 17M for M’Vila. Have always said I would prefer to get Vertongen for 10-11M because he plays LB and DM for Belgium and all three of those positions for Ajax. He also takes the majority of free kicks for both club and country and I rate him over TV.

      Also, I have a sneaky feeling that we are going to see Arsene go to 3 CB’s at some stage during next season. Conte, Pep and Martinez did it very successfully last year and imitation is the best form of flattery.

      • HighburyTerraceSteve 31 May, 2012 at 04:06 Log in to Reply

        @Caribkid, Very good, and I have
        no problem (at all) with your insights about the players at
        hand.

        Personally, I only know Kagawa a little and Vertonghen not at
        all so I can’t really say. Like I said, I think Ramsey learned
        a lot this past year but I question whether he can really
        contribute beyond being the “man with a motor” for a mid-table
        (or lower) team. Against Mexico the other day, he was pretty
        useless…..

        Clearly there’s a lot of faith, however, in him and Wilshere
        and Diaby, and it’s not very confidence inspiring. Rosicky
        is hurt again and has little pace and no left foot. Arteta
        is old too and Song (while better than De Jong, IMO) is, at
        best a serviceable MF, certainly not a field general. So,
        I agree that we need a character in the middle of the pitch,
        who can keep things ticking and (once in a while) put the team
        on his back. Cesc, as always, remains a huge guy to have lost…..

        Enough said about that. My feeling is that the RVP saga has
        more twists and turns and that some splashing (of the cash)
        will happen in attempting to keep him and replacing him if needed.
        Frankly I think he’ll stay but I wonder if that’s really
        for the best. In a way, management has lost the good will
        needed to take a contrarian approach so it would probably take
        super-silly money to prise him. The media furor will, no
        doubt, be massive, no matter what….And certain folks will be
        unhappy no matter what.

        Anyhow, I appreciate the informed opinion and the pragmatic
        approach….

  3. Caribkid 30 May, 2012 at 00:12 Log in to Reply

    Very low chance of getting Vertonghen. Arsenal was his preferred choice initially but they did not make a concrete offer for him while Tottenham did, but are 2M apart from Ajax’s evaluation.

    Can’t see us getting De Jong unless City get someone else as a replacement or converts Milner. He, Barry and Yaya are their only choices at DM and their preferred formation is a 4-2-3-1. Also, Mancini likes Yaya playing in the AM role whenever they are behind.

    With Kagawa, Siggurdson, Kalou and Hazzard gone, that leaves only Dembele out there with any quality. It appears once again we are going bargain basement shopping and will probably end up with some current underachiever with potential.

    We might as well bring back Bendtner, AA and Vela since we are shopping in that league anyway.

    This off season will definitely determine once and for all what our aspirations are, serious trophy contenders or CL qualification wannabees.

    GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

    • stag133 30 May, 2012 at 02:52 Log in to Reply

      @Caribkid, I think we already know what our aspirations are… the same as they have been for about 5 years…. C.A.$.H. = PROFIT = selling stars, and buying bargain basement leftovers.

      Of COURSE Vertonghen would rather play at Arsenal, and have CL matches on the big stage…
      but we DON’T GET IT, we don’t SPEND … we have no ambition to compete.
      its f*cking STUPIDITY and GREED.

      • Caribkid 30 May, 2012 at 03:19 Log in to Reply

        @stag133,

        I agree with you but that little 1% of optimism left in me is hoping I’m wrong. If we go bargain basement again I wonder which new explanation will be offered by Arsene and the AKB’s?

        • stag133 30 May, 2012 at 04:50

          @Caribkid, Carib, why will they need any new explanation? why does Arsene need to explain anything to anyone? he thinks the fans are IDIOTS… he was APPALLED when he was questioned 2 years ago at the AST members meeting…
          He doesn’t care what anyone thinks, he KNOWS he is right, and the rest of the footballing world are wrong…
          regardless of the results, or lack of results.

          So Wenger needs no excuses… he doesn’t care… and the followers will just say the same shit they have been saying for years… we don’t have the money, we can’t compete, spending large doesn’t mean you will win anything…
          they can point to Liverpool and say SEE… FAILURE!!!
          Even if ManCity and Chelsea won the big trophies… that’s not the “right way”…
          same shit, different Summer…

          I PRAY I am wrong, but we are already off to a BAD start to the Summer… Wenger already spewing shitty lines… M’Vila not signed…. we are rumored to be looking at players with half the talent, and half the price… and that means we will wait and watch and wait and watch… and then after the Euro’s…. oh, the prices are TOO HIGH… inflated by the tournament… we have “X” and “Y” coming back from injury, and they are like new signings…

  4. George 29 May, 2012 at 17:22 Log in to Reply

    Seeing as we are probably going to be beaten to Kagawa by Man United (V.Angry about this and still nothing about M’Vila, coulda sworn it was meant to be done by now, instead the media is talking about De Jong instead) does anyone think there could be a place for AA23 Next season? I think if Wenger actually played him in the right position for once behind the striker, his performance against Bolton was sensational, then I think he’s got a lot to offer. If were looking for someone to make something happen he can do that, he has the ability and if he is playing behind the striker he doesn’t have to do much of his hated defending

    • stag133 29 May, 2012 at 17:29 Log in to Reply

      @George, I would prefer we move on from Arshavin. We did better after he left, and Benayoun basically replaced him in the line-up.
      But if we sell RVP, then we’re going to be devoid of proven strikers…

      Forget about M’Vila, because it was all a smoke screen to appease the fans.
      We’ll be lucky to sign anyone of note.

      • George 29 May, 2012 at 17:38 Log in to Reply

        @stag133,
        But it weren’t the club who released info on M’Vila, it was YAMA and so you don’t believe the source then? I know Benayoun has replaced him but thats when we need a workhorse on the wing in big games, Im talking about someone providing creativity if we don’t sign Kagawa or anyone in an AM position (which is looking more and more likely) as we cant trust Diaby, we don’t want to rush Jack back in, Id like us to send Ramsey out on loan so that leaves only Rosicky as the mainstay with Jack providing cover

        • stag133 29 May, 2012 at 18:37

          @George, I don’t believe the source on Arsenal signing ANYONE.
          No.

          I simply don’t like Arshavin’s workrate… and the way he carries himself on the pitch.
          I don’t think that will change. He needed (needs) a fresh start, and maybe going back to Russia will work for him. I think he’s a talented offensive player, but not motivated.

          Kagawa is NOT in Arsenal’s plans. NO CHANCE on him.
          Diaby? really? forget about Diaby… he hasn’t played in 2 years, and will NEVER do anything at Arsneal… he’s been a complete waste of time. I wish him well, elsewhere.

          We desperately need an AM, DM, CB, FB… of a high quality level.
          But we are NOT willing to spend any kind of money on a proven commodity.

          So, instead, the club and its “moles” throw out smoke screens… that we’re onto Cahill, or Mata, or this year, its M’Vila… Vertonghen… etc.

          I believe NONE of it.
          We are NOT WILLING to compete with the big boys.
          Sometimes you are going to have to overpay for talent, and take a chance.
          There is NO GUARANTEE of anything. Any player can be a flop… or a star someplace else… and not so good when you get him…

          So, until then, we’re playing for PROFITS and praying for 3rd and 4th place finishes.

          That’s a great accomplishment for some folks… me, not really interested in Arsenal FC making massive profits off the fans, and not spending the money on the team.

    • Caribkid 30 May, 2012 at 00:16 Log in to Reply

      @George,

      Really pissed about Kagawa myself as it would have been a no brainer. Not often you get tye chance to acquire a young, proven, slick passing AM for 15M, especially since you would would earn back his salary from Asian kit sales.

      Guess our coach didn’t want to stop the growth of Ramsey.

  5. stag133 29 May, 2012 at 13:43 Log in to Reply

    Somehow United are going to sign Kagawa?
    HOW?
    the window doesn’t open until July 1st?!
    and they are about to go bankrupt!!
    LoL.

    Sorry. The window is unofficially OPEN, and Arsenal are doing their usual F-ALL in the Summer.

    • Ty 29 May, 2012 at 15:28 Log in to Reply

      @stag133, It isnt unofficially the players transfers at July 1st. Its like preordering something. And Kagawa will require a fee of rougly 15-20 mil pundsso I dont think ManU will go down because they are a profit making mashine

      • stag133 29 May, 2012 at 16:03 Log in to Reply

        @Ty, Ty.
        my comments are tongue in cheek… they are aimed at others who say the window isn’t open until July 1st, and that’s why Arsenal aren’t signing anyone.

        Also, there are folks on here who repeatedly say United are going to go bust…
        which I repeatedly REFUTE.

        so, my comments are JOKES aimed at those folks…

        • Ty 30 May, 2012 at 15:00

          @stag133, Its hard to read irony ^^

        • stag133 30 May, 2012 at 21:51

          @Ty, true. that’s why I’m explaining it.
          but those who’ve been here a bit longer, know that I’m having a go at the club.

  6. George 29 May, 2012 at 07:58 Log in to Reply

    Great, Transfer talks between Arsenal and Rennes have broken down over the transfer fee. Not sure whether I believe this or not but it sounds like the same old story, if we don’t get him someone else will and we need him. Grrr

    • Ty 29 May, 2012 at 15:24 Log in to Reply

      @George, Rennes is simply asking for a Kings Ransom right now because of the upcomming Euro.

      • George 29 May, 2012 at 16:29 Log in to Reply

        @Ty,
        Suppose, but if he has a good euros and we are asked to pay a much higher fee will we pay it?

        • stag133 29 May, 2012 at 17:34

          @George, You do business NOW.
          You don’t wait for the Euro’s…
          I doubt we were ever going after this guy, because he’s NOT going to come cheap now, or after the Euro’s regardless.
          When it comes time to PUT UP THE CASH, we back out every time…
          See CAHILL & MATA… who are both sporting CL and FA Cup medals…

          We’ll go for some cheaper version. And he’ll sign for team with ambition.
          If City sell us De Jong, then they don’t think very much of him at all.
          They don’t need the money, and if they think it would improve our team, they wouldn’t sell the player to us… they’ll sell him for LESS MONEY to a mid-table team like Fulham… or Sunderland or some other non-threat.

          The top teams do NOT sell players to rivals in their league. That = INSANITY.
          (we’ll probably sell RVP to City though)

        • George 29 May, 2012 at 17:40

          @stag133,
          But what if Rennes are holding out until after the euros so they get a larger fee?

  7. Ty 29 May, 2012 at 04:22 Log in to Reply

    @ stag You can sign a player whenevever
    you want if the current clubs approves of it and you reach an agrement over the transfere fee. The player can’t practice with the club or play for them till the opening of the transfer window.
    But I heard that illeagal thing so often on hear how can you not know this ?

    The theorie works in the short run but definetly not over a extendet period. I think that everyone at the club knows that Arsenal is two steps behind
    the competiton for a couple of years now and they will adress it (hopefully).

    And I know VP was sensational this year BUT I remind everyone he wasn’t healty EVER in his tenure and I don’t want a Club built on his shoulders.

    We cant compete with Billionaires so if Hazard and M’Villa end up at Chelsea that means a certain Abramovic opened his checkbook and no Club without a Sponsor will compete with that. If you can’t accept that then you don’t know european soccer economics.

    • stag133 29 May, 2012 at 13:41 Log in to Reply

      @Ty, Ty, I am aware that you can sign a player outside the window, I only mentioned it because someone else said:
      Arsenal aren’t doing any busy right now, because the window doesn’t open until July 1.
      (which I said was bullshite)

      We can sign just about any player we want… we have the money.
      We make more profit than any team in the world.
      We CAN COMPETE, the club choose NOT TO.

      You build a club around STAR PLAYERS, LIKE Van Persie.
      Not ON HIS SHOULDERS. He needs other complementary star players to win titles.
      You win NOTHING without stars in your team.
      (unless you consider 3rd place winning)

  8. DaAdminGooner 29 May, 2012 at 03:35 Log in to Reply

    1. I didn’t make the Ewing Theory up. It’s a legit theory in sports. So I didn’t make the Ewing analogy. And anyway, i didn’t mention that they win anything – the theory states that the team plays better without their star centre point and those Knick teams of which Ewing was part of played better as a team when he was injured, in foul trouble or otherwise in disposed.

    2. The Seattle Mariners I mentioned above went on to have the best record in baseball that year. And while the playoffs are different beast they were still the best team in baseball.

    3. Arsenal without Henry improved by 15 points the first year without Titi. They were the hands down favorite to win the title until the Eduardo incident and while the mentality was questioned, the fact that the team was better without Henry is undeniable. The team this season may have lacked the creativity of Fabregas/Nasri but as a team and as a unit they functioned better than they had with either them in the squad.

    The overall point is this – so what if Van Persie goes. Arsenal were here before him and will be here after him. Of course if they sell you want reinvestment which know hasn’t been the best in recent years. But thats not the point. The team can survive after it loses good players. It gives the opportunity for others to step up. And if we lose Van Persie so be it. Others will step up.

    • stag133 29 May, 2012 at 04:12 Log in to Reply

      @DaAdminGooner,
      The Knicks were SHIT before Ewing, and were NOT BETTER with him out of the line-up.
      Sorry. That’s RIDICULOUS.

      Seattle was NOT the best team in the league… because REGULAR SEASON in Baseball, means SHIT… what matters is WINNING THE WORLD SERIES… if memory serves me correct, they lost in the FIRST ROUND of the playoffs.

      And This years Arsenal, were NOT better without Cesc and Nasri. The League was weaker all around…

      Yes, if RVP goes… blah blah blah… and when WENGER GOES … the team will go on without him too!
      If we lose RVP, the team will again take another step BACK or SLIDE SIDEWAYS… when is enough of this shit enough?
      How many times do we have to sell the best player and/or Captain…??

      How that is OK with many folks… is a mystery… as is not winning anything for 7 years straight, and making the most profits in that time period as well.
      That is just GREED.

  9. stag133 28 May, 2012 at 22:31 Log in to Reply

    ummm… what did Seattle win after that great regular season?
    NOTHING.

    Star players WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. That’s why they are stars… when the game is on the line, they rise above the mediocrity, and take it to another level.

    What has Arsenal won after they sold Vieira… then Henry… Cesc & Nasri?
    The answer of course, is F*CK ALL.
    (except in Wenger’s world, where 3rd and 4th place are championships)

    As noted above, Ewing was a great player… who won at Georgetown, and almost dragged the Knicks to a few titles.

    It’s amazing… after RVP has such an incredible season… the player that the entire offense revolved around… scoring and setting up goals in large bountiful numbers, you get folks who say… yeah, sell him … we don’t need him!

    If we are shooting for 4th place again next year… sure, sell him and collect all that money… put it in the bank… and roll out a 3rd or 4th place hoping team next year… with new kits… and false hopes.

    Chelsea somehow managed to win both the FA Cup, and CL… and what are they doing? well… I know its NOT ALLOWED, but somehow they have signed Eden Hazard (before the July 1st window opens!)… and they are surely not done.

    What Will Arsenal Do?
    What the feck are we waiting for?
    the answers.
    NOT MUCH… and WHO KNOWS.

    So, while is a lovely theory, this “Ewing Theory”… it doesn’t hold any water.
    The RVP theory, that we’ll fall from the Top 4 if we lose him??
    Not sure… I would think we probably will…
    But even if we don’t… and we get 3rd or 4th again next year…. its FAILURE.
    LOSING RVP, means we are not winning shit…. again…
    we need to BUILD AROUND HIM, not jettison him to the Champions of the League, where he too can collect a medal and megabucks.

    When we start building around our stars and adding a few lesser stars to
    make our team title-competitive… it will be a great day.
    Until then… I’m not interested in theories.

    • George 29 May, 2012 at 07:35 Log in to Reply

      @stag133,
      Yes well we hardly rolled in the silverware when Cesc and Nasri were here did we? There star players that should’ve carried us to the title and “rose above the mediocrity” the same way RVP has done this season hmm?

      • stag133 30 May, 2012 at 21:53 Log in to Reply

        @George, George.
        You BUILD AROUND them.
        You don’t SELL THEM.
        If we had Cesc and Nasri, and added Gervinho and Arteta…
        wow… what might have been.

        Does that make any sense?

        Because we didn’t win with RVP this season, we should SELL HIM?
        and do what?
        Go with Bendtner up front? or Chamakh?
        what kind of sense is that?

  10. Caribkid 28 May, 2012 at 18:16 Log in to Reply

    @DAG,

    While I can understand the concept of that theory, using Ewing as an example is a poor one. At Georgetown he led them to 3 NCAA finals, winning one and only lost the other when Brown, a senior guard, made the most horrendous pass in final history.

    He also has two Olympic goal medals and carried the Knicks on his back to 3 NBA finals and 3 Eastern Conference finals. Since his departure the Knicks have tanked and have become the laughing stock of the NBA.

    The bigger problem here is having a super star and not putting the supporting cast around them. The Bulls did nothing with Michael Jordan until they got Scottie Pippen and the Lakers rebounded when they slotted in James worthy and Magic Johnson with an aging Kareem.

    Arsenal’s problems go even deeper as we have a consistent pattern in recent years of not replacing our world class players with like material. When you look at the world class players Arsene had at his disposal in the early days you could count, Anelka, Henry, Petit, Overmars, Bergkamp, Pires, Kanu, Viera, Adams, Cole, Campbell, Lehman, Seaman,etc. Since that time, only Cesc and RVP could be put in that category.

    Henry and Cesc left because too much pressure was being put on them without adequate support and RVP (I hope not) will probably do the same. Squillacci, Sylvestre, Bendtner, Denilson, Walcott, etc could not even command a squad position on our previous teams.

    This transfer season will determine whether Kroenke and Arsene want’s to restore us to previous glory or whether we will become just another middle of pack, underachieving team like the Denver nuggets.

    • HighburyTerraceSteve 28 May, 2012 at 19:41 Log in to Reply

      @Caribkid, The only sport I follow (these)
      days is the footy, but I was a GS Warriors supporter back when we traded
      Webber for Guggliotta and then picked up Donyell Marshall to “round” out
      the team. Soon after, disgusted by this turn of events, I stopped (being
      a supporter, with no regrets; disgruntled Arsenal supporters, might try
      likewise)…..

      I think it’s different in basketball, where it’s only 5 playing at any one
      time and a squad of 8 (getting real minutes) can do a playoff run (witness
      Detroit in the early 90s). Also, my favorite hoops player (of all time, and very likely
      one of the reasons for the ridiculous tattoos sported by players in ALL
      sports….) Dennis Rodman, was an huge addition to the Bulls during Jordan’s
      (1st) comeback…..

      Another reason the BBall analogy doesn’t work, I think, is that it’s a less
      dangerous sport with far more aggressive refereeing. Players, esp. the best
      ones are protected by the refs and don’t have big injuries nearly as often.
      Careers are longer and individual dominance is more pronounced.

      So, with that being said, I think that if RVP wants out AND we reinvest
      what we get for selling him NOW (before he hurts himself at the Euros….)
      we should do it. The top players and the money-pit teams have absurd power
      (at the moment) and it’s better to let them do their thing and take a
      contrarian approach.

      I just watched “Moneyball” last night and that final scene with John Henry
      (Liverpool/Red Sox owner) was very interesting. Now that he’s not
      following Dalglish’s “buy British/pay too much” philosophy, it will be
      intriguing the new direction they take. If Martinez takes over I wonder if
      a 2nd wave of Spanish (and Spanish speaking) players will be coming
      to Anfield (Rafa Benitez’ boys, being the first)….

      While AW is in charge we might want to re-explore the Francophone Filosophy
      which Alan Pardew has somehow managed to usurp at Newcastle. The Ba boys,
      Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote….we could poach ANY of them to good
      effect….Combine that with Giroud, M’Vila and/or the like if RVP fecks off to
      City (they would need to pay WAY above market, of course….) and Arsenal
      might (as you say) be able to play up to their potential….

  11. Joelio 28 May, 2012 at 15:25 Log in to Reply

    Interesting point, but I don’t think it applies universally. Yes the team needs Arteta almost just as much, but that’s not evidence that RvP is expendable. We’re not talking about Donyell Marshall here! RvP is one of the best 5 strikers in the world, and the best in England. We funnel our play through him because no one else can score goals.

    It’d be foolish to sell RvP one season after losing Fabregas. Ramsey and Rosicky struggled all year in Fab’s playmaking role. Who can step up and be the main finisher? Chamakh? There is a good case to keep RvP even if he doesn’t extend his contract.

    RvP is 29 years old. He will be 30 when his contract runs out. If all he wants is one giant final payday, he will have to play very well next season to earn it. He has so many lingering injury concerns that he would need another amazing, and healthy, season to get the pay raise he wants. I am confident RvP will stay for at least one more season, and that we will be a better team for it.

  12. Tom 28 May, 2012 at 14:00 Log in to Reply

    Great article! I’ve been thinking along these lines myself recently – didn’t realise there was a whole theory to back it up!
    I’m actually one of those people who think we should sell RVP this season instead of losing him for nothing next year. As we’ve seen with Henry and Fabregas, keeping an unsettled player only accelerates the effects of this Ewing Theory and I’d rather we got 25m for him now and buy two class players or one world class player with that money. Our teamwork you’ve been talking about will disappear if another transfer saga comes along. I still believe in Wenger and I think its time we tried to revamp our squad. So much dead wood to get rid of and so many exciting prospects to bring in. COYG

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